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New JetBlue Routes With RJ's?

Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:40 pm

What are some of the bets on cities JetBlue will serve with their new RJ's? It was mentioned here at GSP that we would be one of the cities when the RJ order was announced, but who knows? Anyone have any concrete info??
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RE: New JetBlue Routes With RJ's?

Tue Mar 29, 2005 11:11 pm

Before anyone says it.. I will clarify...

The E70/E75/E90/E95 are not RJ but rather mainline jets (even if other airlines use them as Express aircraft).. the RJ are the E35/E40/E45..

Now, I will give 10 guesses for new E90 destinations not currently served...

RIC, RDU, ORF, JAX, PHL, MHT, BWI, CLT, BDL, BNA
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RE: New JetBlue Routes With RJ's?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 12:04 am

Well, I will always hope that they do some kind of BOI-JFK flight. I'm sure they could easily fill a 190 on the route.

But I doubt it.

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RE: New JetBlue Routes With RJ's?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 12:11 am

Heard from one of their pilots that they will bring the E170's to CLE.

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RE: New JetBlue Routes With RJ's?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 12:30 am

ERJ170: Thank you for correcting him before he gets flamed by the E190/170 fans! Though this topic seems to come up every month! But I'll give it a chance since the search option stinks on A.net
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707guy: Is B6 getting the E170? From my understanding (which can be corrected) they are only getting the E190. Cleveland does seem to be a likely choice for a E190, though it may be lost to CAK with the way things run in NE Ohio lately.

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RE: New JetBlue Routes With RJ's?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 12:38 am

Yeah - E170/E190 whatever it takes....  Smile I couldn't remember which one they ordered. The pilot I talked to said that when they "get the RJ's" they'll be coming to Cleveland.
 
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RE: New JetBlue Routes With RJ's?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 12:40 am

When do those jets start arriving at jetBlue?
 
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RE: New JetBlue Routes With RJ's?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 12:54 am

Quoting 707guy (Reply 5):
Yeah - E170/E190 whatever it takes.... Smile I couldn't remember which one they ordered. The pilot I talked to said that when they "get the RJ's" they'll be coming to Cleveland.

To clarify.. jetBlue is getting the Embraer EMB190XR jets.. supposedly arriving end of 3rd to 4th quarter...
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Wed Mar 30, 2005 12:54 am

I also read that Jetblue would also be flying the E190 from JFK to Bos
 
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Wed Mar 30, 2005 1:05 am

I honestly expect they will chose CAK over CLE for the simple reason that CAK would not only draw from CLE it would also draw from PIT and even CMH as well.
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RE: New JetBlue Routes With RJ's?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 1:37 am

Now, I will give 10 guesses for new E90 destinations not currently served...

RIC, RDU, ORF, JAX, PHL, MHT, BWI, CLT, BDL, BNA


Interesting guesses, ERJ170. I'm not sure I agree with PHL and MHT as these are already highly active WN stations. PHL is obviously a "hub" type focus city for Southwest and MHT is arguably too close to Boston (where B6 is already).

I'd add Portland, Maine to the list though. And perhaps some more midwest cities... it is my understanding that their E190s will have quite a range (I'm not sure about BOI-JFK though!). Certainly anywhere east of the Missouri River could be a consideration!
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RE: New JetBlue Routes With RJ's?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 1:37 am

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 9):
CAK would not only draw from CLE it would also draw from PIT

According to Mapquest,
Pitts. to CAK: Total Est. Time: 1 hour, 59 minutes Total Est. Distance: 119.17 miles

Pitts. to CLE: Total Est. Time: 2 hours, 10 minutes Total Est. Distance: 134.61 miles

11 min. isn't really that much time. CLE could draw from PIT just much as CAK. Plus, PIT could eventually have it's own B6 service, as could CMH. It wouldn't be wise for an airline to bank on drawing pax form other areas, when they might just be drawing from themselves in the near future.

Of larger concern is what kind of deal CAK will offer B6, and will CLE even come close to matching it.
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RE: New JetBlue Routes With RJ's?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 1:42 am

Quoting Richierich (Reply 10):
PHL is obviously a "hub" type focus city for Southwest and MHT is arguably too close to Boston (where B6 is already)

Didn't Neeleson state MHT in his example of cities the E90 could/would travel to?
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Wed Mar 30, 2005 1:45 am

I'd look for the smaller cities in FL, and the cities in the N.E. with little LCC service. So id say JAX, DAB, SRQ, SAV, MYR, PWM, and ill say BTV gets the 190's in exchange for frequency. Thats my pick for round 1.
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Wed Mar 30, 2005 1:46 am

In the Boston Globe after Jetblue announced a major expansion of flights from Boston to the westcoast. The article mentioned that Jetblue would be using their E190's Bos to JFK and possibily MHT JFK as well. However I agree that PVM would be an excellent E190 route for Jetblue. I wonder if they would add additional flights between BTV and JFK with the E190's?
 
