Orion737
Topic Author
Posts: 3044
Joined: Sat Jan 08, 2005 10:14 pm

UK Charter Airlines Tour Operating Arms

Thu Mar 24, 2005 10:31 pm

Now BY is called Thomson and AMM is FCA it isnt hard to work out which tour operator uses which airlines but in days gone by I remember these:

Air Europe - Intasun

Orion Airways -Horizon and Wings

Laker Airways - Arrowsmith

Air 2000 - Owners Abroad group (Enterprise, Falcon)

Caledonian - Inspirations

Monarch - Cosmos

Airworld - Sunworld

Air UK Leisure - Unijet

Flying Colours - Sunset
 
Demoose
Posts: 1891
Joined: Thu Mar 08, 2001 8:06 am

RE: UK Charter Airlines Tour Operating Arms

Thu Mar 24, 2005 10:35 pm

Wot about these:

Excalibur - ?

Peach Air - ?

Virgin Sun - Virgin Holidays?

And of course we used to have good old Airtours International, now MyTravel Airways.

Mark
Take a ride...fly across the sky
 
Orion737
Topic Author
Posts: 3044
Joined: Sat Jan 08, 2005 10:14 pm

RE: UK Charter Airlines Tour Operating Arms

Thu Mar 24, 2005 10:38 pm

Yes wasnt it colourful then and interesting. Now we have Thomson, MYT, TCX and FCA and they take nearly all the charter traffic. Very boring and very poor choice for the consumer who have to put up with paying for meals and appaling service.

It was different in my day, tha knows, in the good old 1980s.
 
diesel1
Posts: 1482
Joined: Sat Mar 10, 2001 9:11 am

RE: UK Charter Airlines Tour Operating Arms

Thu Mar 24, 2005 11:36 pm

Monarch are still linked to Cosmos aren't they - at least via a common ownership?

Excalibur was bought by Globespan, and very promptly screwed up. The A320s were gone, and the DC-10s used were chartered in.

Peach Air wasn't linked to a tour operator, but a seat broker - Goldscrest (?)

You can add...

Inter European Airways operating for Aspro
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Pedro Aragão


Airways International Cymru operating for Red Dragon Travel
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Guido Allieri - Italy


Ambassador operating for Best Travel
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Pedro Aragão


Princess Air operating for Burston
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Pedro Aragão



I'm sure there are more...

Another current one would be Palmair operating for Bath Travel, although they don't operate as an airline in their own right, damp leasing instead.
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Miguel Nóbrega - Madeira Spotters


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Luis Rosa

I don't like signatures...
 
UK_Dispatcher
Posts: 2254
Joined: Fri Dec 21, 2001 8:44 pm

RE: UK Charter Airlines Tour Operating Arms

Fri Mar 25, 2005 12:37 am

Intasun used Dan Air for most of their flights out of NCL & MME.

I flew on DA 737-200 G-ILFC in 1988 MME-AGP. I was only 8, but still have a photo with the reg on! There was also a British Midland 737-200 EI-BTD in the background - now thats what I call a rarity!

Was nice to see a pic of that Princess Air BAe 146 too. I saw one of those in AGP in 1990, when we'd just flown in with UKL (yes, on a Unijet flight-only).
 
Demoose
Posts: 1891
Joined: Thu Mar 08, 2001 8:06 am

RE: UK Charter Airlines Tour Operating Arms

Fri Mar 25, 2005 12:59 am

The best photo I have is when I was about 2 years old, at Corfu airport infront of a 737-200, G-BADP, in the really really old livery about to take me home to Manchester. In the background there is a BY 767-200 - must have been very new as the photo was taken in summer 1986.

Mark
Take a ride...fly across the sky
 
bananaboy
Posts: 1469
Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2004 6:58 am

RE: UK Charter Airlines Tour Operating Arms

Fri Mar 25, 2005 12:59 am

Peach Air was linked with Inspirations and was apparently the "low cost" arm of Caledonian.

(Can you "low cost" a charter?)

