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America West & The A318

Wed Mar 23, 2005 3:11 am

I was reading a recent "Aircraft Value Review" on the A318 and the outlook for residual values of this airplane. What I found interesting was the following quote;

America West [AWA] is the latest customer to indicate that it will not take the 15 aircraft that Airbus still lists as being on order. The engine manufacturer is now seeking to secure placement with the 15 A318s ordered by Iberia as part of the carrier's order for 76 A320 family memeber. Unfortunately,Iberia already operates a fleet of A320s powered by the competing CFM56

As I understood, HP have the right to outright cancel the A318 under certain conditions. I have not heard anything or seen any Public announcement by HP on this. Have they publicly indicated that they won't take the A318s? Also, I assume the engine manufacturer mentioned is PW, correct?

Any update on HPs intention with regard to the A318 would be appreciated.

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RE: America West & The A318

Wed Mar 23, 2005 3:18 am

The orders were converted to A320s and A319s, I believe. Essentially, they have stated outright that they will not take the A318, but I do not think that they had to cancel the order all together.
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RE: America West & The A318

Wed Mar 23, 2005 3:21 am

Is HP still looking for more 757?
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RE: America West & The A318

Wed Mar 23, 2005 3:24 am

In below link you will find a press release stating America West's cancellation of the A318. More specifically it's the following sentence:

"In the context of this incremental order, America West also secured extensive flexibility from Airbus with respect to its existing A318 order, allowing the airline to better react to market conditions by enabling it to amend its 15 A318 delivery positions to A319s and A320s, if it so desires, or to no additional aircraft under certain conditions."

The link:

http://www.shareholder.com/americawe...ReleaseDetail.cfm?ReleaseID=153789

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RE: America West & The A318

Wed Mar 23, 2005 3:27 am

Reading the press release more carefully, it says America West has amended the A318 order in favour of more A320/319 aircraft. So it's not a real cancellation. HZ747300 is right Big grin

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RE: America West & The A318

Wed Mar 23, 2005 8:50 am

Quoting A388 (Reply 4):
Reading the press release more carefully, it says America West has amended the A318 order in favour of more A320/319 aircraft. So it's not a real cancellation. HZ747300 is right

Thank you for the replies. I had seen this press release and until I read the other article today I had not seen any other reports. I had assumed HP had renegotiated the order but had not made a final decision on what to do. Which is why I asked and if you'll permit, one more question.

Have HP actually confirmed how many of the A318s have been converted to A319/320 series yet, if any? Or, have they actually confirmed they'll cancel the A318 outright? I assume they must have done one or the other given the engine manufacturer is reportedly seeking to place what was for HP. However I have not seen any further announcement from HP, yet.

Again, thanks for the info

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RE: America West & The A318

Wed Mar 23, 2005 9:03 am

Quoting PANAM_DC10 (Reply 5):
Have HP actually confirmed how many of the A318s have been converted to A319/320 series yet, if any? Or, have they actually confirmed they'll cancel the A318 outright?

All of the A318s have been converted or canceled

Quoting PANAM_DC10 (Reply 5):
I assume they must have done one or the other given the engine manufacturer is reportedly seeking to place what was for HP

HP ordered their A318s with the PW6000, which has basically failed in every respect possible. The reason for that order was the fact that they already had the related IAE V2500 on their A32S planes and that the PW6000 was supposed to be significantly more efficient on the A318 than the CFM56 (certainly efficient enough to make the A318 more competitive). This is the same reason BA dumped their A318 orders.
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RE: America West & The A318

Wed Mar 23, 2005 9:10 am

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RE: America West & The A318

Wed Mar 23, 2005 9:18 am

With the changing airline economics it is unlikely you will see many orders for this type of aircraft, for that matter the same can be said of the 736. It's interesting to see the debate over at Continental over the fate of the 735 and relate it to the A318 and 736. The only clear benefit these 100 seat airliners have is fleet commonality within their respective families. Given the present seat mile cost airlines will more than likely opt for the larger but almost equal cost A319 and 73G. In the case of HP, it can already serve smaller markets and thin routes with the 86 seat CRJ-900, or upgrade the equipment to the 122 seat A319 if demand warrants. Having an aircraft in the middle is pointless and costly.
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RE: America West & The A318

Wed Mar 23, 2005 3:19 pm

Quoting 737-990 (Reply 8):
Having an aircraft in the middle is pointless and costly.

Not if its a 717!! Big grin

Sorry, couldn't resist. The E190 would fill that gap in capacity nicely as well, and has commonality with the E170 70-seater.