JAM747
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How Many B707s Pax/cargo Left?

Thu Mar 31, 2005 6:29 am

Does anyone know how many Boeing 707s are still flying as commercial pass or cargo? I have seen DC-8s still flying as cargo but the never seen 707s. However I have only been flown to a few U.S east coast airports and airports in the Caribbean and Brazil. Maybe in some other parts of the world 707s survive.
 
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RE: How Many B707s Pax/cargo Left?

Thu Mar 31, 2005 9:09 am

Everything you wanted and more is at:
http://www.planemad.net/airlinerlist/boeing-707.zip

In general, you can answer these questions at:
http://members.ams.chello.nl/s.c.verbrugge/main.html
 
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RE: How Many B707s Pax/cargo Left?

Thu Mar 31, 2005 8:55 pm

Don't forget that many 707s were purchased by the US Air Force. They needed spares for the KC135 program. Besides as much as I like the 707 the DC8 is in general a better freighter.
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RE: How Many B707s Pax/cargo Left?

Thu Mar 31, 2005 11:32 pm

Quoting AeroWeanie (Reply 1):
Besides as much as I like the 707 the DC8 is in general a better freighter

The DC-8 did seem to hold up better, seems a little tougher frame to me.
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JAM747
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RE: How Many B707s Pax/cargo Left?

Fri Apr 01, 2005 12:05 am

Quoting 727200er (Reply 2):
Besides as much as I like the 707 the DC8 is in general a better freighter.

I believe the design of the DC8 made it easier to to be available in stretched versions . I think I read that once in Wings Magazine. It is one reason the DC8 out lasted the 707 in number still in service because the long DC8 were better utilised for cargo.
 
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RE: How Many B707s Pax/cargo Left?

Fri Apr 01, 2005 2:09 am

I think the 707 and DC-8 originally were quite comparible in economics and toughness, but the situation changed from 1981 onwards. In the economic downturn and high gaz prices then, both noisy types were almost worthless and the majors wanted to get rid of them as soon as possible. In case of the 707, the USAF made good use of the airlines parking them to buy the best ones up, use engines and other parts for their KC-135s and then scrap them.

The best and newest DC-8s, the 60s series, were adopted in a reengine program which made the 70s as economical as any 70s and 80s airplane type again so this explains why these are still around.

The 707 won as a passenger carrying aircraft, while the DC-8s passenger days are already over for 10 years. The DC-8 is still a frontline freighter though.
But then if you take the military variants of the 707, the E-8s and AWACSes and VIP aircraft in account, there are around more then you think (and then I don't mention the KC-135 variant which is a different aircraft, even while the youngest frame is 40 years old, 2/3rds are still in service!).
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