Also, what about the likes of Yugotours and JAT (not a UK charter airline I know..), and Aviogenex? Who were they?

Mark
All my life, I've been kissing, your top lip 'cause your bottom one's missing
 
SignalOne
Posts: 552
Joined: Thu Mar 03, 2005 2:13 am

RE: UK Charter Airlines Tour Operating Arms

Fri Mar 25, 2005 12:59 am

Hi there,

Quoting Diesel1 (Reply 3):
Monarch are still linked to Cosmos aren't they - at least via a common ownership?

Monarch Airlines are still the in-house Airline of Cosmos Holidays.





JMCair, where the in-house operator for JMC holidays. (JMC=John.Mason.Cook) son of Thomas Cook. JMC holidays still exist, but ThomasCook Airlines of course replaced JMCair.



You can read about the start of JMC here: JMC, how it all started in 1999

Simon Vincent, who revived the JMC name, to offer a new Package Holiday experience.


Hope this helps  Wink

Regards, Ryan
SIGNALONE  Smile
Golf - Bravo Romeo India Foxtrot
 
Leej
Posts: 292
Joined: Fri Apr 20, 2001 10:39 pm

RE: UK Charter Airlines Tour Operating Arms

Fri Mar 25, 2005 1:00 am

Don't forget British Caledonian and Blue Sky Holidays - me and my family were regular patrons back in the 70's & 80's!
I remember once flying Gatwick to Naples on a 1-11 - I seem to remember sitting in the middle but with rearward facing seats. The return flight for some reason was overweight so we had to stop at CDG on the way back. Ah the good old days....
I think Dan-Air used to do a lot of flying for Thomson too. Back in 78 we went to Venice - there was an ATC strike by the French, we had all night at the terminal at Marco Polo waiting to get home...not nice.
 
bananaboy
Posts: 1469
Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2004 6:58 am

RE: UK Charter Airlines Tour Operating Arms

Fri Mar 25, 2005 1:01 am

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eneral_aviation/read.main/2020095/

Aviogenex.. how bizarre.

jmc air - didn't that stand for "just marketing crap?"
 bouncy 


Mark
All my life, I've been kissing, your top lip 'cause your bottom one's missing
 
SignalOne
Posts: 552
Joined: Thu Mar 03, 2005 2:13 am

RE: UK Charter Airlines Tour Operating Arms

Fri Mar 25, 2005 1:09 am

Quoting BananaBoY (Reply 9):
jmc air - didn't that stand for "just marketing crap?"

I doubt it, as they were not a marketing company   Big grin

John Mason Cook 1834-1899, The JMC group was formed 100 years after he died.

Thomas Cook 1808-1892

SIGNALONE  

[Edited 2005-03-24 17:10:11]

[Edited 2005-03-24 17:10:41]
Golf - Bravo Romeo India Foxtrot
 
diesel1
Posts: 1482
Joined: Sat Mar 10, 2001 9:11 am

RE: UK Charter Airlines Tour Operating Arms

Fri Mar 25, 2005 1:18 am

Dan Air was an independant airline, with no links to any tour operator - and as such doesn't really have any place in the discussion...

JAT was the state airline of Yugoslavia, and Aviogenex an independant operator - Yugotours would have been a UK company to take holidaymakers to Yugoslavia so they wouldn't have been directly linked.

Hmmm... I remember the Yugotours holiday brochures - always worth getting....
I don't like signatures...
 
bananaboy
Posts: 1469
Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2004 6:58 am

RE: UK Charter Airlines Tour Operating Arms

Fri Mar 25, 2005 1:39 am

Quoting SignalOne (Reply 10):
Quoting BananaBoY (Reply 9):
jmc air - didn't that stand for "just marketing crap?"

I doubt it, as they were not a marketing company

No, but that was a viscious rumour told to me by a member of staff from Thomas Cook! hehe Their words..." all marketing crap and nothing's changed."

