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American To Service India

Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:59 pm

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1299609,0002.htm

so finally AA has woken up and is planning to fly to the other side of the globe.
Nothing much in this article about AA, but mostly about NW planned MSP-BLR. Pretty much everything we already know, that it is via AMS using A330. The flight is supposed to be loaded in the system, but they're still awaiting approval from Indian Govt.

""Flight (No) 34, effective October 30, leaves Amsterdam at 12:15 pm, and gets in Bangalore at 2:15 am on October 31, flight 33 will depart from Bangalore at 4:15 am and arrive in Amsterdam at 10:40 am," the spokesperson said giving details of their proposed new service."

hope it suits Bangalore-wallas!!
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Wed Mar 30, 2005 10:08 pm

Great news that we might see AA in India!

Will the A330-300 operate NW034 and NW033?

Where might we see the AA route from, BOS,JFK,DFW?

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RE: American To Service India

Wed Mar 30, 2005 10:25 pm

Quoting Hindustan Times:
So far the Northwest passengers to New Delhi and Mumbai were transferred to KLM flights at Amsterdam.

More brilliant investigative journalism!  crazy 
 
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Wed Mar 30, 2005 11:38 pm

Hmmm things are starting to fall into place, it was mentioned in previous posts that AA will more than likely launch service to India from Brussels. I do not think it will be non-stop from the U.S.

Any thoughts?

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RE: American To Service India

Thu Mar 31, 2005 12:01 am

Or.....they could re-instate the ORD-BHX service and continue it on to India, maybe a ORD-BHX-DEL-BHX-ORD, that might be a money maker for them?
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Thu Mar 31, 2005 12:08 am

I really doubt it will be via BHX. AI is starting YYZ-BHX-ATQ-DEL service, and Air Slovakia has low prices from BHX to ATQ/DEL via BTS. They're going to want a stop-over point that is either very large (CDG,FRA?) or has no service to the subcontinent (BRU,DUB?).
 
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RE: American To Service India

Thu Mar 31, 2005 12:19 am

Quoting EmiratesUK (Reply 4):
ORD-BHX-DEL-BHX-ORD

American carriers still can't fly over the 'Stans, can they? This might be a problem for any DEL flight for AA.

Besides, Bombay's a far better place. Not a glorified village like Dilly.  Wink
 
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RE: American To Service India

Thu Mar 31, 2005 12:35 am

The thread headline says American to Service India, yet the article doesn't say that at all. It simply says American was given clearance to offer future flights. There is nothing definitive at this point.
 
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RE: American To Service India

Thu Mar 31, 2005 1:29 am

Quoting Jasepl (Reply 6):
Bombay's a far better place. Not a glorified village like Dilly

Why not Chennai or Bangalore, even Hyderabad? Why doesn't anyone seem to want to break LH 's hold on those places?
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Thu Mar 31, 2005 1:32 am

DIJKKIJK,

Did you miss the part about Northwest going to Bangalore starting October 30?
 
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RE: American To Service India

Thu Mar 31, 2005 1:34 am

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 9):
Did you miss the part about Northwest going to Bangalore starting October 30?

There's enough by way of market in BLR to support both NW and AA, maybe even a few more players!

LH does 7x a week to BLR, FYI. And their A340s are packed to the rafters with US bound traffic.
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RE: American To Service India

Thu Mar 31, 2005 1:51 am

n February, the Northwest Airlines had filed a request with the US Department of Transportation for "broad authority" to serve India with Bangalore being its first destination, the spokesperson said.

Stupid "journalists" have been asleep over the past 10 years.
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RE: American To Service India

Thu Mar 31, 2005 2:36 am

Unlikely that AA will come to India so soon. Remember, getting the rights to fly and actually laying on flights is two different things. Several airlines have rights to fly to India but choose not to. AA is probably putting this into their bag to be used in the future. Right now AA's stated priority has been to expand in China as fast as possible. India will be after they have satisfied the China market and when they find convenient stopver city to route their flights to India.
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Thu Mar 31, 2005 2:38 am

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 10):
And their A340s are packed to the rafters with US bound traffic.

