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Order News/A3XX Launch, USAir 717s

Thu Apr 06, 2000 4:47 am

The following has been taken from Jane's Transportation Magazine. Jane's is a Worldwide Military/Civilian Aviation authority.

Continental Airlines Buyback

Continental Airlines will attempt to buyback a controlling stake held in the company by Northwest Airlines. The two sides have been in talks for sometime but Northwest, which holds 51% of Continental's A shares, is unlikely to give up the stake in the near future. Continental has proposed the buyback in a drive to simplify its equity structure.Northwest purchased its 51% share of the A shares from Air Partners in a deal costing the carrier $519m in 1998. Continental's independence was preserved by limitations on Northwest's voting powers. But the US Justice Department has filed a lawsuit which charges that the transaction was anti-competitive. Both parties work together in an existing alliance. Minnesota-based Northwest and Continental, which is headquartered in Houston, Texas, are the US's fourth and fifth largest carriers.

Cathay Pacific to Split Order, No one interested in A3XX

Sources say Cathay Pacific will split an order for B777s, A340-600s and possibly -500s. The size of the order has not been formalised. Separately, Cathay Pacific is said to be one of a number of carriers including Air France, Japan Air Lines, Lufthansa, British Airways, Singapore Airlines and All Nippon Airways, which have apparently given Airbus the thumbs down on its proposed A3XX jumbo. Sources say that taking a pass on being a launch customer does not preclude ordering the jumbo once it goes into production.

US Airways Looking?

A market source says that Boeing is making a third trip to US Airways this week, pitching the B-717. Boeing is said to be amenable to taking trade-ins on the carrier's B-737s, MD-80s whereas Airbus seems not to be. US Airways also flies 34 DC-9s, 34 B-757s and 40 Fokker 100s among other older planes. Warren Lamb, a Boeing spokesman charged with divulging some information on the B-717, said Boeing will no longer give production schedules. It is estimated that 30 B-717s will be produced this year, ramping up to 60 units next year. Boeing has booked 130 firm orders for the model - 12 of which have been delivered. Of that amount, 50 are earmarked for struggling TWA. That carrier reported losses of $353.4m for 1999, with most of the shortfall due to a fourth-quarter loss that grew sharply from a year earlier. The company said it was still suffering from the effects of labour uncertainty last spring and summer. TWA's losses mean the carrier has not turned an annual profit since 1988. TWA has said it will use the B-717s to replace its DC-9s. Deliveries were slated to begin this month. Source of financing yet to be determined.
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RE: Order News/A3XX Launch, USAir 717s

Thu Apr 06, 2000 6:04 am

I'm glad to see that Continental is buying back some of it's shares. I never liked that Northworst bought a controlling stake in my favorite airline (although the alliance has some good points to it).

USAir: I heard the same news on Boeing taking trade-ins for the 717, although I heard it was for the Fokker 100s. I certainly hope that Boeing is successful in pitching the 717 to USAir, I never liked the idea of USAir being an all Airbus airline.
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RE: Order News/A3XX Launch, USAir 717s

Thu Apr 06, 2000 10:55 am

In an Airbus document released to the Star Alliance, Airbus claimed it only required 40-50 firm orders for it to actually go ahead with the A3XX, and 400-500 to break even on the project. I hope it does go ahead, it would be a spectacular aircraft.

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RE: Order News/A3XX Launch, USAir 717s

Fri Apr 07, 2000 2:12 am

Do you believe everything you read??? Well I do not and I think it is ure fantasy that CX are not intersted in the A 350 !!!!! If SIA or Malyasian Airlines order CX will not be far behind.

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RE: USAir 717s

Fri Apr 07, 2000 6:50 am

I highly doubt that US Airways is seriously looking at buying the 717 considering it's major commitment to the A320 family. Whats probably going to happen is that this is going to turn out like Boeing's attempt to sell the aircraft to British Airways. After much publicity BA went with the A318 because of the economics it has on standardinsing its narrowbody fleet with one type of aircraft family. This is a probably a ploy on US Airways to get better pricing on future Airbus aircraft.
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RE: USAir 717s

Fri Apr 07, 2000 7:06 am

I for one think that US will go for the 717, but after making Boeing give them a drop dead price because of the stuff they put them through in the last couple of years.

Given the route network that US flies, the 717 is MUCH more economical than the 318, and the cost savings over a few thousand flights would FAR outweigh the savings in pilot staffing by using 319/320/321 pilots. Besides that, the 717 is available now, and US could have planes on its property in a month and a half. Not only that, they already have pilots that can fly it. (It is a DC9 derivative after all.) The 318 won't be here for quite some time. US won't wait 3 years. It really is a no brainer if you stop and think beyond Airbus & Boeing.
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RE: Order News/A3XX Launch, USAir 717s

Fri Apr 07, 2000 8:28 am

That's good advice, not to believe everything you read. Alot of it is PR bull. I think Cathay will probably order the A3XX, but only after it's launched. And that's the flip side of the coin, if you don't believe one thing (CX not interested in the A3XX), why would you believe another (Airbus to launch A3XX by end of year 2000)? Both seem to be exaggerations, therefore both are highly doubtful. I see Cathay ordering the A3XX after an official launch, in about 5 years.

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Re: Hamlet69

Fri Apr 07, 2000 10:57 am

I must appologise, I have provided some incorrect figures on the Airbus presentation to Star on the A3XX. The presentation stated that the A3XX will be launched for orders by the end of 2000, with an intended EIS of 2005. Airbus quote they need at least 40 orders to launch the product, and sell 550 aircraft for the project to break even.


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