Still, I hear TUI stands for "Tits-Up International." Big grin

Mark
All my life, I've been kissing, your top lip 'cause your bottom one's missing
 
SignalOne
Posts: 552
Joined: Thu Mar 03, 2005 2:13 am

RE: UK Charter Airlines Tour Operating Arms

Fri Mar 25, 2005 1:51 am

Did you lot know that the name Airtours came from the initials of
Albert + Ivy Roberts?

Which forms A.I.RTOURS. Airtours also originally was known as "Pendle Airtours" which came from the groups founder David Crossland taking over "Pendle Travel Group". Later the group was known as just Airtours Holidays.

David Crossland

Blimey, he must of been gutted to leave the group which he created from scratch in 2003.

Read about David Crossland leaving MyTravel here!

Regards, Ryan
SIGNALONE  bigthumbsup 
Golf - Bravo Romeo India Foxtrot
 
bananaboy
Posts: 1469
Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2004 6:58 am

RE: UK Charter Airlines Tour Operating Arms

Fri Mar 25, 2005 1:57 am

Were British Airtours linked to a tour op.. possibly "Poundstretcher?" which later turned into British Airways Holidays, much more upmarket.

This would have been before British Airtours were turned into Caledonian, and later sold to Inspirations.

Mark
All my life, I've been kissing, your top lip 'cause your bottom one's missing
 
jmc757
Posts: 1205
Joined: Thu Mar 09, 2000 3:36 am

RE: UK Charter Airlines Tour Operating Arms

Fri Mar 25, 2005 3:23 am

Quoting SignalOne (Reply 7):
Monarch Airlines are still the in-house Airline of Cosmos Holidays

They are not 'in-house' as Thomas Cook, First Choice etc... Monarch are not owned by Cosmos, although the same group do have ownership in both companies, they are more 'sister companies'. Monarch still operate a lot of Cosmos flights, but this is decreasing year by year as Monarch are getting more into the schedueld size of things.

Oh, and JMC... actually stood for Just More Crap (the tour operating arm). Or even heard Just Might Crash....!
 
CalAir
Posts: 292
Joined: Mon Apr 04, 2005 10:15 am

RE: UK Charter Airlines Tour Operating Arms

Wed Apr 06, 2005 9:34 pm

Well, as my name suggests, we booked with Rank Travel back in 1988 and flew MAN-PMI with Cal Air International, who were the charter arm of BCal. I heard that it was originally called BCA Charter, but people got confused between BCAL scheduled and charter, so they renamed the charter division, keeping the lion, but turning her red instead with a red sash from nose to tail with CAL AIR in billboard titles. They became Novair in 1988, but they didnt last long. Not linked to Novair of sweden.


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Frank C. Duarte Jr.

British Caledonian...we never forget, you have a choice
 
BCAL
Posts: 2925
Joined: Mon Jun 28, 2004 10:16 pm

RE: UK Charter Airlines Tour Operating Arms

Wed Apr 06, 2005 9:50 pm

Quoting CalAir (Reply 16):
Cal Air International, who were the charter arm of BCal.

Not quite correct, CalAir was jointly owned by British Caledonian and the Rank Organisation. BCal did previously have their own charter arm, BCal Charter, but when Rank became joint owner the name was rebranded as CalAir. When BCal was brought by BA, Rank was left on their own and this is when it became Novair. It was not long before Rank pulled out completely which is why Novair was short lived.
MOL on SRB's latest attack at BA: "It's like a little Chihuahua barking at a dying Labrador. Nobody cares."
 
aireuropeuk733
Posts: 944
Joined: Fri Apr 02, 2004 7:33 pm

RE: UK Charter Airlines Tour Operating Arms

Wed Apr 06, 2005 9:51 pm

I also remember Inex-Adria Airways of Yugoslavia (now Adria Airways the state airline of Slovenia), as I flew with them on holiday in the late 80's.

There was also Paramount Airlines, Airworld, and Cal Air International changed its name after The Rank Organisation bought out BCal and renamed to Novair.

It then went bust!