I can vouch for that. I'm wait listed BLR - FRA - BLR in end April, end May, and end June, and I'm OK MAA-FRA-MAA for all those dates! It's just ridiculous. LH should switch the a/c and fly to MAA with the 343 and BLR with the 744.
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RE: American To Service India

Thu Mar 31, 2005 2:47 am

Quoting Skyguy (Reply 12):
India will be after they have satisfied the China market and when they find convenient stopver city to route their flights to India.

by that time it might be too late. All major carriers are expanding in both the markets simultaneously.
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RE: American To Service India

Thu Mar 31, 2005 2:50 am

by that time it might be too late. All major carriers are expanding in both the markets simultaneously.

Not to mention Indian carriers who've finally been given the Green signal by the stupid Govt of India.
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RE: American To Service India

Thu Mar 31, 2005 3:11 am

Quoting B742 (Reply 1):
Where might we see the AA route from, BOS,JFK,DFW?

From what I have been hearing, AA would possibly like to route an India flight via Brussels, which already has non-stops to O'Hare and JFK and may be getting a Miami service soon. However, AA to India is a good 18-24 months away. They did recently apply, and get approved, to fly their own aircraft to India by US DOT. Mumbai is the most likely destination.
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RE: American To Service India

Thu Mar 31, 2005 5:17 am

Yeah seeing how NW uses their own metal to Mumbai
 
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Thu Mar 31, 2005 6:00 am

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 17):
Yeah seeing how NW uses their own metal to Mumbai

When will BOM get their A330
 
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Thu Mar 31, 2005 6:09 am

I would love to see AA operate ORD-BHX-DEL or ORD-BHX-BOM!

What route creates the most passengers, BOM-Europe or DEL-Europe?

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RE: American To Service India

Thu Mar 31, 2005 6:55 am

Would it be a good idea to stop in BRU? Wouldn't it be a good idea to connect in another place that has mor passenger like London, Paris, Frankfurt. What about goin west through Asia. can a T7 do DFW/JFK-NRT-DEL/BOM since they are startin a bucnh of new flight to new places in Asia
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RE: American To Service India

Thu Mar 31, 2005 7:23 am

Quoting B742 (Reply 19):
What route creates the most passengers, BOM-Europe or DEL-Europe?

tough question!! most of the airlines begin with either of the two and quickly launch the other.
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RE: American To Service India

Thu Mar 31, 2005 7:33 am

Quoting Venezuela747 (Reply 20):
Would it be a good idea to stop in BRU? Wouldn't it be a good idea to connect in another place that has mor passenger like London, Paris, Frankfurt.

Getting the rights to fly UK-India is difficult. United did (still does?) have them when they flew LHR-DEL, but it is a lot of red tape to go through.

The Frankfurt-India and Paris-India markets are well served by Air France, Lufthansa, Delta, and Air India (the latter two from both FRA and CDG), and AA has no partners at either.

In Brussels, AA can tap into a market with virtually no service to Asia outside of the Middle East (only Biman Bangladesh to Dhaka), and hub to one of their strongest European partners, SN Brussels. The main market is still US-India, not the European originating passengers, and with O'Hare, JFK, and a possible Miami service to Brussels, they should do fine.
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RE: American To Service India

Thu Mar 31, 2005 8:17 am

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 9):
Why not Chennai or Bangalore, even Hyderabad? Why doesn't anyone seem to want to break LH 's hold on those places?

BLR airport is small relative to other airports in India. It has only 2 jetways and approximately 10-15 aprons. I doubt Bangalore can handle so much international traffic. Bangaloreans will have to wait till the new airport is built in a few years.
 
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Thu Mar 31, 2005 8:30 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 22):
The Frankfurt-India and Paris-India markets are well served by Air France, Lufthansa, Delta, and Air India (the latter two from both FRA and CDG), and AA has no partners at either.

but I still think it will be a chosen between CDG or FRA, as the main market will be US-India, they will have no probs to fill up some seats in CDG or FRA.

DL for example also operated last winter flights from FRA to India without a partner.....
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RE: American To Service India

Thu Mar 31, 2005 8:59 am

Thought AA had CDG-BOM route authority already, thanks to TWA. Did that authority expire? I know TWA had a habit of suspending authorities to preserve them for future use.
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Thu Mar 31, 2005 9:06 am

Quoting Avianca (Reply 24):
but I still think it will be a chosen between CDG or FRA, as the main market will be US-India, they will have no probs to fill up some seats in CDG or FRA.

