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Paris CDG - A Viewing Location

Wed Mar 30, 2005 6:59 am

I am doing some research on viewing the movements at CDG very close to the airport and without the need to venture around the perimeter. I've got the following map:



Location 3, also with the red arrow pointing at it, is described, on Scramble, as:

"You can stand on the road here to see most of the traffic, this is by far the best place if you're only interested in writing numbers, as you can also see most of the traffic at Aérogare 1."

Is this the best area from which to watch the AF movements? Would I be able to view most of AF's movements, while on-stand or while taxiing, from this location?

Location 4 is described, on the same site, as:

"On top of the TGV station, you have a couple of spots where you can see the parked aircraft, not good for photos, due to a lot of construction work taking place.

Would it be possible to keep track of most of AF's movements by visiting these two locations?
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RE: Paris CDG - A Viewing Location

Wed Mar 30, 2005 7:50 am

Pe@rson,

By far the best place will be spot 2 : it's in front of terminal 2B and you'll have a view on the traffic taxiing on TWYs F and N north/southbound and TWY E, parallel to terminal 2.There is a place there which is nowadays called "Spotters'corner" by AF aircrews.
The best way to reach it is via the airport shuttle, leave at T3/RER terminal.There,the Hilton hotel faces car park F (only for AF crews).walk to the south for 50 m and you'll be there.Some nice pics can be made of the 'planes over the bridge.
It is also the best place for meeting aviation enthusiasts.

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RE: Paris CDG - A Viewing Location

Wed Mar 30, 2005 10:42 pm

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 3):
Sorry if my French is poor!

And what exactly makes you think that your French is poor? It is perfectly understandable and clear! Congrats!  bigthumbsup 

I hate to quote myself, but here's a thread that discusses the subject...
Spotting At CDG (by AlitaliaMD11 Mar 27 2005 in Aviation Polls & Prefs)

Cheers,

Y.
 
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RE: Paris CDG - A Viewing Location

Wed Mar 30, 2005 11:08 pm

Thanks, Y!  Smile

I have been to CDG twice before, but not for a few years.

So you've basically agreed with Pihero? He put:

Quoting Pihero (Reply 1):
By far the best place will be spot 2 : it's in front of terminal 2B and you'll have a view on the traffic taxiing on TWYs F and N north/southbound and TWY E, parallel to terminal 2.There is a place there which is nowadays called "Spotters'corner" by AF aircrews.
The best way to reach it is via the airport shuttle, leave at T3/RER terminal.There,the Hilton hotel faces car park F (only for AF crews).walk to the south for 50 m and you'll be there.Some nice pics can be made of the 'planes over the bridge.
It is also the best place for meeting aviation enthusiasts.

Please tell me: will I see a lot of AF machines from this location? Do you know whether 26s or 08s are mainly used for AF?

Which other runways are normally used: the 27s or 09s?

Will I see the vast majority of all the aircraft movements?

Thanks a lot!
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RE: Paris CDG - A Viewing Location

Wed Mar 30, 2005 11:16 pm

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 5):
Please tell me: will I see a lot of AF machines from this location?

More than any human eye can take.  Smile

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 5):
Do you know whether 26s or 08s are mainly used for AF?

I haven't the faintest idea. Look, I'm a beginner, here.  Wink

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 5):
Will I see the vast majority of all the aircraft movements?

No. For that, you'll have to go from T3's parking lot to the bridge, back and forth. Well, from what I understand.

Maybe you can look for "Le Cédégé" on the internet. They have at least one detailed map of CDG. I have it, but it's a paper map.

I agree with Pihero about how to get there. Though I still think that going to T3 and walking from there is the best way to spot a/c. T2 is a bit too big, in my opinion.

When will you be at CDG?

Cheers,

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RE: Paris CDG - A Viewing Location

Wed Mar 30, 2005 11:34 pm

Thanks, Yann. It's such a shame CDG doesn't just have a big terrace, like at AMS or FRA.  Silly All these directions and instructions are confusing!  Silly

Well, I fly to CAI on 8th June (LHR-AMS-CAI-AMS-LHR = 1x 763, 2x M11, 1x 739 Big grin ), so I MIGHT go to CDG on the 5th or 6th for a couple of days. Good fares from LHR on BD and AF, though slightly more expensive on BA, with U2 currently being half the price of the second least expensive option. Nothing's definite yet, mind, but I will certainly look into it.

Dumb question, but is T3 the new name for T9? I ask because when I was last at CDG (think I flew KLM uk AT7!) it was T9.