There was also Universair (operated into Bournmouth for 1 season)

What about Hispania, Aviaco and Spantax from Spain that operated charters

Air Europe (or ILG) also helped form Air Europa (in Spain) and Air Europe SpA (in Italy), they also bought Norway Airlines and re-named them Air Europe Norway and were well on the way to creating "Airlines of Europe", when they went bust. Were they well ahead of the game considering what has happened with the consolidations of TUI and Thomas Cook around Europe?

Just my £0.02

AE733
It's nice to fly with friends
 
BCAL
Posts: 2925
Joined: Mon Jun 28, 2004 10:16 pm

RE: UK Charter Airlines Tour Operating Arms

Wed Apr 06, 2005 10:33 pm

Nobody seems to have yet mentioned Excel whose tour operating arm is Aspire Holidays and their flight-only arm Freedom Flights.

Of course, Excel started as Sabre and was an airline formed to provide flights for the smaller and independent tour operators who did not have enough capacity to fill their own aircraft or operate their own in-house airline.

Dan Air was another airline that operated flights for smaller and independent operators and they went on to become a schedule airline. Monarch seems to be the most common airline operating for different tour operators these days.

I used to avoid using tour operators who used airlines in the 1970/80s such as Spantax, Aviaco etc. Strangely enough, it was the flight information pages of holiday brochures that I looked at first and then decided where I would go on holiday. Nowadays you are lucky to find out from the brochures who will be operating the flight!
MOL on SRB's latest attack at BA: "It's like a little Chihuahua barking at a dying Labrador. Nobody cares."
 
Orion737
Topic Author
Posts: 3044
Joined: Sat Jan 08, 2005 10:14 pm

RE: UK Charter Airlines Tour Operating Arms

Wed Apr 06, 2005 11:17 pm

Some more old charter carriers Ive flown with: Ambassador, AmberAir and the Spanish chater airlines Viva, Oasis, Universair and Nortjet.
 
Jmc777
Posts: 212
Joined: Sun Apr 02, 2000 3:07 am

RE: UK Charter Airlines Tour Operating Arms

Wed Apr 06, 2005 11:17 pm

Actually,

i think you will find that JMC stood for .......

Just Murdered Caledonian

 Silly
 
aireuropeuk733
Posts: 944
Joined: Fri Apr 02, 2004 7:33 pm

RE: UK Charter Airlines Tour Operating Arms

Wed Apr 06, 2005 11:37 pm

As this is my kind of topic (thanks Orion733) thought the below would let us wallow in some unashamed nostaligia:


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Joan Martorell




View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Frank C. Duarte Jr.




View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Pedro Aragão




View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Frank C. Duarte Jr.




View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Mick Bajcar




View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Pedro Aragão



AE733
It's nice to fly with friends
 
Jmc777
Posts: 212
Joined: Sun Apr 02, 2000 3:07 am

RE: UK Charter Airlines Tour Operating Arms

Thu Apr 07, 2005 12:58 am

Whilst being nostalgic. . . . . . .


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Mick Bajcar
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Steve Williams




View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Keith Blincow
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Erik Frikke



 Smile
 
ThomasCook
Posts: 677
Joined: Sun Aug 22, 2004 12:43 am

RE: UK Charter Airlines Tour Operating Arms

Thu Apr 07, 2005 1:53 am

Hi,

MyTravel Airways' main Tour Operating arms in the UK are:

Airtours Holidays
Aspro Holidays
Direct Holidays UK & Ireland
Direct Greece
Panorama Holidays UK & Ireland
Manos Holidays
Escapades Holidays



View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Stewart Andrew



...and in Scandinavia for MyTravel Airways A/S are:

Always
Bridge
Gate Eleven
Globetrotter
Gullivers
Saga
Seereisen
Skibby
Spies
Tjaereborg
Trivsel
Ving


Regards
ThomasCook
A380 Crew
 
CalAir
Posts: 292
Joined: Mon Apr 04, 2005 10:15 am

RE: UK Charter Airlines Tour Operating Arms

Thu Apr 07, 2005 3:10 am

Quoting BCAL (Reply 17):

