MaverickM11
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The TSA And Shoes

Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:05 pm

I had a run in with the retarded bobble-heads we call the TSA here today. I wear soft canvas shoes so that I'm able to pass through security without having to take off my shoes--as the TSA recommends one do. Moreover the TSA policy is that you do not have to take off your shoes, as was stated in a press release and a following media flurry.

However, in typical retarded-mafia fashion, the TSA continued their policy of security-by-mass stupidity/confusion/disorganization/blackmail. That's not to say that I would expect anything else from the lowest IQ department of the governemnt...which is saying a lot. I walked through the metal detector archway and there was no flag, but the TSA airhead stated that he "recommended I take off my shoes or else I'd face secondary screening".

Ah, there was the blackmail part that I've come expect from the branch of the government that travels on the short bus. Instead of strangling his neck, I decided it would be more prudent to just take off my shoes and suck it up but at this point my blood pressure must have doubled. I collected my belongings and went to talk to what looked like the head TSA moron. Turns out that at least in this location, they do not follow their own policy (I know...shock...dismay). Maybe the idiot confused my $20 blue Pumas for a car bomb...I guess that could happen when you only have 3 working synapses in your head.

So to make a long rant short, I have two questions.

1) What is the TSA policy regarding wearing shoes through the metal detector archway in your airport? God knows they couldn't apply the same policy department-wide if their lives depended on it.

2) What is the best way to notify the powers that be of TSA errors, misuse of power, inconsistencies, etc.?
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RE: The TSA And Shoes

Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:33 pm

I came across the exact same situation at SFO on Saturday. We were told "We recommend you remove your shoes or you'll be subject to secondary screening, and that will take 15 minutes" even though there were several screeners standing around and no one in line.

On the same day in LAS and LAX I had no problem with keeping my shoes on.
 
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RE: The TSA And Shoes

Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:44 pm

I've purchased shoes especially for flying that have no shanks or anything in the soles that won't kick a detector simply because I don't like the "walking barefoot in a locker-room" concept of picking up someone else's foot funk.

Sometimes they still order that I take them off at various airports, even after I've requested that I at least *try* once to get through with my non-metal shoes. Threats about secondaries generally ensue.

Seems like half the time JFK or EWR couldn't give a care, but some of the smaller ports are thrilled with making people do everything short of strip in public; at least that's my experience with it.

Oh, and didn't some PM from Papua New Guinea get all bent about the Aussie screening making him take off his shoes today? I thought that I heard a news quip about it somewhere. I may be wrong or daydreaming on this, though.  Smile
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RE: The TSA And Shoes

Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:44 pm

Just be glad Richard Reid did not hide explosives in his underwear.
 
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RE: The TSA And Shoes

Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:47 pm

Quoting Wukka (Reply 2):
Seems like half the time JFK or EWR couldn't give a care

Sounds about right. I once got on a CO flight out of EWR, and realized after I boarded that I had left my Swiss Army knife in my carry on. You would think they would have found a large knife in my bag, but nothing surprises me anymore.

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RE: The TSA And Shoes

Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:49 pm

It seems like taking off ones shoes is the new fad for TSAirked  The next big decision one has to make is, do I send my shoes through in the gray bin or do I put through individually.  Confused I have had been asked to do both. Give me a break. TSA should make it standard everywhere instead of letting individual TSA decide what is or not policy.  banghead 
 
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RE: The TSA And Shoes

Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:57 pm

TSA = Travelers Seriously Annoyed
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RE: The TSA And Shoes

Tue Mar 29, 2005 3:03 pm

At PHL you have to show a TSA person your boarding pass and photo ID again to even get a gray bin. Not to mentioned everything needs it own separate bin. One for shoes (and they must come off), one for the laptop, one for the coat, one for anything else you might have. I once ended up with 4 bins and 2 carry-ons. Not very efficient, and then I was told to move it along as I tried to redress myself. You also have to carry your boarding pass thru the metal detector to show another TSA person on the otherside. That's ID once to rent a cop, and twice to TSA. No idea why, and don't ask, I tried and trust me bad result. (This was not a one time experience either, I was commuting for 3 months and everyweek the same drill.) The best day was then they were handing out cards to time how long you waited, funny how the line all the way down the bridge to the parking deck and they were handing them out about 5 people in front of the rent a cop. Offically my thru time was 10 mins, but I actually waited over an hour.