T3 is pretty much where the '2' is on the map, above, isn't it?

Do you know how many AF machines are based at ORY? I have been to ORY once or twice, but, again, a few years ago. I recall it being easy to see the aircraft from the older terminal (lots of glass), but is it possible to see most of the AF machines from this location (AF uses the other terminal)?
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RE: Paris CDG - A Viewing Location

Wed Mar 30, 2005 11:52 pm

NOoooooooooo!

Not the same spot at all.Y's would be close to number 8.

As for MY favourite place : supposing you took the shuttle to T3/RER :identify the Hilton hotel,leave it on your right.cross the street towards the car park.Turn left and walk along the fence ;at the cross roads,you turn right.there's a grassy platform made just for your viewing pleasure.

Depending on the wind and the runway system,

On a westerly set-up, you'll see the southbound departures from T1 taxy on twy F-closest to you and the AF/BA...arrivals from the north using F and then turning into twy E and then their terminal assigned bay...AF northern departures will take the twy N which is parallel to F.

Ifv the Runway sys is east, the flow is reversed , except for E ..

OK. Now a general info on how the runways are used.:

Westerly : takeoffs on 26R and 27L. Landings on 26L and 27L.
Easterly : takeoffs on 08L and 09R. Landings on 08R and 09R
so,you see, you'd have a chance of seeing the whole fleet there.

Enjoy!
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RE: Paris CDG - A Viewing Location

Thu Mar 31, 2005 12:14 am

Quoting Pihero (Reply 8):
As for MY favourite place : supposing you took the shuttle to T3/RER :identify the Hilton hotel,leave it on your right.cross the street towards the car park.Turn left and walk along the fence ;at the cross roads,you turn right.there's a grassy platform made just for your viewing pleasure.

Thanks. From this spot, would I be able to see lots of AF machines, both narrowbodies and widebodies? I want to, you see.

Also, some of the runways be clearly visible? How far would they be?

Thanks again.
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RE: Paris CDG - A Viewing Location

Thu Mar 31, 2005 12:42 am

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 9):
Thanks. From this spot, would I be able to see lots of AF machines, both narrowbodies and widebodies? I want to, you see.

Oooooh yes. Till the AF livery makes you throw up. A32X-330-340 and B747-777. Perhaps a 737.

 Smile

Enjoy.

And definitely agree with Pihero about the "observation lawns", as well. Very convenient. Very windy, at times, but ideal if you like jet blast...

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RE: Paris CDG - A Viewing Location

Thu Mar 31, 2005 12:45 am

LOL. This truly is very confusing.

When you put:

Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 10):
And definitely agree with Pihero about the "observation lawns", as well. Very convenient. Very windy, at times, but ideal if you like jet blast...

Is this the same as:

Quoting Pihero (Reply 8):
As for MY favourite place : supposing you took the shuttle to T3/RER :identify the Hilton hotel,leave it on your right.cross the street towards the car park.Turn left and walk along the fence ;at the cross roads,you turn right.there's a grassy platform made just for your viewing pleasure.

Which is pretty much spot 2 on the map?

I hope I am right. LOL.

----

Could you confirm that T9 is now T3, or am I mistaken?

Wouldn't it be FANTASTIC if T1 and T2 at CDG had EXCELLENT terraces?  Wink
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RE: Paris CDG - A Viewing Location

Thu Mar 31, 2005 12:55 am

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 11):
When you put:

Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 10):
And definitely agree with Pihero about the "observation lawns", as well. Very convenient. Very windy, at times, but ideal if you like jet blast...

Is this the same as:

Quoting Pihero (Reply 8):
As for MY favourite place : supposing you took the shuttle to T3/RER :identify the Hilton hotel,leave it on your right.cross the street towards the car park.Turn left and walk along the fence ;at the cross roads,you turn right.there's a grassy platform made just for your viewing pleasure.

Yes, I think it's the same area. You're basically walking between spots 2 and 8.

Yes, T3 is the former T9. No idea why they called it T9.  Smile

T3 is the charter terminal. It looks like a barn. Nothing to do in it. But spotting around it is very nice. At sunrise when the runway just behind it is used (don't ask me which one it is), you can catch some beautiful landings... An AA 777, all shiny in sunrise, is something to see...

Nothing like ORY's observation deck, though. Ah, those were they days, days I never got to know...  Wink

Cheers,

Y.

PS : CDG is confusing for Parisians as well, so no worries, you're not alone.
 
