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SAA Introduces Daytime Daily CPT-FRA Flights

Thu Mar 31, 2005 6:16 am

Effective 13th September 05 SAA will operate daily on the CPT-FRA route. Initially the flight was planned to go daily on 1st May 2005 but due to a shortage in equipment due to delivery delays of the remaining A340-600 the introduction of daily flights has to be delayed.

The northbound flight (SA262) will operate as a daytime flight. Departure in CPT will be 7.35 am with an arrival time of 7.45 pm in Frankfurt. The southbound flight (SA263) leaves Frankfurt at 5.40 pm with an arrival of 5.35 am in Cape Town. The southbound flight is operated with the equipment arriving in the morning (5.55 am) from JNB. The southbound JNB flight (SA261) will have a new departure time of 9.45 pm (instead of 8.45 pm in order to have enough time to turn around the SA262 CPT equipment).

SAA has chosen this combination of daytime (CPT-FRA)/nighttime flights (JNB-FRA,FRA-CPT,FRA-JNB) under the assumption that travelers to/from CPT rather accept a daytime flight as CPT is primarily a destination for the leisure market while JNB caters for high yield business traffic. With this schedule SAA only needs three aircraft to operate both the CPT-FRA and JNB-FRA routes daily while with nighttime flights four aircraft would be needed which helps lowering the already very low break even load factors for the 346 on both routes even more (and, of course, helps saving quite a lot of money for parking fees at FRA).

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RE: SAA Introduces Daytime Daily CPT-FRA Flights

Thu Mar 31, 2005 6:37 am

Good luck with that - I think that the CPT market probably will accept daytime flights, certainly much more readily than the JNB market.

Good idea in the view of the aircraft shortage - and a good way to get around some of the parking fees... I know that these always have been quite a thorn in SAA's side.

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RE: SAA Introduces Daytime Daily CPT-FRA Flights

Thu Mar 31, 2005 7:32 am

I really do not understand how an airline can make money with having sitting all the day new aircrafts on the ground. the fixed costs are so high for the new airplanes. best example sa, or like quantas here in frankfurt, arriving 05:00 am and leaving fra at 11:55pm ...
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RE: SAA Introduces Daytime Daily CPT-FRA Flights

Thu Mar 31, 2005 3:44 pm

It will be interesting to see what Lufthansa's response to SAA's daily operations will be. During the summer season, LH is operating thrice weekly nonstop to CPT, with the other four flights operating via JNB, as opposed to the daily nonstop flights during the winter. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Lufthansa, as a result of this, were to reinstate daily nonstop operations into JNB in early September as well.
 
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RE: SAA Introduces Daytime Daily CPT-FRA Flights

Thu Mar 31, 2005 3:46 pm

Quoting Avianca (Reply 2):
I really do not understand how an airline can make money with having sitting all the day new aircrafts on the ground. the fixed costs are so high for the new airplanes. best example sa

The JNB-FRA-JNB flights are both operated as nighttime flights as to ensure seamless connections at both ends of the route. An early evening arrival in JNB would leave passengers with connections to DUR and CPT only. A northbound daytime flight from JNB would equally lead to problems with feeder traffic into JNB. On top of that, as already mentioned, there are a lot of business travelers on that route which are unlikely to accept a daytime flight either direction.

A daytime CPT-FRA flight, on the other hand is something the market is more likely to accept. Feeder traffic into CPT is not necessary and thus an early morning departure possible. With an arrival of 7.45 pm in Frankfurt the flight arrives just in time for LH's domestic evening departures.

Trust me, SA is breaking even on both routes easily - even with the long parking times of the aircraft in FRA. However, a daytime flight on the CPT route will allow for lower prices which might be necessary as response to the aggressive approach e.g. KLM/AF is currently taking.

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RE: SAA Introduces Daytime Daily CPT-FRA Flights

Thu Mar 31, 2005 4:14 pm

Quoting ZSSNC (Reply 4):
With an arrival of 7.45 pm in Frankfurt the flight arrives just in time for LH's domestic evening departures.

The last outbound bank for domestic and European traffic for Lufthansa is scheduled between 21.00 and 21.30. Theoretically, SAA's CPT-FRA flights should arrive in time to meet this bank. However, following the slightest operational irregularity, the airline will have to deal with missed connections.

It is interesting to notice that Lufthansa's last inbound longhauls for the day, ex HKG and PVG, arrive well before 7.45 pm, so that, even in case of delays, connections throughout Europe and Germany can be guaranteed.

Nevertheless, I believe that this proposed schedule constitutes the best option for SAA, as it reinforced the airline's utilization rates, which must be rather abyssmal with all those aircraft sitting on the ground in various European airports for the better part of a day.
 
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RE: SAA Introduces Daytime Daily CPT-FRA Flights

Fri Apr 01, 2005 12:14 am

Quoting Avianca (Reply 2):
I really do not understand how an airline can make money with having sitting all the day new aircrafts on the ground. the fixed costs are so high for the new airplanes. best example sa, or like quantas here in frankfurt, arriving 05:00 am and leaving fra at 11:55pm ...

For business routes (like FRA) SAA could turn the aircraft around early, but then it would have half the load because business passengers are not going to take daytime flights over 6 hours. Better to pay the extra costs than to lose a huge percentage of revenue.

South American carriers have this same problem to the States.
 
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RE: SAA Introduces Daytime Daily CPT-FRA Flights

Fri Apr 01, 2005 8:58 pm

Quoting AF022 (Reply 6):
For business routes (like FRA) SAA could turn the aircraft around early, but then it would have half the load because business passengers are not going to take daytime flights over 6 hours.

I find this concept of longhaul daylight flights being uncommercial highly subjective. Business passengers seem to have no problems with 12-hour daylight flights between Japan and Europe, where there is virtually no other available option (with the exception of one overnight Air France flight) or between Europe and the US.

Even where there is competition with overnight flights available, such as on the HKG-Europe sectors, Lufthansa and KLM seem to be doing just fine with their HKG-FRA and HKG-AMS daylight flights. Also, KLM seems to be OK with its daylight AMS-JNB and AMS-CPT sectors.

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