Here at ORD, it's everything in one bin, I keep my shoes on and walk right thru. No problems. Most of the time it takes less then 5 mins all told.

FLL a week ago, I got told flat out shoes off, but they could share a bin with my coat. (I had tennis shoes on too.)

As mentioned before, do what they say or suggest, because it's going to be painful otherwise. And if you in a hurry, forget about it, that an automatic molestation request.

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RE: The TSA And Shoes

Tue Mar 29, 2005 3:03 pm

The big stink is that the TSA is looking for (and has the right to look for) more than just metal. So if they recommend you take off your shoes - take them off. Or enjoy a complimentary upgrade to the second screening process.

What's the big deal? I travel very frequently and have a routine: shoes off, laptop out, keys/change/wallet/phone in the bag. Not that tough, and I'm even lazy.
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RE: The TSA And Shoes

Tue Mar 29, 2005 3:07 pm

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 6):
TSA = Travelers Seriously Annoyed

TSA = Terrorists Still Airside

Sorry, but the world would be much better off without those morons...which, of course, must make me a much bigger moron, because I (if this is actually possible) FAILED THE TSA TEST!!!!!
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RE: The TSA And Shoes

Tue Mar 29, 2005 3:18 pm

I don't have a problem with TSA and appreciate what they have to do with what they have. Also, consider how monotonous that job must be. However, more to the point, I travel so much I've got the routine down pat and have no issues with taking off my shoes.

But it does drive me insane to hear them say every time "We RECOMMEND you take off your shoes". And I've watched countless people get stopped and ordered to take off their shoes before passing through the metal detector.

The point is, folks like us know better and take off the shoes regardless but the typical traveling public doesn't know any better and will leave the shoes on.

It is just a VERY confusing policy and needs to be changed. Either TELL everyone to take off the shoes or just let them through and re-check those that set off the alarm.
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RE: The TSA And Shoes

Tue Mar 29, 2005 3:23 pm

"What's the big deal?"

Taking my shoes off is not a big deal. It's about principle. These f*#cking morons can't apply a common policy. Period. I'm honestly shocked that they're able to put pants on without screwing that up.
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RE: The TSA And Shoes

Tue Mar 29, 2005 3:24 pm

Last week at Love, passengers with shoes on were loudly chastised and ordered to remove them.
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RE: The TSA And Shoes

Tue Mar 29, 2005 3:26 pm

In FLL they recommend you remove your shoes, if you refuse which a lady did a few days ago she then was put into secondary screening and started making a huge scene and refused to let them search her shoes and also got a little hands on with one of the screeners which just made her case even worse.

I also noticed in FLL they have little paper slippers for you to wear when you take your shoes off.

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RE: The TSA And Shoes

Tue Mar 29, 2005 4:03 pm

TSA = Terrorist Support Agency

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RE: The TSA And Shoes

Tue Mar 29, 2005 4:07 pm

Here at GSO, it's take the shoes off or you get a free, 15 minute vacation to Secondary Search Land. I personally know my shoes have shanks in them so I take them off, but if I was travelling with sneakers (which I have done once in the past 10 years), I'd be annoyed.

As for consistency, it's the TSA. There is none. I carry an umbrella in my briefcase, and at every airport I've cleared security in recently (GSO, BOS, MHT, LAX, IAD, CLE, and a few more) I've been told I can keep it in my briefcase - in the words of a TSA screener "we know what they look like." However, at DCA, they make you take it out. So here I am, at the checkpoint racing to make a flight (I was on the 645 shuttle, trying to get onto the 445 though, and it was 425), taking my laptop out, shoes off, umbrella out, belt off, cell phone in briefcase, putting briefcase and rollaboard on the belt...it was a hassle. Now, I do a lot of these tasks before the checkpoint normally, but there was no line today, so I didn't have time to do it while waiting in line.

