EZYcrew
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13 LX Avros Grounded On 26. March

Sun Mar 27, 2005 4:23 pm

Major delays and cancellations yesterday in ZRH as 13 Avros had to be urgently taken out of service. Apparently a problem with the de-icing fluid used yesterday morning that triggered false engine indications, according to my ex-LX F/A colleagues....

LX1484 to PRG had to turn back to ZRH, and those flights that were not cancelled suffered delays of up to 6 hours (GVA-AGP, ZRH-BEG... etc...)..

Does anybody has more info on what exactly happened, as I have not found anything yet?
 
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13 LX Avros Grounded On 26. March

Sun Mar 27, 2005 4:29 pm

No idea... What will these routes be run with for the short time those a/c are out of surface. Better yet, it's not like those a/c were the only a/c used by that de-icing truck why only these a/c were affected?

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13 LX Avros Grounded On 26. March

Sun Mar 27, 2005 5:11 pm

Any chance how this looks today? I am scheduled to fly an LX Avro today ZRH - BRU.
 
Unique
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13 LX Avros Grounded On 26. March

Sun Mar 27, 2005 5:22 pm

Apparently a problem with the de-icing fluid used yesterday morning

The remains of deicing fluid (Type IV, green in colour, quite viscous) used many weeks ago were washed into the stabilizers by the rain of the last few days and created the problems with stabilizer manoeuvrability. The stabilizers were washed thoroughly by the ground engineers and the problem's now solved.
 
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13 LX Avros Grounded On 26. March

Sun Mar 27, 2005 7:30 pm

Swiss has 19 Avros, so practically all of those little regionals were grounded. Of those 19 there are 15 RJ100s and 4 RJR85s. It must have been a mess, since they're one of the workhorses in their fleet. Their in and out all day. Unfortunately I was only their on the 25th, so I missed it.

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LHSTR
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13 LX Avros Grounded On 26. March

Sun Mar 27, 2005 7:40 pm

Quoting DeltaWings (Reply 4):
Unfortunately I was only their on the 25th, so I missed it.

Unfortunately?
 
DeltaWings
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13 LX Avros Grounded On 26. March

Sun Mar 27, 2005 9:02 pm

Sorry I spelt it wrong-- I ment THERE


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LHSTR
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13 LX Avros Grounded On 26. March

Mon Mar 28, 2005 12:30 am

Now, I mean why did you put unfortunately?

I am just sitting in ZRH right now with an Avro flight being cancelled and I would be fortunate to actually be on board and flying.
 
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Buyantukhaa
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13 LX Avros Grounded On 26. March

Mon Mar 28, 2005 12:50 am

I saw one take off from LIS yesterday - that must have been one of the six still in service then...
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saab2000
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13 LX Avros Grounded On 26. March

Mon Mar 28, 2005 2:07 am

"Little Regionals"????? whatever........
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DeltaWings
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13 LX Avros Grounded On 26. March

Mon Mar 28, 2005 2:38 am

okay then. big regional jet liners
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flyinTLow
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13 LX Avros Grounded On 26. March

Mon Mar 28, 2005 7:28 am

Different question:

Type 4 is used all around the world. They definitly use it on most (if not all) a/c at FRA. Any news if other airlines are affected? Is this an airline problem or an aircraft problem?
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RE: 13 LX Avros Grounded 26.3

Mon Mar 28, 2005 7:38 am

Quoting Unique (Reply 3):
The remains of deicing fluid..........used many weeks ago were washed into the stabilizers by the rain of the last few days and created the problems with stabilizer manoeuvrability.

Yepp !!

Here at STR we had a similar incident about 2 weeks ago...the whole stabilizer was full of that stuff....it was like glue.
Same with the ailerons.....
That was a very good job the crew did in bringing it down without "problems" !!!!!

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RE: 13 LX Avros Grounded On 26. March

Mon Mar 28, 2005 1:50 pm

There's been problems of this nature before in the UK with a regional airline. The airlines 146's began to have elevator probs inflight.....it was left over de-icing fluid freezing in flight and jamming the elevator. Before anyone says 'how the hell can de-icing fluid freeze?', well apparantly it breaks down over time and mixes with water/moisture and freezes up.

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RE: 13 LX Avros Grounded On 26. March

Tue Mar 29, 2005 7:45 am

Quoting SkySurfer (Reply 13):
t.....it was left over de-icing fluid freezing in flight and jamming the elevator. Before anyone says 'how the hell can de-icing fluid freeze?', well apparantly it breaks down over time and mixes with water/moisture and freezes up.

Ohhh yes...I second that!!!!
I have seen it myself...and that is one nasty thing to happen to you in flight!!!!

Godspeed

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