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Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:03 am

Although not likely any time soon, the E170 would be just the right tool should jetBlue decide to attack the network carriers on all fronts. The E190 itself is a move away from the "cherry picking" model, the E170 would be the next step if B6 wants to become a "NG legacy" carrier - a company that does what all the others are failing so miserably at.

Not a serious conjecture, just food for thought.

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Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:08 am

What about GYY? It's close to Chicago and there is no congestion.
 
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RE: New JetBlue Routes With RJ's?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:17 am

Quoting Blackhawk144 (Reply 2):
Well, I will always hope that they do some kind of BOI-JFK flight. I'm sure they could easily fill a 190 on the route.

The only problem would be getting back from JFK with headwinds

Quoting 707guy (Reply 3):
Heard from one of their pilots that they will bring the E170's to CLE.

CLE is likely, but with E190s as B6 is not getting E170s.

BTW, since when is a 100 seat plane an RJ? Seriously, the E190 is the same size as a DC-9, which no one calls an RJ.
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RE: New JetBlue Routes With RJ's?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:21 am

Quoting JFKviaPHX (Reply 16):
What about GYY?

LMAO, thats a good one, you made my day.

I'm not going to mince words, so I apologize in advance if I offend anyone, but Gary is the ghetto. I think B6 would much rather hold their breath waiting for ORD or MDW than going into GYY.
 
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Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:22 am

I have heard from an employee that BWI is one of the first routes.

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Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:23 am

Why not PIT, the only JFK service we have is a DL CRJ 200 once a day.
 
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Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:25 am

A higher up at work was telling me how the state can't wait for us to leave the gates that we currently hold on the C pier in order for B6 to possibly begin flight to BWI. The feeling that I got from them was that because of that we'd be holding on to them until it was no longer economically viable.

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Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:25 am

I consulted a pilot who flies for B6, and he seemed pretty sure that CLT would be getting a 190XR.
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Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:42 am

First routes will be JFK-BOS $100 r/t

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RE: New JetBlue Routes With RJ's?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:46 am

Quoting 707guy (Reply 3):

I didn't realize B6 pilots were involved in route selection or marketing. In my experience, any time you hear a crewmember telling you where the airline will be flying to next, it's usually the place theyd like to see the airline fly to. Very rarely does it ever have any credibility.

FL has 3x daily CAK-LGA service, who would want to fly to JFK? CLE is going to protect CO at all costs, why would they let B6 in to hurt the CLE-EWR and CLE-LGA monopolies that CO enjoys? Unless the powers that be at CLE suddenly see the light, there's no credible reason to think B6 will be coming in any time soon.
 
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Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:52 am

AUS and SAT are also said to be near the very top of the list.
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RE: New JetBlue Routes With RJ's?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 3:05 am

PWM will be getting the E-190s. not sure when but fairly soon once the new jets come online. PWM would also benefit with the JETBLUE A-320 as well. BTV has them,and PWM has more passengers than BTV.
 
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RE: New JetBlue Routes With RJ's?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 3:35 am

Everyone seems to be focusing on routes out of JFK, what about some routes out of LGB?
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RE: New JetBlue Routes With RJ's?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 3:37 am

Quoting Nycfuturepilot (Reply 27):
what about some routes out of LGB?

As far as I know, LGB is slot restricted and full.. therefore, no new LGB unless some other flights are exchanged.. same with BUR, ONT..

If anything, I would say "how about some routes out of OAK"..
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Wed Mar 30, 2005 3:44 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 1):
Before anyone says it.. I will clarify...

The E70/E75/E90/E95 are not RJ but rather mainline jets (even if other airlines use them as Express aircraft).. the RJ are the E35/E40/E45..

And before anyone else says it, I will clarify...

ERJ170 should be referred to as EJ170Big grin

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RE: New JetBlue Routes With RJ's?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 3:51 am

Quoting Mikey711MN (Reply 29):
ERJ170 should be referred to as EJ170

I know.. I wanted to be renamed EMB170 but I would have to cancel this account and open another one.. and everyone already loves/hates me as ERJ170.. so what do I do.. its such a catch 21
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RE: New JetBlue Routes With RJ's?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 3:59 am

If anything, I would say "how about some routes out of OAK"..