At least recently, it's been consistent on ID check. Rent-a-cop checks ID and boarding pass at front of line, TSA only checks boarding pass at the metal detector, and I've only been asked for ID at the gate once (and that was at DCA to get a new boarding pass while entering the jetway - if I had a boarding pass prior to this, I wouldn't have had to).

If only there was a common policy, it would be easier. Laptops out is already done. Maybe if they adopted the line on shoes it would be better.

Enough with the TSA for tonight...

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RE: The TSA And Shoes

Tue Mar 29, 2005 4:08 pm

I was at SFO a couple weeks ago and I had to take my boots off. It doesn't bother me that much to have to take my shoes off, but if I have to untie my boots, go through the metal detector, and then retie my boots while at the same time not trying to get in the way of other people coming through after me. Why can't they give you a place to sit down and tie your shoes/boots? On top of the fact that I don't want to walk around in my socks on the dirty carpet.
 
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RE: The TSA And Shoes

Tue Mar 29, 2005 4:21 pm

"TSA = Terrorist Support Agency"

I love that one.

"If you want to professionalize, you have to privatize."

Absolutely true. I've worked with the mentally retarded (TSA) as well as private agencies for the same needs, and the private agencies always a) do it right, b) are dependable, and c) don't black mail me. After all, for every time the TSA audits the private agencies how many times do you think they audit their own people? *crickets chirping*
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RE: The TSA And Shoes

Tue Mar 29, 2005 4:37 pm

The problem with the TSA is that its the same morons running airport security that have always been doing it. The only difference now is that they work for the government ...
 
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RE: The TSA And Shoes

Wed Mar 30, 2005 1:41 am

I'm convinced their main object is to confuse the terrorist into a rage resulting in high blood pressure that kills them years later.
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RE: The TSA And Shoes

Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:01 am

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 9):
must make me a much bigger moron, because I (if this is actually possible) FAILED THE TSA TEST!!!!!

Given your post history on here I am not surprised in any way, shape, or form.

It is possible you were actually too smart, however.
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RE: The TSA And Shoes

Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:11 am

I hold foreign passport, have dark hair and brown eyes, I am Star Gold and most of the times fly domestic one ways. I get always secondary screening in US airports, so no reason for me to take my shoes off as they will send me to the secondary screening anyway.
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RE: The TSA And Shoes

Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:13 am

I agree.
In RNO and LAX, I did not have to take off shoes.
In SAT, MCI, and SMF, I did have to take shoes off.
I am fine with it, but just make it a national policy or don't.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 11):
What's the big deal?"

Taking my shoes off is not a big deal. It's about principle. These f*#cking morons can't apply a common policy. Period. I'm honestly shocked that they're able to put pants on without screwing that up.
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RE: The TSA And Shoes

Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:22 am

Every time I hear, "We recommend that you take off your shoes," I say that my shoes don't set off the metal detectors at ORD. I usually get a line about trying it, but if I set off the metal detectors, then I will get extra screening. I don't set them off.

The good one was that a TSA numbskull recommended that I take the shoes off my son, who is 22 months. After I explained that his shoes have no metal, that taking his shoes off and putting them back on will hold up the line, and that the secondary screening runs the risk if his slapping, clawing, headbutting, or trying to grab the wand and chew it, they let him go through with his shoes on.

Here's the real doosie. At ATL, the screeners on the other side of the metal detectors want to see your boarding pass and ID. This is after showing them to get into the line for security. I told the screener that I had put them in my blazer, which I had to take off to put through the x-ray machine. His look was, "Yeah, I know this is stupid, but I just follow orders. I don't make them."
 
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RE: The TSA And Shoes

Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:23 am

Quoting SilentObserver (Reply 7):
At PHL you have to show a TSA person your boarding pass and photo ID again to even get a gray bin. Not to mentioned everything needs it own separate bin. One for shoes (and they must come off)

Last Friday they didn't make me take my shoes off going through the C pier security. And I only had to show my boarding card at the start of the line and after going through the magnometer. I think that you might have just had an incredibly fiesty person.

