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All Cigarette Lighters Banned Passed TSA

Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:25 am

Cigarette lighters have now been added to the list of items banned beyond airport checkpoints by the Transportation security Administration (TSA).

This policy will be enforced from April 14, 2005, and will cover all kinds of lighters, including butane, absorbed fuel (Zippo type), electric/battery operated and novelty lighters. You will not be able to carry them on your person or in carry on luggage beyond the security barriers at airports or on aircraft.

Passengers are advised by the TSA to thoroughly inspect their carry on and checked baggage for these items before going to the airport.

So what about the Pilots and FAs? Not to mention the Flight Marshals? Just put the lighter in your pocket . . Most of the time it will not set it off. and for those airports like PHX that do have indoor smoking? or LAS?

http://www.tsa.gov/public/display?theme=40&content=0900051980105a77





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RE: All Cigarette Lighters Banned Passed TSA

Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:58 am

What I don't understand is, if the ban is a result of the Richard Reid incident back in December 2001, if it's such a safety concern, why did it take over four years to implement?

What about matches? That report just mentioned lighters. Are matches still allowed?
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RE: All Cigarette Lighters Banned Passed TSA

Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:59 am

I find this just about the most stupid thing ever. I mean, they say something about........ if that one guy on that AAL flight had a lighter, his bomb would have gone off......... hello it was F*^% C4.............. it needed a damn fuse to go off. If he had a fuse...... a match or lighter would have been suffecient enough to go kaboom.

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RE: All Cigarette Lighters Banned Passed TSA

Wed Mar 30, 2005 10:04 am

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 1):
What I don't understand is, if the ban is a result of the Richard Reid incident back in December 2001, if it's such a safety concern, why did it take over four years to implement?

What about matches? That report just mentioned lighters. Are matches still allowed?

The Richard Reid incident is exactly the reason . . . and yes it took the TSA four flippin' years to do that . . .

Matches in checked luggage have not been authorized for a while . . . carry on was ok. They are out now as well.

More TSA BULLSHIT. That's exactly what it is. . . .

There are other threads on Civ-Av on this subject.

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RE: All Cigarette Lighters Banned Passed TSA

Wed Mar 30, 2005 10:05 am

" if it's such a safety concern, why did it take over four years to implement?
"

We ARE talking about the TSA here, whose collective IQ is 7.
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RE: All Cigarette Lighters Banned Passed TSA

Wed Mar 30, 2005 10:43 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 4):
We ARE talking about the TSA here, whose collective IQ is 7.

And we can spread that around the 39 - that's THIRTY NINE - of them working ANC B/C Concourse last Thursday when I arrived from work. Oh, that's only 1 side of the B/C Concourse . . . three machines . . . the other side was shut down . . .

And, yes, I stood there counting every damn one of 'em.

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RE: All Cigarette Lighters Banned Passed TSA

Wed Mar 30, 2005 11:07 am

So all those people carrying $500 lighters now have to leave them at home?

All those ST Dupont, Cartier lighters are status symbols too. So one has to leave them at home and not carry them to the US?

Definitely that place is going to the way of the dodo.
 
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RE: All Cigarette Lighters Banned Passed TSA

Wed Mar 30, 2005 11:13 am

Talk about making life difficult for smokers, geez. First they cut smoking on planes...understandable. Then they banned smoking in terminals and concourses, again understandable. Most restaurants and bars inside security banned smoking, which left a few smoking lounges in some airports or outside, not great if you smoke but not that big of a deal . Now if you want to smoke you have to wait until the nearest gas station outside of the airport property to get matches or a lighter? That's just stupid.

All the lighters they confiscate, they should put in a basket and have available as you exit the airport. You won't end up with the lighter you bought, but at least you wouldn't have to buy another one after you landed.
 
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RE: All Cigarette Lighters Banned Passed TSA

Wed Mar 30, 2005 11:29 am

You're allowed 3-4 books of matches in your carryon and in the cabin I believe.. i'ts just lighters that are banned.

Previously, lighters were banned in the checked luggage, but matches were okay. I do believe they are still okay as checked luggage.

Correct me if I'm wrong (with a link please!)
 