Sorry, ERJ170 - I'm not trying to pick on you.
I believe JetBlue had made it known that the Embraers were going to be operated on the East Coast only (and midwest, when they finally fly there).
I don't think they plan on having any stationed in CA.

Who knows about MHT. And I agree with Toltommy that you can't go with what a pilot says... they usually have very little input into the airport decision making process!
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RE: New JetBlue Routes With RJ's?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 4:03 am

Quoting Richierich (Reply 31):
Sorry, ERJ170 - I'm not trying to pick on you.

No worries RichieRich.. I wasn't stating any notions of E190 based out of OAK (although there probably will be some at some point I believe)..

What I was trying to say is that there wouldn't be any flights to LGB cause it was full/at capacity.. that if any transcons were to occur, they would more than likely be at OAK and not LGB.. that's all..

But all is well with the world so no worries..
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Wed Mar 30, 2005 4:09 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 30):
its such a catch 21

You mean 22? Big grin

As far as CLE, I actually think it's a good possibility. We have alot more potential for a New York route with people connecting than CAK, I think, seeing as CAK has FL on that route. CLE needs some low fares to New York and Florida and B6 would be perfect for it. I'd love to fly on an E190 as well. I'm flying US DCA-CLE on an E170 in May... err well hopefully, they already downgraded the CLE-DCA from a 170 to a CRJ on me.
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RE: New JetBlue Routes With RJ's?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 5:44 am

TOLtommy,

Your words are so true, so true.
Everyone heards a employee say something and takes it for the truth.
Seriously, we discuss this on a weekly basis, and there is basically no hint of credible truth.

You could any airport official with a 6,000 ft runway and they hope B6 will show up.

Again, all hypothetical guesses. Anyone with any sort of industry knowledge could guess where they might show up, theres so many possibilities.

Until we get further information, no one knows a whole lot.
 
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RE: New JetBlue Routes With RJ's?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 5:50 am

Well i want to make some guesses too

YUL YYZ ORD JAX BNA DFW IAH DTW CMH IAD

(from JFK)

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RE: New JetBlue Routes With RJ's?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 6:11 am

MHT will not happen seeing as there is no space right now gate wise, the only way you'd see B6 there is if US or UA went under and WN did not take all or any of the open gates.
 
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RE: New JetBlue Routes With RJ's?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 6:24 am

SYR will be one of the first, I believe. SYR has performed well, but we'd be much better off with 6x E190 rather than 3x A320. Also, don't forget that it's said there will be craploads of point to point services started from the Upstate airports. Should SYR get some p2p services with the E190, MCO will without a doubt be on the short list- the second highest O&D destination from SYR, and we only get a Saturday non-stop with US Airways. I personally would like to see FLL, as well as MCO. Wouldn't complain if we get a LAS service, but it's highly unlikely with B6.
 
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Wed Mar 30, 2005 6:25 am

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Wed Mar 30, 2005 6:26 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 28):
As far as I know, LGB is slot restricted and full.. therefore, no new LGB unless some other flights are exchanged.. same with BUR, ONT..

None of the LAWA (Los Angeles World Airports) airports have slot restrictions, which include ONT and LAX and two without commercial service, Van Nuys and Palmdale. Burbank does not have slot restrictions, but it does have restricted hours and a lack of gates and facilities.

I still think the new smaller planes will go to upstate New York, since they are required to serve those cities and they would be able to offer more daily flights on those short hops. The A320 is not as efficient as the 737 for very short hops so the Embraer will not cost too much fuel efficientcy. On the other hand, I did not think that they would move into BUR. That means that they are less interested in efficientcy and are focusing on grabbing market share.
 
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RE: New JetBlue Routes With RJ's?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 7:05 am

What about SAT or AUS ? The only NS flights to NYC are COs 2 daily 737s to EWR
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RE: New JetBlue Routes With RJ's?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 7:23 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 32):
that if any transcons were to occur, they would more than likely be at OAK and not LGB.. that's all..

The E190s would not be doing those transcons, because they don't have the range or the seat-mile cost to do them

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 32):
What I was trying to say is that there wouldn't be any flights to LGB cause it was full/at capacity..

It is nowhere near actual field capacity, only artificial, NIMBY capacity

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 39):
The A320 is not as efficient as the 737 for very short hops so the Embraer will not cost too much fuel efficientcy.