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RE: The TSA And Shoes

Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:24 am

They had me take off my shoes at ONT just last week. I never had to take off my shoes at SYR or JFK. When I took and international flight out of JFK this past December, I didn't have to take of my shoes.

The problem was that at ONT they never said it was mandatory to take off shoes, but as I was about to pass through the metal detector a TSA dumba*s told me that it was recommended that I take off my shoes (if he said it was REQUIRED I would have took off my shoes and saved myself the hassle). I thought that if I didn't set off the metal detector there would be no problem. It turns out that I didn't set off the detector, but that TSA dipsh*t set me aside for a good pat-down and fondling. Of course in typical TSA fashion the pat-down missed my wallet and other miscellaneous items on my person. Presumably I could have walked on my flight with a half pound of C-4 in my back pocket with trigger in my metal wristwatch (also didn't set off the metal detectors) and none would be the wiser.

TSA tightwad pricks... all they do is hassle honest people.
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RE: The TSA And Shoes

Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:48 am

""If you want to professionalize, you have to privatize.""

That's a joke right? Prior to 9/11 the private security companies were the biggest pack of morons ever collected into a single herd. Argen-not-so-bright, who did security at Logan, couldn't find a bomb if it was the size of a trunk and had the words "BOMB INSIDE" printed on the case.
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RE: The TSA And Shoes

Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:50 am

"Prior to 9/11 the private security companies were the biggest pack of morons ever collected into a single herd"

And then they all became government employees....
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RE: The TSA And Shoes

Wed Mar 30, 2005 3:12 am

Besides the many times flying, I have probably had to go through the security at Federal and State office buildings and court houses hundreds of times in the last many years I cannot recall of ever having to take off your shoes to enter such government buildings, althought many have the metal detectors set so tight they pick up the filings in your teeth! (especially where criminal trials held). If you still set off the metal dectectors, then they wand you, and usually it's zippers, the belt buckle, medical metal parts (head plates, replacement joints) or the metal in your shoes Yes, an airplane is different from a large building, but one terrorist or nutcase could have enough stuff enough C-4 in a shoe to kill people in a courtroom, maybe even a judge if close enough. In my experience, Secondary Screening has never taken me more than 5 minutes to deal with. Should airports be more consistant about shoes on/off? Yes, of course, but part of the procedures of the TSA are to be somewhat inconsistant to throw off terror plotters.
 
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RE: The TSA And Shoes

Wed Mar 30, 2005 3:13 am

Quoting Starrion (Reply 26):
Prior to 9/11 the private security companies were the biggest pack of morons ever collected into a single herd. Argen-not-so-bright, who did security at Logan, couldn't find a bomb if it was the size of a trunk and had the words "BOMB INSIDE" printed on the case.

They aren't any better now. How could they have been good prior to 9/11? They weren't responsible. If AA and UA had been given the freedom to set security policy and the responsibility for failure e.g. paying for the twin towers, 9/11 would not have happened. We would have efficient, polite, effective security. Exactly the opposite of the inefficient, rude, and ineffective security we have now.
 
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RE: The TSA And Shoes

Wed Mar 30, 2005 3:19 am

In the last few months that I have been flying, some airports make you take your shoes off.
San Diego- UA terminal need to take shoes off, terminal 2 don't need to take your shoes off
Las- didn't take shoes off
DTW- took shoes off
PHL- took shoes off
BNA- didn't take shoes off
LAX Delta Terminal - Didn't take shoes off
MCO- Took shoes off once, the next day didn't need to.

Every airport and every security check point in the same airport is different.
In San Diego, Terminal one where United is you sometimes have to take your shoes off and you have to show your boarding pass and ID three times just to get though the security check point. Terminal 2 where Delta is you only show your id once and most of the time you don't need to take off your shoes. The commuter terminal you have to take your shoes off all the time. I have noticed in smaller airports you will be searched more. Every time I go to MRY= Monterey I have to take my shoes off and I get searched. That is all only airport out of 20 that I have been to that I got searched.