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Wed Mar 30, 2005 11:38 am

The banned lighters they will confiscate will end up with 100 million fingernail clippers, 55 milloin metal combs, 32 million fingernail files, 115 knives and 47 guns they got since TSA started 4 years ago.

Of course they have solved the underwire bra "weapons" problem they were feeling women up for over the last year. They determined the A, B, and C cup wires are to small and light weight to be a problem. But if she is wearing a D cup bra, or larger, watch out because she is a real threat. Everyone knows that terrorist only use D cup and larger bras.

And the all smoke using their Bics.

Remember the lady they forced to drink her baby's formular bottle because they wanted to see inside the bottle?

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Wed Mar 30, 2005 11:40 am

I saw the sign about the lighters in the ATL atrium on Sunday. I think it said you're allowed upto 3 matchboxes.
 
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RE: All Cigarette Lighters Banned Passed TSA

Wed Mar 30, 2005 12:15 pm

A little off topic but...

Just out of curiosity. It would be interesting to find out the statistics between the number of air rage incidents before and after the smoking bans on aircraft. Did it stay the same, go up maybe even go down?

The reason why I'm asking is because I know a lot of smokers who, if they don't light up after a few hours, get quite aggressive. So I would imagine that they could pose a possible problem on long haul flights.

What do you guys think?
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RE: All Cigarette Lighters Banned Passed TSA

Wed Mar 30, 2005 1:00 pm

I had to laugh passing through US Customs in YYZ last week. There were signs stating that lighters will be removed by CATSA (our version of TSA, and if you think Thousands Standing Around is cool, you should hear what we make of out CATSA).

So after passing Security, I see at the newsstand, that lighters are still for sale for all those US bound passengers to purchase for use inside the secure areas of US airports when they arrive!

.....arrrghhgh
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RE: All Cigarette Lighters Banned Passed TSA

Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:59 pm

Remember, banning lighters wasn't the TSA's idea. It was Congress' idea. And Congress wants to ban matches on planes. TSA has balked at that, because screening passengers for matches would involve opening bags and pat downs.

Match books have a staple that holds the matches to the cover, but there is no metal whatsoever in a box of kitchen matches.

If the French had done their job and kept Richard Reid off the CDG-MIA flight, we wouldn't have to take off our shoes or deal with the issue of how to light a cigarette after getting off the plane.
 
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RE: All Cigarette Lighters Banned Passed TSA

Wed Mar 30, 2005 3:01 pm

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 13):
If the French had done their job and kept Richard Reid off the CDG-MIA flight, we wouldn't have to take off our shoes or deal with the issue of how to light a cigarette after getting off the plane.

Of course, blame the French!  crazy 
 
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RE: All Cigarette Lighters Banned Passed TSA

Wed Mar 30, 2005 3:09 pm

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 13):
Well, banning lighters wasn't the TSA's idea. It was Congress' idea

And signed by the president. Gee, talk about collective IQ of 7.... Big grin Love 'em or hate 'em, TSA didn't come up with this one...
 
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RE: All Cigarette Lighters Banned Passed TSA

Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:18 pm

Quoting Squirrel83 (Thread starter):
Cigarette lighters have now been added to the list of items banned beyond airport checkpoints by the Transportation security Administration (TSA).

Wern't all sources of Ignition/fire Banned Earlier.
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RE: All Cigarette Lighters Banned Passed TSA

Thu Mar 31, 2005 2:53 am

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 13):
If the French had done their job and kept Richard Reid off the CDG-MIA flight, we wouldn't have to take off our shoes or deal with the issue of how to light a cigarette after getting off the plane.

If security at BOS and elsewhere had done their job... need I say more?  irked  You could say the same for a lot of similar things - we can't blame the French for everything, despite the fun that brings  Wink !

That reminds me, just when are we going to get those bombproof cargo bins? Are they still too expensive/heavy/sensible?

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RE: All Cigarette Lighters Banned Passed TSA

Thu Mar 31, 2005 3:21 am

Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 8):
Previously, lighters were banned in the checked luggage, but matches were okay. I do believe they are still okay as checked luggage.

Correct me if I'm wrong (with a link please!)

Lighters are banned in checked bags...apparently they always have been. I didn't know that. Here's the link to the TSA site covering carry-on lighters, it also mentions the checked-bag ban.

