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WN: Does It Carry Cargo?

Fri Apr 01, 2005 3:19 am

Does WN carry cargo on its flights? If yes, how much revenue this generates?
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RE: WN: Does It Carry Cargo?

Fri Apr 01, 2005 3:23 am

They carry a LOT of cargo. The best part of cargo, is it's all profit for the airline.
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RE: WN: Does It Carry Cargo?

Fri Apr 01, 2005 3:24 am

Does it put the lotion in the basket?
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RE: WN: Does It Carry Cargo?

Fri Apr 01, 2005 3:35 am

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 1):
They carry a LOT of cargo.

Thanks.

I asked because FR, for example, doesn't carry cargo (unless luggage counts as cargo) as it would slow its fast turnarounds. There is one exception to this rule: STN-NOK. FR will carry coffins on this route out of respect for the residents of County Mayo.
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RE: WN: Does It Carry Cargo?

Fri Apr 01, 2005 3:37 am

I know from experience they dont allow pets in their planes, nor cargo, check in or carry on... I had to give up my WN ticket to fly Delta from FLL to LAX with my cat because of this. They really pissed me off. I still dont get it...

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RE: WN: Does It Carry Cargo?

Fri Apr 01, 2005 3:39 am

Certain cargo, some tropical fish and what not. But not like those at NW, who also have their own dedicated Cargo fleet of 14 aircraft.
 
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RE: WN: Does It Carry Cargo?

Fri Apr 01, 2005 3:43 am

There is only so much cargo a 737 can carry. Small packages and such.
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RE: WN: Does It Carry Cargo?

Fri Apr 01, 2005 3:45 am

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 5):
But not like those at NW



Quoting NWAFA (Reply 6):
There is only so much cargo a 737 can carry. Small packages and such.

Of course!  Smile

It would be interesting to know how much the transportation of cargo contributes to its total annual revenue.
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RE: WN: Does It Carry Cargo?

Fri Apr 01, 2005 3:50 am

Yes, we do carry quite a bit of cargo. Last year we moved 288 million pounds of freight and mail. Sorry, I'm trying to find the just freight number. Last year's income statement shows that freight had a total income of $117million.

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RE: WN: Does It Carry Cargo?

Fri Apr 01, 2005 3:55 am

Thanks a lot, NTS.  Smile

Do you know - I guess it would be impossible to know without the data - which particular routes generate the most cargo?
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RE: WN: Does It Carry Cargo?

Fri Apr 01, 2005 4:08 am

Don't quote me on this, as I don't have any numbers, but from my experience loading and unloading the stuff, I would put LAX as the largest. Followed by (in no particular order) OAK, LAS, PHX, MDW, BWI, FLL and ORF.

Not too helpful, I know, but I can tell you that for quite some time we've been trucking freight out of LAX to other airports just to get it in the air.

We also do get an incredible amount of freight leaving AUS, primarily Dell Computer stuff.

When I stop by work today I'll see if I can dig up some numbers.

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RE: WN: Does It Carry Cargo?

Fri Apr 01, 2005 4:18 am

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 3):
I asked because FR, for example, doesn't carry cargo (unless luggage counts as cargo) as it would slow its fast turnarounds.

WN has been carrying cargo since they did 10-20 minute turns in the 70's and 80's and still do with their 25-40 minute turns now. They also don't limit carry on weight and have a normal checked baggage allowance, not the tiny number allowed on FR flights

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 9):
Do you know - I guess it would be impossible to know without the data - which particular routes generate the most cargo?

Well, WN has long been known for their time-sensitive shipping. They do a lot of this on the Intra-Texas routes. For a long time, the only non-cargo airport was SNA because of the short runway, though they can now carry some on the 73G. This is why they have not been able to offer their cheapest deals out of SNA.

To add to that point about cargo being pure profit, WN, unlike many other airlines, bases all of their cost numbers on making a profit on at least 2-3 passengers per flight, every flight on average (the rest covering costs) with cargo being pure gravy.
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RE: WN: Does It Carry Cargo?

Fri Apr 01, 2005 4:21 am

I do not exactly remember the year, however sometime back around 2000-2002, I saw a report stating that the Los Angeles basin was SWA's number one cargo generating sales area.
Majority of the cargo was destined to Midwest and East Coast cities. As I remember Chicago Midway was the top destined single station for this cargo.
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RE: WN: Does It Carry Cargo?

Fri Apr 01, 2005 4:26 am

Thanks for your info. Especially interesting re. which airports.
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RE: WN: Does It Carry Cargo?

Fri Apr 01, 2005 4:30 am

Cargo is not pure profit. It has about a 60% profit margin not counting it's burden on the operation itself. Cargo offices, cargo employees, sales reps, accounting personnel, are all expenses.