Im fine taking my shoes off, but I wish that every airport will be the same. When you take your shoes off and they put your shoes in the scanner it doesn't pick up explosives so what is the point of taking off your shoes?
 
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RE: The TSA And Shoes

Wed Mar 30, 2005 3:25 am

Quoting 1011 (Reply 30):
When you take your shoes off and they put your shoes in the scanner it doesn't pick up explosives so what is the point of taking off your shoes?

It's theatre. It's to make stupid people feel safe and to embolden real terrorists who see what bufoons and daft methods the Terrorist Support Agency employs. The Republicans and Democrats are trying to look tough while desparately hoping for and trying to facilitate another incident so that they can amass more power for themselves.

[Edited 2005-03-29 19:27:32]
 
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RE: The TSA And Shoes

Wed Mar 30, 2005 3:43 am

Remember folks, it's not about BEING safe, but rather FEELING safe. Don't you FEEL safer having to take off your shoes, jacket, belt, and soon, underwear?
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RE: The TSA And Shoes

Wed Mar 30, 2005 3:45 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Thread starter):
1) What is the TSA policy regarding wearing shoes through the metal detector archway in your airport? God knows they couldn't apply the same policy department-wide if their lives depended on it.

2) What is the best way to notify the powers that be of TSA errors, misuse of power, inconsistencies, etc.?

As you mentioned, officially, you don't have to take off your shoes, but at ANC I will frickin' guarantee a secondary screening if you do not.

I'd rather not get my blood worked up over the stupid, waste of money, TSA this morning . . . . they are THE premier example of a waste of government funding, absolutely useless . . .

Anyone who thinks they are doing anything of value is off their rocker.

TSA=THOUSANDS STANDING AROUND=USELESS

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 9):
which, of course, must make me a much bigger moron, because I (if this is actually possible) FAILED THE TSA TEST!!!!!

I doubt that SHU - you're smarter than they are - you probably out-tested the test . . . it's probably written at a 6th grade level anyway. Seriously, did you REALLY want to be part of that organization (I use the word lightly).
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RE: The TSA And Shoes

Wed Mar 30, 2005 3:55 am

"I'd rather not get my blood worked up over the stupid, waste of money, TSA this morning"

Just thinking about one of the many times they've blackmailed me sends my blood pressure through the roof. As it stands, I will never be able to fly through a certain airport for fear of flying off the handle and strangling a TSA agent.
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RE: The TSA And Shoes

Wed Mar 30, 2005 3:57 am

Last time I was at MIA heading for Caracas, the control was very smooth (can't recall about I wore sandals or shoes). Next time is Barranquilla from Miami in June. I have no idea how it's traveling from US to Colombia? Any experiences?
 
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RE: The TSA And Shoes

Wed Mar 30, 2005 3:59 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 27):
"Prior to 9/11 the private security companies were the biggest pack of morons ever collected into a single herd"

And then they all became government employees....

Actually not so... there was a huge stink on the West Coast with accusations of racism running from Seattle to San Diego. 99% of all screeners at SFO, LAX, SAN and SEA pre-9/11 were Philipino nationals on green cards (not citizens). While plenty of these folks were hard working, the vast majority I encountered could barely speak English, which I would think is a security hazard in itself. Further, the worst of these folks all too often were too busy chitchatting with each other in Togalog and not even watching the screening devices. When the TSA took over, none of these folks were eligible to apply for the TSA because they were not U.S. citizens. For the hardworking among them, I feel bad, but in general, the TSA is a 100% improvement on the West Coast. Yeah sure, the TSA may be petty tyrants from time to time, but at least they seem a bit more professional and have far better communication skills.
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RE: The TSA And Shoes

Wed Mar 30, 2005 4:12 am

Quoting PA110 (Reply 36):
the TSA may be petty tyrants from time to time, but at least they seem a bit more professional and have far better communication skills.

I'll grant that they have better communication skills, but I don't consider that a plus because they use those skills to insult, intimidate, and harrass the innocent. The only thing that keeps the Terrorist Support Agency from insulting, intimidating, and harrassing innocent passengers even more than they do now is their laziness.
 