The E190 is more fuel efficient than the A320 or 737 as it is a much lighter aircraft. The seat-mile cost is higher, because of cost to lift, but trip costs are much lower.

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 39):
On the other hand, I did not think that they would move into BUR. That means that they are less interested in efficientcy and are focusing on grabbing market share.

There is nothing about BUR that affects efficiency (unless you have conditions forcing alternate operations), except that it is much more efficient for passengers. They are trying to grab the business heavy yields out of BUR

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 28):
As far as I know, LGB is slot restricted and full.. therefore, no new LGB unless some other flights are exchanged.. same with BUR, ONT..

LGB and SNA are the only two commercial airports in Southern CA that are slot restricted. ONT is most definately not restricted, LAWA is trying to pull more capacity there.
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Wed Mar 30, 2005 7:31 am

I wanted to be renamed EMB170

It is....just look at the data tag attached to the tail.
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RE: New JetBlue Routes With RJ's?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 8:11 am

Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 37):
SYR will be one of the first, I believe. SYR has performed well, but we'd be much better off with 6x E190 rather than 3x A320. Also, don't forget that it's said there will be craploads of point to point services started from the Upstate airports. Should SYR get some p2p services with the E190, MCO will without a doubt be on the short list- the second highest O&D destination from SYR, and we only get a Saturday non-stop with US Airways. I personally would like to see FLL, as well as MCO. Wouldn't complain if we get a LAS service, but it's highly unlikely with B6.

SYR will definitely get the 190, but I doubt they will go with 6 flts per day as JFK is still slot restricted from 3-8pm until 2007. They may get 4 flts per day, as demand will decrease with the addition of direct service to MCO. The terminal at JFK is going to be really hard pressed to handle the frequency demands of the 190 till the new terminal comes on line in 2008. I see B6 using the 190 for pt to pt service. SYR should get 2 per day to BOS, 1 per day to MCO increasing to 2 per day in the winter, with the addition of 1 per day to TPA & FLL for the season. LAS at 1849nm is dependant on range restrictions. With the recent increase in range on the 190 to 2300nm, much will depend on head winds and reserve requirements. Since the winter jetstream can get up to 160mph and usually only dips down east of the midwest, it could definitely put a crimp on any flt of that distance.
 
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RE: New JetBlue Routes With RJ's?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:00 am

ORF, JAX, and CLT will be my guesses. My inside source at ORF said that they have added in a new jetway because that is where jetblue will go. dont know how accurate that is though.
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RE: New JetBlue Routes With RJ's?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:13 am

MHT is to add three new gates this year. This will expand the B gates to 6. Also several gates are under utilized. This doesnot mean MHT will get Jetblue service. I agree PWM would be an excellent choice especially during the summer season. I would love to see Jetblue or Airtran at MHT. The Union Leader last fall reported that the airline was continuing to talk with several airlines including both Airtran and Jetblue. Independence Air has reduced flights at MHT from 9 to 4. So perhaps this doesnote bode well for hoping to see Jetblue here soon
 
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RE: New JetBlue Routes With RJ's?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:13 am

DTW, ORF, JAX, ORD, STL, BOS (from JFK)

ALso I think BUF/ROC/SYR to maybe MCO/TPA/PBI. I think maybe PBI b/c in FLL they need more gates so why not PBI. They should start some service from their to where they want to go to from FLL but can't right now. I also read that BOS will grow to 100 flts per day in the next couple of years so maybe start out BOS-PBI with the 190's then upgrade to the A320's when they become available from not having to do some routes relieved by the 190's.

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RE: New JetBlue Routes With RJ's?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 11:38 am

How about DAY! Forget CMH, CVG and IND. Come to DAY and you can draw from all three areas. To much competition at those three airports to deal with. Come to DAY and you could dominate the joint! FL is to timid to really ramp up and try different things at DAY.
 
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RE: New JetBlue Routes With RJ's?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 11:48 am

What would be the advantages/disadvantages of establishing a E190 base at IAD? Could the A terminal be reconfigured for E190's if Flyi goes belly up (I hope not, as they have made it much easier to get out of DC for reasonable prices)?
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RE: New JetBlue Routes With RJ's?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 11:50 am

Couple years ago, in an article from Aviation Week, someone from JetBlue mentioned that the reason to get RJ is to be able to access to cities that cannot fill an Airbus such as ICT and a couple other cities that i dont remember..... considering the city of Wichita has the history of throwing money to attract air services, especially carriers like B6 who might fly to JFK where no non-stop service is available now... ICT could be one of the early destination for B6's RJs...

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