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RE: Paris CDG - A Viewing Location

Thu Mar 31, 2005 1:02 am

LOL thanks. I have been to T9 before. Man it was dead! I seem to recall seeing an apron near it and some parked machines. Don't remember any more details, though.

OK, last two questions for now:

Is it all very easy and obvious to find between spots 2 and 8?

Do a lot of aircraft - AF and otherwise - pass close-by?
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RE: Paris CDG - A Viewing Location

Thu Mar 31, 2005 1:24 am

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 13):
Is it all very easy and obvious to find between spots 2 and 8?

O-kay. Keep in mind that you're in France. Nothing's easy and obvious, here.  Wink So. Get off at RER CDG 1. Head for T3 Exit. Once you step out of the station, you're at the bus stop, where the shuttles stop and start. Make a diagonal left through the bus terminal onto the main road. Walk along this wide road (beware of cars, no sidewalks). Walk past the Hilton (it will be on your left), and you can't miss the lawns. A few hundred yards ahead, you'll see the taxiway bridging over the road. You can climb the lawns on your right to see parked aircrafts. Or cut through the big flat lawn on your left to see the runway. Wear dirty shoes, it's March, the lawns will be muddy.

You'll be in the middle of 2 and 8.  Smile

I hope I make myself understood...  Smile

As for your last question, yes, lots of aircrafts pass by. Lots and lots.

Cheers,

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RE: Paris CDG - A Viewing Location

Thu Mar 31, 2005 1:30 am

How come I can't send you a message?

Take care,

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RE: Paris CDG - A Viewing Location

Thu Mar 31, 2005 1:50 am

Thanks a lot, Y. You will be on my respected users list.  Smile I must comment on your excellent English!
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RE: Paris CDG - A Viewing Location

Thu Mar 31, 2005 1:55 am

My turn to LOL!!!

Oh, and Y stands for Yann!  Smile

Thank you for putting my humble self into your RU list, I shall return the favor immediately. Big grin

So why can't we send you any personal messages? Are you making a point at keeping your privacy?  Silly

Have a nice, sunny and full of AF a/c stay in Paris, my friend!

Bienvenue à Paris.

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RE: Paris CDG - A Viewing Location

Thu Mar 31, 2005 1:57 am

Position number 5 is my favourate when I was in Europe 1988-1992. Rent a car if you can, and move around and tell us where is the bet place to go now.
 
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RE: Paris CDG - A Viewing Location

Thu Mar 31, 2005 1:59 am

Quoting AXESS (Reply 18):
Rent a car if you can

Cheaper to ride the (free) shuttles, buddy!

 Smile

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RE: Paris CDG - A Viewing Location

Thu Mar 31, 2005 3:25 am

http://www.kerozen.org/

^ the above link provides some extremely useful information as well as some important spotting tips (like not parking where you're not supposed to if you're driving a car).

For photography, keep in mind that the spot at the // (parallel) taxiways is good for the morning only.


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RE: Paris CDG - A Viewing Location

Thu Mar 31, 2005 3:28 am

AXESS,

If you have a car,go to my "action "spot,which is on the extreme right of Pe@rson's map where there is an orange line.On the eastern side of that road is a knoll you can climb on to,giving you a full view of the 08-26 runways. depending on the wind,you could make some truly interesting shots of T/O's or landings.On Concorde's last flight,there was a traffic jam there.Litterally thousands of people to watch the last appearance of la grande dame.

Or you could walk/drive to spot 9 for the rwy scene.you can park on the roadside,as the gendarmes are quite tolerant of aviation fans.
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RE: Paris CDG - A Viewing Location

Thu Mar 31, 2005 11:46 am

Thanks everyone for the helpful information. I will be at the CDG Hilton for one night in July on my way to Spain for a couple weeks for a conference. I have been hunting around the web for spotting information around the Hilton and this thread has provided exactly what I was looking for!

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RE: Paris CDG - A Viewing Location

Fri Apr 01, 2005 8:24 am

Bonjour again,

Assuming I flew AF and then deplaned at CDG, could I stay airside and view the movements at all the 2s from airside?
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RE: Paris CDG - A Viewing Location

Fri Apr 01, 2005 8:30 am

thanks pe@rson for getting this topic at the top again , lol. i will go to the hilton if i can catch an earlier flight than the supposed one, trough a shame i won't be on the 737-900 then, but hey, maybe an AF 737-500 wich will be out the fleet soon instead.....
 
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RE: Paris CDG - A Viewing Location

Fri Apr 01, 2005 8:34 am

Pe@rson,hello again.