And yeah, this was Congress' bright idea, not TSAs, so for once we can't blame them.

Even if they weren't banned in checked bags, I wouldn't bring my good Colibri anyway - I've already had things stolen out of my bag. I just buy an el-cheapo on the other end and toss it. (I only smoke cigars occasionally - if i was a cig smoker, I'd just live with the matches when travelling.)
 
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RE: All Cigarette Lighters Banned Passed TSA

Thu Mar 31, 2005 7:41 am

We should just fly naked. Or maybe be naked when we get to the airport then the TSA can give us a robe to wear on the plane. The robe program would cost $1.2 billion to impliment.
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RE: All Cigarette Lighters Banned Passed TSA

Thu Mar 31, 2005 7:44 am

Quoting Cmhsrq (Reply 19):
We should just fly naked

Good idea, think how much the airlines would save on fuel costs with all that extra weight gone!  Wink
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RE: All Cigarette Lighters Banned Passed TSA

Thu Mar 31, 2005 8:01 am

Quoting Geoffm (Reply 17):
If security at BOS and elsewhere had done their job...

They came in through PWM, AFAIK. Really, though, it doesn't matter. Someone somewhere dropped the ball and we're still paying for it.

Quoting Geoffm (Reply 17):
That reminds me, just when are we going to get those bombproof cargo bins? Are they still too expensive/heavy/sensible?

Well, there was that one crackpot idea to have a two aircraft system - one to carry the passengers, and another one leaving at the same time to carry the luggage. I don't remember who it was, but I hope I didn't vote for him banghead 
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RE: All Cigarette Lighters Banned Passed TSA

Thu Mar 31, 2005 8:05 am

Quoting Wdleiser (Reply 2):
I find this just about the most stupid thing ever. I mean, they say something about........ if that one guy on that AAL flight had a lighter, his bomb would have gone off......... hello it was F*^% C4.............. it needed a damn fuse to go off. If he had a fuse...... a match or lighter would have been suffecient enough to go kaboom.

Well it would have made a hole in the fuse, maybe... If he had managed to hold his foot hard against the side. But then again maybe not, because there's a lot of insulation between the plastic side and the fuse. And even if it had made a hole, it would hardly have broken the plane in half.
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RE: All Cigarette Lighters Banned Passed TSA

Thu Mar 31, 2005 8:15 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 9):
The banned lighters they will confiscate will end up with 100 million fingernail clippers, 55 milloin metal combs, 32 million fingernail files

What the heck to do they do with all that after they take them??  crazy 
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Thu Mar 31, 2005 8:21 am

Here at RDU there are no smoking areas past security at Terminal A
or Terminal C, just small designated areas outside at curbside.
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RE: All Cigarette Lighters Banned Passed TSA

Thu Mar 31, 2005 8:22 am

Quoting Dragon-wings (Reply 23):

What the heck to do they do with all that after they take them??

You can bet the TSA staff is neatly manicured! Big grin
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RE: All Cigarette Lighters Banned Passed TSA

Thu Mar 31, 2005 9:11 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 5):
And we can spread that around the 39 - that's THIRTY NINE - of them working ANC B/C Concourse last Thursday when I arrived from work. Oh, that's only 1 side of the B/C Concourse . . . three machines . . . the other side was shut down . . .

Why does ANYBODY need 13 personnel to staff a single security line? And let me guess: passengers will still waiting on the plastic bins to be carted back to the entry side of the checkpoint.

Unbelievable... But at least we're safer because we can't take lighters with us!
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RE: All Cigarette Lighters Banned Passed TSA

Thu Mar 31, 2005 12:47 pm

Quoting Dragon-wings (Reply 23):
What the heck to do they do with all that after they take them??

Probably use the lighters to light up all the confiscated pot in customs!  drunk 
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Thu Mar 31, 2005 1:22 pm

Next thing the TSA will do is issue Thorzine at the gate.
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RE: All Cigarette Lighters Banned Passed TSA

Thu Mar 31, 2005 4:02 pm

Obviously I'm in the minority here, but I just don't see why it's a good idea to let the general public bring fire on an airplane...If we were allowed to smoke that would be one thing. What else is there to do with lighters/matches on a flight?