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RE: The TSA And Shoes

Wed Mar 30, 2005 4:12 am

Has someone not initiated a litigation case against the TSA or government for exposing persons to various biological hazards which could be present in the floor surfaces of airports that could impact your state of wellness? By the removal of my shoes and the forced walking on a surface which the TSA can not guarrantee I will not be infected or impacted seems rich for a litigation claim. Public showers have slippers.

The comparison of security in USA airports and others around the world is always interesting to watch. So much of it is for show and only stops the dumb people who could do harm. The smarter ones have too many options that no level of reasonable security will stop. Do you feel safer in St Louis than CDG or LHR? The security/screening at LHR is more subtle than many USA places.

If you can pack explosives into a lap top, you certainly can put a little battery into it to make the Windows screen appear when you turn it on to prove it is real....
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RE: The TSA And Shoes

Wed Mar 30, 2005 4:12 am

Flew FLL-TPA about a month back...Booked the flight the night before AND it was one-way, so of course my boarding pass had the "SSSS" on the bottom (extra-Special security)...knew right off the bat that I had do secondary, so I was prepared for it. The only problem was that I had to wait for the TSA to find a female patter-downer for a woman who was before me in the secondary line BEFORE they could let me get patted, even though the male screener was RIGHT THERE! They wouldn't let me in front of her!!! WTF!?!?  crazy 
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RE: The TSA And Shoes

Wed Mar 30, 2005 4:31 am

TSA=Trained Shoe Analysts

My biggest gripe is the lack of consistancy and the general unwillingness of the TSA to even try to have good 'customer service' if you will..
 
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RE: The TSA And Shoes

Wed Mar 30, 2005 4:45 am

I always deny their recommendation and line up for the secondary screening, knowing full well they hate it more than I do. By that time I've already checked-in, my flight's not gonna go anywhere without me, and if I'm late it's not my fault. I also get a kick out of seeing their faces when I neglect their self-inflated egocentric "recomendation". Gawd, I've seen rats in Boston with a higher IQ than these morons.
 
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RE: The TSA And Shoes

Wed Mar 30, 2005 5:09 am

It's the TSA, what can you say.....

The worst airport I know (regarding TSA arrogance that is) is Fargo. I refuse to take off my shoes since the official TSA policy is that you don't have to. They openly threaten you with the prospect of secondary screening. In one case they were so pissed that they made me take my pants off, x-rayed them and only then let me put them back on. Better not wear 501s or they'll consider you a terrorist...
Anyway, after ten or fifteen minutes of torture, I was finally released. I made sure I noted the names of everybody involved. This is about the only thing I can do to give them a little grief in return, although they know as well as I do that complaining to the TSA never helps.

The worst thing about "secondary screening" is that they NEVER x-rayed my shoes. They were not the least concerned with whatever I might have hidden in them although they DID set off the handheld metal detector. They were too busy punishing me. Welcome to Abu Ghraib (spelling?) - uhm, I mean Fargo, ND.

I have also carried several prohibited items on board without even knowing it until afterwards. I recently equipped myself with the list of permitted items (downloaded from the TSA website) though, because they always complain about my nailclippers now. Only after I show them the TSA documents and threaten to call a guy in the Administration whose name I happen to know (although he has no clue who I am), they let me go through.
 
Midway2AirTran
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RE: The TSA And Shoes

Wed Mar 30, 2005 5:14 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 14):
If you want to professionalize, you have to privatize.

Agreed!! The goal after 9-11 was right, but not the method. All the goverment had to do was to supply the equipment and assist with training for the new technology, we didn't need goverment employees!! Even worst, they are now trying to up those 9-11 fees to ridiculous amounts to keep this system afloat, seprate from taxes and airport fees. The airlines and airports suffer!

As for the shoe thing, I wear tennis shoes for the same purpose. I get asked differently at each airport I go through. Either way, we have no choice but to follow along for the sake of security and not getting arrested.
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RE: The TSA And Shoes

Wed Mar 30, 2005 5:19 am

Here's something to think about. I go to a courthouse in suburban Chicago fairly regularly. For more than 10 years, anyone going in has had to turn on all electronic devices at the security checkpoint, cell phones, pagers, PDAs, calculators, portable dictation equipment, etc.