If you stayed airside in terminal 2 F,you'll have a view of the T2 ramp and its movements; Of course,you will miss the A, C, E side.
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RE: Paris CDG - A Viewing Location

Fri Apr 01, 2005 8:38 am

Thanks Pihero.

Guess it'd be best not to stay airside, then.

Could you possibly tell me which type of flight, i.e. domestic, other European, long-haul, etc., uses which part of T2?

Cheers!
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RE: Paris CDG - A Viewing Location

Fri Apr 01, 2005 9:05 am

Pe@rson,

You got me, difficult to give a prcise answer as we are just about to change our ramp allocations for the summer program.
Roughly,A and C are just long haul terminals, while B,D,F1 are european /medium haul terminals,split into Schengen flights, D, and non-Schengen ,B and F1 (UK,though non-Schengen are treated differently for obvious reasons of numerous connecting passengers.)
F2 also caters for some overseas territories and Africa.

That's at least the basics.It is rather complicated because of the loss of 2E :AF hub was supposed to be built on the compact group of B, D, F,E,C to which the future T3 would be added in 2007. Our inability to use E is quite a load on the efficiency of the actual set-up.


Hope this helped.

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RE: Paris CDG - A Viewing Location

Fri Apr 01, 2005 9:46 am

How is the Sheraton at CDG to spot. It seems to be in a great location, would you have a good view of the runways?



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RE: Paris CDG - A Viewing Location

Fri Apr 01, 2005 1:04 pm

Views from the Sheraton are more like general views, but not good for photography ... a little too far. I stayed in one room once (room 337) and had a small view of the end of Terminal 2C but more so of the area between 2E and 2C.
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RE: Paris CDG - A Viewing Location

Thu Apr 07, 2005 8:49 pm

Hi people,
just a question: i will probably come to the Bourget Aerosalon in June.
For spotting is the grassy platform near the RER station still existing. I remember from my last visit that they were building a car parking...
And another question: From Beauvais there's a bus traveling to CDG?
Thanx from Milan.
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RE: Paris CDG - A Viewing Location

Fri Apr 08, 2005 1:02 am

Glad I found this post, I will be at CDG and ORY next week April 14, 15, and 16 then off to TLS on the 17th for a few days.

Hope to see some fellow spotters and photographers while there, though the extended forcast doesn't look good for photos.

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RE: Paris CDG - A Viewing Location

Fri Apr 08, 2005 1:26 am

Quoting Mxp (Reply 28):
For spotting is the grassy platform near the RER station still existing. I remember from my last visit that they were building a car parking...

Yes it is still there. As open and windy as ever!  Wink

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RE: Paris CDG - A Viewing Location

Fri Apr 08, 2005 4:42 am

Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 10):
Nothing like ORY's observation deck, though. Ah, those were they days, days I never got to know...

Cheers,

You do know that ORY's observation deck can be accessed again ?

Quoting Pihero (Reply 25):
Roughly,A and C are just long haul terminals, while B,D,F1 are european /medium haul terminals,split into Schengen flights, D, and non-Schengen ,B and F1 (UK,though non-Schengen are treated differently for obvious reasons of numerous connecting passengers.)
F2 also caters for some overseas territories and Africa.

Unless I am mistaken, F1 takes care of Schengen flights. And my flights to LHR usually leave from F2, even if we are sometimes bussed to ... a jetway in F1  Smile.

Quoting Pihero (Reply 25):
That's at least the basics.It is rather complicated because of the loss of 2E :AF hub was supposed to be built on the compact group of B, D, F,E,C to which the future T3 would be added in 2007. Our inability to use E is quite a load on the efficiency of the actual set-up

I think it is a typo and that you meant S3.  Smile
 
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RE: Paris CDG - A Viewing Location

Fri Apr 08, 2005 3:58 pm

A question from 25 years ago. I stayed at a hotel called Hotel Arcade or Arcade Hotel, on the airport perimeter at CDG in August of 1980. I remember watching activity nicely from my window. Is this hotel still there? I assume a quarter century later, it must be gone, or named something else, or remodeled.

I have not been to too many major airports in the world, but I think Charles de Gaulle is one of the best in the western world for widebody watching. It really is an International airport in the truest sense.

On that note, I remember arriving at CDG in 1980 and was amazed to see all the exotic passengers streaming through the airport - especially from the African countries that do a lot of business with France - with their colorful robes and head dress. You didn't see that in Toronto at that time. I remember remarking to my father that the scene in there reminded me of the bar/tavern scene in Star Wars.
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