I've been to some shady places, but I haven't been to a country yet that doesn't have fire. Lighters cost like less than $1 and matches are usually free.

True story:
When I was a gate supervisor at JI, we had a carryon bag catch on fire in the first class closet on an F100 because an elderly lady had packed these pez dispenser looking lighters in her carryon and one ignited...luckily it happened at the gate during pushback and the lead F/A was smart enough to just open the galley service door and throw the bag out on the ramp. That option is not available at FL350. Fire extinguishers are the next best thing...then the flight probably diverts (hopefully online) and goes AOG for repressurized fire extinguishers. Total cost to the airline: 10's of thousands of $ or more.

Quoting 717-200 (Reply 24):
Here at RDU there are no smoking areas past security at Terminal A
or Terminal C, just small designated areas outside at curbside.

I thought you could smoke in the bars in Term. A? Interesting, that must have changed.
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RE: All Cigarette Lighters Banned Passed TSA

Thu Mar 31, 2005 5:01 pm

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 29):
What else is there to do with lighters/matches on a flight?

It is not per say on the flight, but after the flight. You land in HNL after a nine hour flight from CVG, you want to light up in the open areas of the airport before heading over to baggage claim. How would you be able to do it now? Now, you would have to collect your bags, head over to the rent a car place, stand in line, get a car, depending on the model, it may not have a ashtray or cigarette lighter, drive to the nearest store, then buy a lighter. Maybe you take a shuttle service into Waikiki. Your lucky day, the shuttle is stopping at 12 hotels and your hotel is the last one on the list. It amazes me, there are more pressing issues in this world, and congress acts on this.
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RE: All Cigarette Lighters Banned Passed TSA

Thu Mar 31, 2005 5:52 pm

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 29):
What else is there to do with lighters/matches on a flight?

I'm going to somewhat jump over AAFLT1871's comment on this, and for that I apologize.

I have no use for my lighter on a flight, however, I do occasionally smoke, and I would hope that I could light that smoke with the lighter that I've carried for at least 100K mi of air travel (a Zippo purchased in Ireland) when I arrive at my destination. I've never had a problem with it until recently. I won't give it up. Thank you UPS/FedEx/DHL, etc.

It's not a matter of burning a plane up, but a matter of something that I would consider a comfort factor.

Everyone being afraid of flying right now kinda' sucks. I would much rather walk onto a plane without all of this crazy screening and take my chances, rather than having my civil liberties be kicked out the window like they are right now.

This is a bad time for us flyers... let alone the poor schmuck that goes to watch airplanes at our local airport. We're in a sad state of being.
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RE: All Cigarette Lighters Banned Passed TSA

Fri Apr 15, 2005 12:14 am

Airport Lighter Ban Enforcement Begins Thursday

One mandate of the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004 added butane lighters to the list of items passengers are not allowed to carry on airplanes.

The Transportation Security Administration said the ban was put in place to ensure passenger safety and security.

TSA officials said they don't expect the lighter ban to affect wait times at security checkpoints.

"Travelers are a valuable partner in the screening process," said Rear Adm.


David Stone, USN (Ret.), assistant secretary of Homeland Security. "If they pack smart and avoid bringing lighters to the checkpoint, passengers can accelerate the screening process and allow us to focus on those individuals and items that may be a threat to their flight."

The ban includes butane, absorbed-fuel (Zippo-type), electric/battery-powered and novelty lighters.

TSA officials said travelers are allowed to carry as many as four matchbooks through security checkpoints.

Officials said matchbooks are being allowed past checkpoints and on planes because a match cannot hold a flame as long as a lighter and because it also releases a smell that would alert other travelers and the flight crew.

No matches are permitted in checked baggage
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RE: All Cigarette Lighters Banned Passed TSA

Fri Apr 15, 2005 12:57 am

Quoting AAFLT1871 (Reply 30):
It amazes me, there are more pressing issues in this world, and congress acts on this

There are also more pressing issues than being able to light up a cigarette right after your flight has arrived. Boy, people must be addicted if this is that big a deal to them.

I agree with RDUDDJI that lighters and matches just shouldn't be on an aircraft. The safety of the general public (in the air and on the ground) is much more important than catering to the addictive needs of a bunch of smokers.

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