Exactly. As the main market is between US-India, then they should have no problem filling up a few seats from the local market, regardless of wether it is Paris, Frankfurt, or Brussels. Why bother competing in FRA or CDG, when you can have BRU to yourself. We'll have to wait and see. I wouldn't rule out FRA or CDG, but I think AA will try to enter a new market for itself, maybe even Manchester.
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RE: American To Service India

Thu Mar 31, 2005 9:18 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 26):
Why bother competing in FRA or CDG, when you can have BRU to yourself.

9W was about to start service to JFK via BRU, but changed plans to CDG. That leaves BRU wide open for AA.
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RE: American To Service India

Thu Mar 31, 2005 9:22 am

it is very difficult too say. I do not think AA will enter for this service into a new market due Cargo will be a deciding matter. The US-Europe, Europe-India Cargo market could be play the decisive role, as the east-bound flight from India can be filled up without a problem no matter if Europe or US is the final destination for the freight. I think FRA will get the flight due the power of aircargo.

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RE: American To Service India

Thu Mar 31, 2005 9:24 am

Quoting Venezuela747 (Reply 20):
Would it be a good idea to stop in BRU? Wouldn't it be a good idea to connect in another place that has mor passenger like London, Paris, Frankfurt. What about goin west through Asia. can a T7 do DFW/JFK-NRT-DEL/BOM since they are startin a bucnh of new flight to new places in Asia

AA, unlike UA and NW doesn't have the authority to sell tickets from NRT to anywhere except the US, so they would have to rely soley on custemers transferring from the states, which is a very risky move.
Also, does UA have the rights to fly to India, and if so, from where to where?
 
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RE: American To Service India

Thu Mar 31, 2005 10:02 am

Is ORD-DEL-ORD a bigger market with more yield than ORD-BOM-ORD? Also dont u think it be more beneficial to fly from its ORD hub to India rather than any other of its USA hubs such as JFK-DFW-MIA etc.
 
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RE: American To Service India

Thu Mar 31, 2005 2:19 pm

Quoting Aseem (Reply 21):
tough question!!

Not in the least!

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 30):
Is ORD-DEL-ORD a bigger market with more yield than ORD-BOM-ORD?

Again, the answer's obvious!
 
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Thu Mar 31, 2005 2:36 pm

Quoting Daron4000 (Reply 29):
Also, does UA have the rights to fly to India, and if so, from where to where?

Up until 9.11, United offered a daily "Around the World" service which stopped in India. They flew daily IAD-LHR-DEL-HKG-LAX, with full traffic rights in every sector. They had planned to start daily, non-stop ORD-DEL service on 28 October 2001, but it never started.
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Thu Mar 31, 2005 2:39 pm

Damn..its about time they have give it a thought, I've posted numerous threads asking this (even a thread starter)..............

Obviously there are Indians everywhere in the US, but I think ORD, JFK, LAX, SFO/SJC are some heavily desi populated areas (ok, parts of Texas too)...........too bad they don't have any aircraft which could do a nonstop flight......that would open up more city pairs..............the 200-LR would fit just perfectly into their scheme (wishful thinking, but so what?). Big grin Big grin
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Thu Mar 31, 2005 3:54 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 32):
United offered a daily "Around the World" service which stopped in India. They flew daily IAD-LHR-DEL-HKG-LAX, with full traffic rights in every sector

If I'm not mistaken, that round the world service operated through JFK rather than IAD. It was also not a same aircraft round the world service, with the LAX-JFK-LHR-DEL sectors operated by B763ER and the DEL-HKG-LAX services by B744.
 
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Thu Mar 31, 2005 4:18 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 34):
If I'm not mistaken, that round the world service operated through JFK rather than IAD. It was also not a same aircraft round the world service, with the LAX-JFK-LHR-DEL sectors operated by B763ER and the DEL-HKG-LAX services by B744.

It was originaly routed JFK but through its last years of operation was IAD, and the whole thing was a 744 at IAD. as for JFK - only the JFK-LAX part was a 767, the rest was 744.

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Thu Mar 31, 2005 4:28 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 32):
They flew daily IAD-LHR-DEL-HKG-LAX, with full traffic rights in every sector.