It varies a little but cargo accounts usually accounts for 3 or 4% of total revenue at most US airlines. More at Asian/European carriers.
 
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RE: WN: Does It Carry Cargo?

Fri Apr 01, 2005 4:34 am

We move a lot of cargo through MCO as well. Just the other day I saw several carts of freight waiting on a connection to a Freight Forwarder at FLL with its final destination of SJO as in San Jose Costa Rica.
 
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RE: WN: Does It Carry Cargo?

Fri Apr 01, 2005 4:36 am

Quoting Padcrasher (Reply 14):
Cargo is not pure profit. It has about a 60% profit margin not counting it's burden on the operation itself. Cargo offices, cargo employees, sales reps, accounting personnel, are all expenses.

That is the thing. Cargo at WN works differently. They account all costs (not just flight costs) using PAX revenue only, then cargo adds on
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RE: WN: Does It Carry Cargo?

Fri Apr 01, 2005 5:09 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 16):
That is the thing. Cargo at WN works differently. They account all costs (not just flight costs) using PAX revenue only, then cargo adds on

Well however Southwest accounts for cargo revenue/costs , there is no such thing as a free lunch.
 
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RE: WN: Does It Carry Cargo?

Fri Apr 01, 2005 5:19 am

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 2):
Does it put the lotion in the basket?

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RE: WN: Does It Carry Cargo?

Fri Apr 01, 2005 5:36 am

Cargo is also relatively big at AUS, primarily due to its proximity to Dell. Every time I've boarded a WN flight at AUS, I've seen large Dell boxes being loaded and unloaded.
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RE: WN: Does It Carry Cargo?

Fri Apr 01, 2005 5:51 am

The volume is certainly there in AUS but those poor rampers are loading boxes at 11 cents a lb. MSY gives WN some nice much higher yielding seafood.
 
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RE: WN: Does It Carry Cargo?

Fri Apr 01, 2005 5:58 am

Our best freight, or at least the coolest in my eyes, is the armored car shipments. There's quite nothing like loading up a tens of millions of dollars.

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RE: WN: Does It Carry Cargo?

Fri Apr 01, 2005 6:17 am

Quoting Pe@rson (Thread starter):
Does WN carry cargo on its flights?

Heck YES! All of our GEO (dvds, cds, software and video games) are carried by WN. WN carries this cargo which is between 10-25 plastic totes. They hold 160-cds or 70-dvds a piece. A Bestbuy store will get this shipment 2 weekly and we have over 650 Bestbuys in N. America. Not sure what carrier flies the totes to our Canadian stores.

So yes, they carry alot of cargo, 1/3 of a stores monthly gross comes from these shipments. All the totes in our store either come from MDW or PHX.

Quoting Ssides (Reply 19):
Cargo is also relatively big at AUS, primarily due to its proximity to Dell. Every time I've boarded a WN flight at AUS, I've seen large Dell boxes being loaded and unloaded.

That's 100% true, I definitely agree with that statement. I helped the head/lead Ramper for WN a few weeks ago and he said all he sees is Bestbuy and Dell cargo.

BTW: good topic.
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RE: WN: Does It Carry Cargo?

Fri Apr 01, 2005 7:43 am

Actually, a quick Google search of "Southwest Airlines Cargo" would reveal this site:

http://www.swacargo.com

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RE: WN: Does It Carry Cargo?

Fri Apr 01, 2005 1:35 pm

Quoting Ntspelich (Reply 10):
We also do get an incredible amount of freight leaving AUS, primarily Dell Computer stuff.

Thanks guys...At SJC we recieve a lot of dell computers, and other computer software...To add a couple of other places to the list as far as freight and mail go, I would have to say SEA and PDX are up there as well...There have been plenty of flights where the whole cargo space below, was bulked out with bags, freight, and mail...
And yes we do ship Cargo...

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RE: WN: Does It Carry Cargo?

Fri Apr 01, 2005 1:54 pm

Quoting Padcrasher (Reply 17):
Well however Southwest accounts for cargo revenue/costs , there is no such thing as a free lunch.

Of course, they have to account for them. Still, they cover that with PAX revenues.
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RE: WN: Does It Carry Cargo?

Fri Apr 01, 2005 3:13 pm

Freight is the "bread and butter" of WN. From what I know thats where we make a lot of our money, especially from our NFG and our RUSH shipments.

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 12):
I saw a report stating that the Los Angeles basin was SWA's number one cargo generating sales area.

Yes, LAX is the biggest freight city in the system. I've heard that LAX's shipments are far greater than any of our other cities. Meaning the volume gap between LAX and the no. 2 city is huge.
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