If I forget my attorney ID card, I clean out my briefcase in the parking garage, just to save myself some time. I've even seen a former county board president have to turn on his phone and PDA.

So, why does TSA merely x-ray electronic devices in carry-on luggage? A terrorist could probably make a cell phone bomb, and it would get through the x-ray machine.

I do believe that security at airports can be privatized. Here's why. The security personnel at the federal buildings in downtown Chicago are not deputy U.S. Marshalls. They are with a private security firm that is contracted by the Marshall's Service. For the most part, these people are former cops or MPs, and the training is designed and supervised by the Marshall's Service. Unlike TSA screeners, all of them are trained with firearms, although not all carry weapons while on duty

Before September 11th, airport security was the responsibility of the airlines and airport operators, and it was administered by the FAA, which is not a law enforcement agency. So, if screening is privatized, it will work, so long as contractors hire people with security backgrounds, and training is conducted by an agency with law enforcement duties.
 
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RE: The TSA And Shoes

Wed Mar 30, 2005 5:24 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 34):
Just thinking about one of the many times they've blackmailed me sends my blood pressure through the roof. As it stands, I will never be able to fly through a certain airport for fear of flying off the handle and strangling a TSA agent.

Unfortunately, I must fly to get to work . . . every two weeks, at a minumum, 800 miles from ANC to SCC or visa versa. So I have to deal with these idiots.


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. . . plus her two sisters . . .

Plus, I live in Alaska . . . if I want to go anywhere I can either spend 4-6 hours on a plane to a 'stateside' gateway or drive for 4 days through Canada . . . Once again, stuck.

They are a truly worthless organization, run by incompetent morons who know they have the public by the nards . . . absolutely ridiculous.

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AEROFAN
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RE: The TSA And Shoes

Wed Mar 30, 2005 5:25 am

Talking about being searched and stupid policies. I have been flying to and from DC twice a month every month for the last 2 years. The thing about it - every time I non revved on DL I got secondary search (selectee process) yet on those occasions that I bought a ticket I didn't. And they were the very same people who checked me in whether I was non revving or not. (I got to know them by name). So I stopped flying DL.
So morale of the story -TSA and airlines are stupid and deserve each other.
 
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RE: The TSA And Shoes

Wed Mar 30, 2005 6:12 am

When I am at work in my uniform, the airports on the West Coast let the crews keep their shoes on if they like. I bought shoes that are advertised as äirport security safe".
 
palmjet
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RE: The TSA And Shoes

Wed Mar 30, 2005 7:00 am

I agree. There appears to be a total lack of consistency in the application of the 'shoes off' policy which leads to nothing but frustration for travellers in the US.

Last month, I was in the US. Wore the same pair of shoes for each flight.

Did not have to take shoes off at LAS, PHX, RNO, or SNA but when I was leaving MCO to come back to the UK, the TSA made a big deal about me having to take my shoes off because of the thickness of the soles.

Why was I not told the same in LAS, PHX, SNA or RNO?

Where is the consistency?
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cxsjr
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RE: The TSA And Shoes

Wed Mar 30, 2005 8:05 am

Once again, I don't understand the shoe thing. Richard Reid, yes he tried to blow up his shoe. But those 9/11 boys used carpet knives (didn't they?). If anyone is so determined, they will find some way of bringing down a jet. F/A's still pop in and out of the flight deck .... passengers carry pens, walking sticks (AF are back on metal knives!), all of which could be used to render a pilot useless.

You will never make flying terror free, baggage handler infiltration, F/A infiltration etc etc, so why add to peoples fear (terror) by bringing in such pointless bureaucratic checks. After all, it only takes one person to slip through the net and ..... better to spend the cash on improved intelligence or better ways of communicating it?

I for one am using the attitude of US immigration and TSA as an excuse to see the rest of the world instead of holidaying in the States, much as I love your country!  sorry 
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