MAH4546 - I hate to have to correct you as I am a big fan of all the useful info you provide on these forums. However, they did not have FULL traffic rights on DEL-HKG and this is one of the reasons for why the route was discontinued. Whilst they were allowed to carry local passengers on this sector, local passengers could not exceed a certain percentage of the plane's capacity. Similar to the rights NW had for KIX-SYD.
 
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RE: American To Service India

Thu Mar 31, 2005 9:11 pm

Quoting TWA902fly (Reply 35):
It was originaly routed JFK but through its last years of operation was IAD, and the whole thing was a 744 at IAD. as for JFK - only the JFK-LAX part was a 767, the rest was 744.

My mistake regarding IAD vs JFK then, but the route was for sure B763ER all the way to DEL. I flew it in 1998 on the LHR-DEL sector.
 
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RE: American To Service India

Thu Mar 31, 2005 9:24 pm

Quoting Jasepl (Reply 31):
Not in the least!



Quoting Jasepl (Reply 31):
Again, the answer's obvious!

So whats the answer?

Also whats the top 5 airports in India in terms of PAX?

Rob!

[Edited 2005-03-31 13:26:11]
 
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RE: American To Service India

Thu Mar 31, 2005 9:55 pm

Quoting B742 (Reply 38):
Also whats the top 5 airports in India in terms of PAX?

1.Mumbai
2.Delhi.
3.Chennai.
4.Kolkata.
5.Bangalore.

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RE: American To Service India

Thu Mar 31, 2005 10:03 pm

Thanks MEL,

How is ATQ doing, its going to receive a international flight to BHX & YYZ in May?

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RE: American To Service India

Thu Mar 31, 2005 11:08 pm

Quoting B742 (Reply 38):

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RE: American To Service India

Thu Mar 31, 2005 11:11 pm

Quoting B742 (Reply 40):
How is ATQ doing, its going to receive a international flight to BHX & YYZ in May?

ATQ is expected to do well. AI's DEL-ATQ-BHX-YYZ is expected to start in May.
If I am not wrong then Air Slovakia already does rounds to ATQ. There was some buzz about SQ starting service too.
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RE: American To Service India

Thu Mar 31, 2005 11:19 pm

Quoting Aseem (Reply 42):
ATQ is expected to do well. AI's DEL-ATQ-BHX-YYZ is expected to start in May.

Quiet long back, I guess sabena made a hopping trip from DEL-ATQ-Kuwait-BHX

It might have been some other airline but there was one that did that wierd route....
 
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RE: American To Service India

Thu Mar 31, 2005 11:23 pm

Quoting B742 (Reply 1):
Will the A330-300 operate NW034 and NW033?

Those flight numbers are currently used for the flights between Seattle and Amsterdam, and those are to change fron the DC-10-30 to the A330-300 this summer, as I recall. So if the Bangalore flights are a continuation of these, that would make the A330 a likely equipment choice. It will be neat to see same-plane service between Seattle and India if that is the case.
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RE: American To Service India

Fri Apr 01, 2005 4:45 am

JetWay, you are completely right. As a Bangalorean our airport STINKS, so hard to say that! It's too small to physically handle those early morning flights. The seats will be filled, but unless they come during the day the new flights will probably have to park at the cargo apron and passengers will have to be driven there
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RE: American To Service India

Fri Apr 01, 2005 5:35 am

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 43):
It might have been some other airline but there was one that did that wierd route....

Air India used to operate Amritsar - Moscow - Birmingham on the 707.
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RE: American To Service India

Fri Apr 01, 2005 6:40 am

Quoting Aseem (Reply 42):
There was some buzz about SQ starting service too.

SQ already serves ATQ 3x weekly it is MH whose creating the buzz abt starting services to ATQ
 
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RE: American To Service India

Fri Apr 01, 2005 6:57 am

What about AA flying ORD-BOM direct? It's 6999nm on the Great Circle Mapper

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RE: American To Service India

Fri Apr 01, 2005 7:09 am

Quoting Brons2 (Reply 48):
What about AA flying ORD-BOM direct? It's 6999nm on the Great Circle Mapper

easier said than done! flights don't follow great circle mapper. At least AC 054/055 doesn't.
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