My sincere apologies BCAL, I was working on info provided by my dad, and he wasnt too far off the mark, I suppose I could have explained myself better! On another note, that flight was quite eventful. We were beginning decent over Barcelona when we turned around and were heading back to the UK! We were losing hydraulic fluid, but they didnt know where from, and they said it was better to go back to the UK than land at PMI where they were not as well eqiupped to deal with an emergency landing of a DC-10 as they were in England. So we made an emergency landing at either LTN or LGW, cant remember which, and we were there for about 6 or 7 hours then we left on the same plane again! Scary stuff! This is all 2nd hand mind as I was only 8!
British Caledonian...we never forget, you have a choice
 
BCAL
Posts: 2925
Joined: Mon Jun 28, 2004 10:16 pm

RE: UK Charter Airlines Tour Operating Arms

Thu Apr 07, 2005 6:45 am

@CalAir

No apology is called for as one of the benefits of a.net is sharing information with fellow members. I am often corrected too!

Must have been quite a shaky experience to return to UK when you have almost reached your destination knowing there was something wrong with the plane. I would probably have freaked out by the time we approached LGW. I think it must have been LGW since there was no engineering base at LTN. PMI must have been able to deal with an emergency landing or they would not have an operating licence. The pilot's concern was probably more on who would fix the plane if it landed at PMI. They could not expect much help from Iberia if they landed so BCal's engineers would probably have to be flown out from base and then they would face the problem as to how to fix the hydraulics without any maintenance facilities or spares at PMI.

Just my .02p!
MOL on SRB's latest attack at BA: "It's like a little Chihuahua barking at a dying Labrador. Nobody cares."
 
diesel1
Posts: 1482
Joined: Sat Mar 10, 2001 9:11 am

RE: UK Charter Airlines Tour Operating Arms

Thu Apr 07, 2005 6:46 am

Quoting AirEuropeUK733 (Reply 18):
Cal Air International changed its name after The Rank Organisation bought out BCal and renamed to Novair.

It then went bust!

Never went bust... simply wound up its operations.

And thanks to JMC777 who reminds me of another tour operator/airline link...

Court Line / Court Line
I don't like signatures...
 
BCAL
Posts: 2925
Joined: Mon Jun 28, 2004 10:16 pm

RE: UK Charter Airlines Tour Operating Arms

Thu Apr 07, 2005 6:59 am

British Island Airways operated many charter flights


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Michel Gilliand



I flew them once from PMI to LGW when booked on a Laker holiday. Was BIA the 'in house' airline of any tour operator or did they simply operate charter flights for independent and the smaller tour companies?
MOL on SRB's latest attack at BA: "It's like a little Chihuahua barking at a dying Labrador. Nobody cares."
 
diesel1
Posts: 1482
Joined: Sat Mar 10, 2001 9:11 am

RE: UK Charter Airlines Tour Operating Arms

Thu Apr 07, 2005 7:07 am

BIA was independant, though I'm sure that ultimately they had a tour operation... Island Sun maybe?...
I don't like signatures...
 
aireuropeuk733
Posts: 944
Joined: Fri Apr 02, 2004 7:33 pm

RE: UK Charter Airlines Tour Operating Arms

Thu Apr 07, 2005 7:22 pm

Deisel1

Quoting Diesel1 (Reply 27):
Never went bust... simply wound up its operations.

I stand corrected - thanks for the info

AE733
It's nice to fly with friends
 
whitehatter
Posts: 5180
Joined: Sat Jun 12, 2004 6:52 am

RE: UK Charter Airlines Tour Operating Arms

Thu Apr 07, 2005 8:09 pm

Dan-Air did have a tour linkup.

Thomas Cook financed the purchase of Dan-Air's first couple of 732 aircraft, which operated exclusively for them.

As for Court Line, they were the owners of a travel company called Clarksons which was basically a huge ponzi scheme. Holidays were sold at a loss to build the brand, in the hope that customer loyalty down the line would sell huge numbers of packages at higher prices and therefore at a profit. When Clarksons started to have money problems, Court bought them out and the whole mess brought Court down with it.

