exFATboy
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Chirac's Proposal For Airline Taxes

Thu Mar 31, 2005 6:06 am

USA Today linked to an article in yesterday's International Herald-Tribune about French President Jacques Chirac's proposal for an "international solidarity tax" on airplane tickets and fuel to fight epidemics in Africa, including AIDS.

While I'm certainly not opposed to providing more assistance to Africa for this cause, why would Chirac propose taxes specifically on air travel? Where's the connection between air travel and Africa's problems?

The fact that the article does not say that the tax would be only on international air travel (as compared to his proposal for a tax on international capital movements) leads me to suspect a little political grandstanding on Chirac's part - he knows fully well that a tax on all air travel would fall disproportionately on the United States and other low-population-density countries that rely on domestic air travel (especially Canada and Australia), and thus the US is likely to reject it. So France gets to look good in imposing this tax on its own citizens and Chirac gets to paint the US in a bad light.

It would seem to me that if Chirac was serious about this, he'd propose imposing the tax on train travel as well, so that Europe would pay a more equitable proportion of the total tax. Of course, you could then argue that since Americans (and Canadians, and Australians, etc.) use cars for trips where Europeans are more likely to use trains, the tax should be on petrol as well. Which just leads us back to my original point - why a tax on air travel at all?

Or am I just too cynical here?

(Or is the tax only proposed for international travel, and the IHT article was incomplete?)
 
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RE: Chirac's Proposal For Airline Taxes

Thu Mar 31, 2005 6:10 am

Quoting ExFATboy (Thread starter):
The fact that the article does not say that the tax would be only on international air travel (as compared to his proposal for a tax on international capital movements) leads me to suspect a little political grandstanding on Chirac's part - he knows fully well that a tax on all air travel would fall disproportionately on the United States and other low-population-density countries that rely on domestic air travel (especially Canada and Australia), and thus the US is likely to reject it. So France gets to look good in imposing this tax on its own citizens and Chirac gets to paint the US in a bad light.

Sounds about Right. Chirac has been a part of the cabal calling for a international tax for the UN.

How about we tax planes being build for international flight instead?
 
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RE: Chirac's Proposal For Airline Taxes

Thu Mar 31, 2005 6:21 am

I find the proposal a bit absurd. As you already pointed out, ExFATboy, the choice for an 'Africa tax' on air travel seems random. (Why no 'africa tax' on, let's say, bus rides).

An eco-tax on air tickets seems more logical to me...
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bhill
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RE: Chirac's Proposal For Airline Taxes

Thu Mar 31, 2005 6:23 am

Chirac is being naive...it's not the money...hell, many nations have tossed it that way. It's the corruption of the governments that receive it, the money never gets to the folks that need it.
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lijnden
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RE: Chirac's Proposal For Airline Taxes

Thu Mar 31, 2005 7:01 am

This is an insult to the already struggling airline industry. Chirac (Ch-Iraq) knows very well that the USA has most flights, thus would be the major contributor to his idea. It is again very anti-American! The last thing the airline industry needs now are more taxes.

I have a better ideas to make Ch-Iraq's plans work;
- why don't we stop all EU money spend in France and use that to fight
hunger and illnesses in Africa?
- Another way of saving a bunch alone is the abolishment of the Strassbourg
move from Brussels every other week.
- The best one yet: Have for every French tourist into any country buy a
Solidarity Visa of 100 dollars to support their own president's idea to help
Africa. If they come by car they have to buy toll-stickers to use the roads.

[Edited 2005-03-30 23:02:48]
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RE: Chirac's Proposal For Airline Taxes

Thu Mar 31, 2005 8:00 am

Quoting Lijnden (Reply 4):
- The best one yet: Have for every French tourist into any country buy a
Solidarity Visa of 100 dollars to support their own president's idea to help
Africa. If they come by car they have to buy toll-stickers to use the roads.

Good idea!

So, someone flying from LAX to SYD would be charged a proposed tax to help Africans? An American plane, taking of from an American airport, traveling through American, International and Australian airspace, landing in Australia should not have to pay a tax to Africa.

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RE: Chirac's Proposal For Airline Taxes

Thu Mar 31, 2005 8:33 am

Enough is already done for charity in this world. What about the millions in aid for the tsunami victims that hasn't been spent yet. A few weeks ago, BBC News reported how the charity in charge of the Tsunami relief was finding it hard to spend the money that was so kindly given. Just another president trying doing something without thinking about how it effects people, maybe trying to make it look like they care, a pre election stunt? Maybe I'm wrong...

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RE: Chirac's Proposal For Airline Taxes

Thu Mar 31, 2005 3:47 pm

Personally, I think countries should worry about fighting hunger in their own countries before suggesting that other countries further tax their own citizens to support yet another country/continent.

I don't know about France, but here in the U.S. we could spend that money on our own homeless/hungry.

However, I am against any further airline taxes in the current revenue enviornment! Taxes are already out of hand on Int'l flights if you ask me...
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atmx2000
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RE: Chirac's Proposal For Airline Taxes

Thu Mar 31, 2005 4:01 pm

How about a tax on international tourism revenue, luxury restaurants and hotels, wine sales, and agriculture subsidies?
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RE: Chirac's Proposal For Airline Taxes

Thu Mar 31, 2005 6:21 pm

I have a better idea, how about no new taxes and the government actually spend less. Oh wait never mind, I was dreaming.
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RE: Chirac's Proposal For Airline Taxes

Thu Mar 31, 2005 7:02 pm

Quoting Lijnden (Reply 4):

Chirac (Ch-Iraq)

Absolutely love it! Well done.

I have to agree. If you want to give aid to Africa, go ahead. What's the problem? You don't take enough in taxes already? Just don't do it on my back. I am sick and tired of the endless "aid" for these so called "poor countries" that is being thrown away.

How about getting a refund on the aid already given and redistributing it? To the people that actually need it, instead of some tyrant. You could name a whole litany of African countries that money has gone to that has just ended up in the pockets of some despot and their cronies!

I guess he sees airlines and travelers as an easy target. I say, piss off and leave us alone already!
 
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RE: Chirac's Proposal For Airline Taxes

Thu Mar 31, 2005 8:08 pm

Why not tax the export of military equipment instead? Let those who buy tyranny do something good for the world. Say a few million on every Eurofighter or F-16?
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konrad
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RE: Chirac's Proposal For Airline Taxes

Thu Mar 31, 2005 8:24 pm

How about a tax on stupid politicians ideas ?
Oh no, that would probably be paid out of my taxes!
 
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RE: Chirac's Proposal For Airline Taxes

Fri Apr 01, 2005 2:36 am

Quoting Lijnden (Reply 4):
Chirac (Ch-Iraq)

I agree that this proposal is very stupid but the way you wrote Chirac's name is even more stupid!  Sad
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