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Korean Airlines Close To 20+ 787 Deal.

Tue Mar 29, 2005 9:23 pm

ATWonline has a little blurb on Insiders telling about "an order and options package "for at least 20 aircraft." "

The deal could be worth up to US$2.4bn (for 20 787s)

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RE: Korean Airlines Close To 20+ 787 Deal.

Wed Mar 30, 2005 12:36 am

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RE: Korean Airlines Close To 20+ 787 Deal.

Wed Mar 30, 2005 12:40 am

Awesome! Sounds like another win for the 787! Anyone know when it's will be announced?
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RE: Korean Airlines Close To 20+ 787 Deal.

Wed Mar 30, 2005 12:43 am

Thanks Greaser

This will be interesting to see the outcome of this. If Korean do order the 787 over the A350 will this be one of the first head to head sales campaigns between A350 & 787 where technical merit will dictate the winner?

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RE: Korean Airlines Close To 20+ 787 Deal.

Wed Mar 30, 2005 12:48 am

Quoting PANAM_DC10 (Reply 3):
If Korean do order the 787 over the A350 will this be one of the first head to head sales campaigns between A350 & 787 where technical merit will dictate the winner?

Thats correct, and if I'm not mistaken, is Korea considering the replacement of some mailine/narrowbody aircraft too? If so, this could help decide the 737 vs A-319/320 issue.

Great news for Boeing!
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RE: Korean Airlines Close To 20+ 787 Deal.

Wed Mar 30, 2005 12:55 am

Have South Korean companies been awarded any 787 subcontracting work?
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RE: Korean Airlines Close To 20+ 787 Deal.

Wed Mar 30, 2005 12:55 am

Any chance they ordered the 789?


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RE: Korean Airlines Close To 20+ 787 Deal.

Wed Mar 30, 2005 12:57 am

DAYflyer

I'm not too sure what their NB requirement exactly is. Last I heard was that they were leasing a 739 and possibly another to OKAir in China. I wasn't sure they had an RFP or Tender out for further Narrowbody airplanes. Any update would be appreciated.

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RE: Korean Airlines Close To 20+ 787 Deal.

Wed Mar 30, 2005 1:14 am

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 4):
If so, this could help decide the 737 vs A-319/320 issue.

KE operate 14 B738 and 15 (soon 16) B739, why would they even think of a replacement? No chance for Airbus narrowbodies.

B787 make sense, they can be used to replace remaining A300 and early A330-300 models on shorter Asian routes. Plus 788 could be used to expand on thinner long haul routes, KE seem to have a shortage here with only three A332.


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RE: Korean Airlines Close To 20+ 787 Deal.

Wed Mar 30, 2005 8:24 am

Quoting Greaser (Thread starter):
ATWonline has a little blurb on Insiders telling about "an order and options package "for at least 20 aircraft." "

The insiders are probably in the Orders Forum. This post showed up just prior to ATWonline making reference to the 20 figure.
 
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RE: Korean Airlines Close To 20+ 787 Deal.

Wed Mar 30, 2005 8:36 am

Quoting QFA001 (Reply 9):
The insiders are probably in the Orders Forum. This post showed up just prior to ATWonline making reference to the 20 figure.

The order's forum entry cites FI as the source of the info where I believe they cited insiders.
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RE: Korean Airlines Close To 20+ 787 Deal.

Wed Mar 30, 2005 8:44 am

Why would KE need a new type of narrowbody aircraft? All of its 737NGs are less than 5 years old. When it signed the 737NG agreement with Boeing back in the late 1990s, it wanted to cut down its types of narrowbody aircraft. It operated MD-80s, 727s & Fokker 100. Now its just 737NGs.

Interesting to hear KE may opt for the 787. The 787-3 would be perfect to replace for those soon to be old A300-622Rs. The A333 & A332 would not be an ideal replacement for the those AB6 as they have too much weight or capacity.

It will be interesting where KE will head when it goes for its 744 replacement. Though a handful are new (less than 5 years old), most of the fleet were delivered in the early 90s. KE has a few A380s on order but will it opt to keep it small or order a bunch more. The problem with 773ER is that KE's 777 fleet is PW-powered, but that didn't keep carrier like EK, SQ or NH from ordered it despite operating a ton of 777 on different engines.
 
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RE: Korean Airlines Close To 20+ 787 Deal.

Wed Mar 30, 2005 8:46 am

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 5):
Have South Korean companies been awarded any 787 subcontracting work?

Nothing significant-

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RE: Korean Airlines Close To 20+ 787 Deal.

Wed Mar 30, 2005 8:50 am

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 11):
Why would KE need a new type of narrowbody aircraft?

It's a wide body, just about the similar scale to a 763.
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RE: Korean Airlines Close To 20+ 787 Deal.

Wed Mar 30, 2005 8:57 am

Quoting Lehpron (Reply 13):
Quoting Carpethead (Reply 11):
Why would KE need a new type of narrowbody aircraft?

It's a wide body, just about the similar scale to a 763.

Lehpron, I think Carpethead's response was to this:

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 4):
Thats correct, and if I'm not mistaken, is Korea considering the replacement of some mailine/narrowbody aircraft too? If so, this could help decide the 737 vs A-319/320 issue

Carpethead, please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
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RE: Korean Airlines Close To 20+ 787 Deal.

Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:16 am

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 10):
The order's forum entry cites FI as the source of the info where I believe they cited insiders.

The post clearly mentions 20 airplanes from a non-FI source.  Yeah sure
 
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RE: Korean Airlines Close To 20+ 787 Deal.

Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:18 am

Quoting QFA001 (Reply 9):
The insiders are probably in the Orders Forum. This post showed up just prior to ATWonline making reference to the 20 figure

Not unless your employer blocks access to the site  Sad Good to see you here QFA001

Back OT. Can anyone clarify how many 739s KE will lease to OKAir China, 2?

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RE: Korean Airlines Close To 20+ 787 Deal.

Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:37 am

Way to go Boeing , good to see more orders for 787, Hopefully we will see a major European carrier soon . And dare I dream QF Smile
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RE: Korean Airlines Close To 20+ 787 Deal.

Wed Mar 30, 2005 11:01 am

It is always amazing to see how the a thread on Airliners.net begins with one thing and by the end a multitude of people appear to have read about 50 different things from the first post.  old 

At present, this is NOT AN ORDER.  no  It is merely suggesting that so-called 'insiders' (we don't know who exactly?) believe that Korean Air are close to agreeing a deal for up to 20 7e7's comprising of a combination of firm orders and options.  spin 

We know nothing more from this post. If it were to become reality than that would of course be very good news.  yes 

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RE: Korean Airlines Close To 20+ 787 Deal.

Wed Mar 30, 2005 12:19 pm

Quoting Propulsion (Reply 18):
Korean Air are close to agreeing a deal for up to 20 7e7's comprising of a combination of firm orders and options.

We know nothing more from this post.

-I think we do know one thing for sure, they're not looking at "7e7s", but rather the 787.
 
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RE: Korean Airlines Close To 20+ 787 Deal.

Wed Mar 30, 2005 12:37 pm

Quoting Udo (Reply 8):
operate 14 B738 and 15 (soon 16) B739, why would they even think of a replacement? No chance for Airbus narrowbodies

Udo,

Thanks very much for the clarification on the NB fleet. I had not realized the 737-8,9 has been ordered.

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RE: Korean Airlines Close To 20+ 787 Deal.

Wed Mar 30, 2005 1:47 pm

Lehpron, what I meant was that somebody suggested KE order the A320. I think this is all resolved now.

KE similar to Japanese airlines do not need an ultra-long haul aircraft. The European continent and North America can be well covered by existing aircraft types. The only places out of reach are South America and Africa which there is very little direct traffic.
With the 787, it offers a smaller aircraft with enough range (787-8) plus provide enough capacity on those short-haul regional routes (787-3). Now if KE opt for this route only KE's top brass know this.

Of course, additional A332/333s or the A350 is an alternative but Airbus has yet to formally launch the latter type and the all variants are a little weighty to replace the AB6 one-on-one. I am not sure KE wants to wait until early or mid-2010s to replace the remaining AB6 fleet.
 
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RE: Korean Airlines Close To 20+ 787 Deal.

Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:37 pm

Interesting to read the speculation about this.

It's a sunny but cool afternoon here in Seoul and I can confirm that B7E7 information (as that is still what it's being called here) is circulating the office. There as been a lot of B7E7 information moving around here recently, but nothing final yet to come from the VP floor.

Keep speculating folks!

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RE: Korean Airlines Close To 20+ 787 Deal.

Wed Mar 30, 2005 3:01 pm

Quoting Flykal (Reply 22):
Interesting to read the speculation about this.

It's a sunny but cool afternoon here in Seoul and I can confirm that B7E7 information (as that is still what it's being called here) is circulating the office. There as been a lot of B7E7 information moving around here recently, but nothing final yet to come from the VP floor.

Keep speculating folks!

Cheers.

So KL will be ordering the A333??
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RE: Korean Airlines Close To 20+ 787 Deal.

Wed Mar 30, 2005 5:12 pm

Once again................... The B787 kicking A..!  Smile Smile Smile Smile

Lockheed-Martin, please get into the commercial production again. Boeing has no competition available for the 787. Only you guys can come up with something new and different!  Wink
 
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RE: Korean Airlines Close To 20+ 787 Deal.

Wed Mar 30, 2005 7:54 pm

Quoting Aerobalance (Reply 23):
So KL will be ordering the A333??

There is quite abit of speculation on the residual value of the A330-300 after the A350 becomes operational (or even now). So getting more A330-300s may not be such a smart move unless KL plans on running them into the ground. If anything, either the A330s will stop coming or A332s are added.

Quoting Lockheed1011 (Reply 24):
Lockheed-Martin, please get into the commercial production again. Boeing has no competition available for the 787. Only you guys can come up with something new and different

I hope you're ready for the Sh*t Storm coming your way  Smile.
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RE: Korean Airlines Close To 20+ 787 Deal.

Thu Mar 31, 2005 12:48 am

Quoting Lockheed1011 (Reply 24):
Lockheed-Martin, please get into the commercial production again. Boeing has no competition available for the 787. Only you guys can come up with something new and different!

I loved the time when Lockheed was in the ring with Boeing and Airbus.

Boeing (MD) vs. Airbus vs. Lockheed-Martin...CLASSIC!  

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RE: Korean Airlines Close To 20+ 787 Deal.

Thu Mar 31, 2005 4:12 am

Quoting Aerobalance (Reply 23):
So KL will be ordering the A333??

If you don't mind my asking - what does KLM have to do with this thread? And why would KLM want to order A330-300s?

And even if you meant KE (=Korean Air), they already have A330-300s...

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RE: Korean Airlines Close To 20+ 787 Deal.

Thu Mar 31, 2005 5:43 am

Quoting Flykal (Reply 22):
There as been a lot of B7E7 information moving around here recently, but nothing final yet to come from the VP floor.

Then ...Is it a "white" lie?? Big grin he he, typical from some a.net posters.
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At present, this is NOT AN ORDER.

This is for you, Greaser. Please, help us to make a better airliners.net avoiding unnecessary rumours.
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