Laker Airways also operated for a travel company called Lord Brothers, and Freddie eventually bought the brand out after hubris by the owners gave them liquidity problems.

Two other names, long gone, are BEA Airtours and British Airtours. Both tied to BA Holidays or its predecessors.
Lead me not into temptation, I can find my own way there...
 
BCAL
Posts: 2925
Joined: Mon Jun 28, 2004 10:16 pm

RE: UK Charter Airlines Tour Operating Arms

Thu Apr 07, 2005 8:35 pm

WhiteHatter

May I just add to your excellent reply:

As regards Thomas Cook and the DA 737s, seeing at the time that other tour operators were using modern aircraft (Britannia with their 737s, Monarch and AirEurope with their 757s) the Dan-Air fleet of 1-11s etc was becoming ancient. People on inclusive-tours were becoming accustomed to higher standards. Thomas Cook informed Dan Air that they must invest in more modern aircraft, so that is why they helped with the finance. I also think that at the time Thomas Cook was owned by Midland Bank (now HSBC Bank), so they were in the financial markets to help.

I remember Court Line's collapse well and it did bring about a change in the inclusive tour market. It was when thousands of holiday makers were stranded on the continent without flights to bring them home. Some hoteliers also kept Clarkson's guests in their rooms over unpaid bills. The collapse of Court Line lead to the Government introducing a levy whereby a small percentage of the cost of the holiday went into a fund which would protect stranded holiday makers in the event of other tour companies collapsing. Not sure what happened to the fund!

Laker did take over Lord Brothers (and I think the takeover of Arrowsmith was at the same time). Lord Brothers was rebranded as Laker Holidays.

BEA had two tour operating arms - Sovereign and Enterprise. Sovereign used scheduled flights but Enterprise used mainly charter flights, normally with BEA Airtours and then British Airtours.

[Edited 2005-04-07 13:38:36]
MOL on SRB's latest attack at BA: "It's like a little Chihuahua barking at a dying Labrador. Nobody cares."
 
Orion737
Topic Author
Posts: 3044
Joined: Sat Jan 08, 2005 10:14 pm

RE: UK Charter Airlines Tour Operating Arms

Thu Apr 07, 2005 9:03 pm

Soverign and Enterprise were part of the Owners Abroad group and latterly used Air 2000 before Owners was rebranded First Choice and Enterprise and Falcon brands dropped but the 'elite' brand Soverign retained.
 
diesel1
Posts: 1482
Joined: Sat Mar 10, 2001 9:11 am

RE: UK Charter Airlines Tour Operating Arms

Thu Apr 07, 2005 10:10 pm

BCAL I remember being at MAH not long after Court Line had failed (that probably qualifies me for one of these...  old ...) and there being a fair number of Dan Air aircraft there... wondered whether they were replacing the Court Line aircraft.

White Hatter is right about Dan Air's links to tour operators like Thomas Cook, though this is not the same as being a 'tour operating arm' as in the thread title - another aircraft was this one
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Stephen J Muscat



I remember reading that the 'NROA' in the registration stood for the initials of a couple of guys 'N' & 'R' at Owners Abroad who were contracting the capacity on the 727.

Britannia has also been mentioned as the airline for Thomson Holidays, but following in the same vein as the Dan Air discussion, this 737 (G-OSLA) was operated by Britannia on behalf of OSL Holidays.
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Eduard Marmet

I don't like signatures...
 
BCAL
Posts: 2925
Joined: Mon Jun 28, 2004 10:16 pm

RE: UK Charter Airlines Tour Operating Arms

Thu Apr 07, 2005 10:12 pm

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 33):
Soverign and Enterprise were part of the Owners Abroad group

BA eventually sold its tour operating division to Owners Abroad, and that is why Sovereign and Enterprise (both founded by BEA) became part of the Owners Abroad Group. Owners Abroad started off as an operator who arranged flights for UK residents owning property abroad, hence the name. They have come a long way since then.
MOL on SRB's latest attack at BA: "It's like a little Chihuahua barking at a dying Labrador. Nobody cares."