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UsAirways And The Q-400, EMB 190,195

Fri Apr 01, 2005 3:37 am

Has Us Airways looked into these Models of AC? I know they had a Demo of the Q-400 but Have they Ordered the EMB-190,195 or will they in the near Future? And what about the Q-400 do you think they will ever order this Aircraft also? Just wondering.

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RE: UsAirways And The Q-400, EMB 190,195

Fri Apr 01, 2005 7:22 am

US has indeed looked at the Q400, but I wouldn't expect an order at this point. Dave Siegel was very interested in the aircraft, but Bruce Lakefield does not seem at all interested in a new turboprop order. (I do understand, however, that Piedmont is looking for some additional secondhand Dash 8-300s.) Perhaps when US emerges from bankruptcy and gets a new CEO, they'll reconsider the Q400. I do think it would work well on some CLT markets like OAJ, HHH, EWN.

As for the EMB-190, US will no doubt be shortly ordering them, either for its MidAtlantic division or to be flown by Republic. US is permitted to operate up to 60 total EMB-190s as US Airways Express, with up to 25 of them being operated by an affiliate carrier like Republic.

US does not currently have scope relief for the EMB-195.
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RE: UsAirways And The Q-400, EMB 190,195

Fri Apr 01, 2005 10:02 am

Right now is a pretty solid no on the Q400,
but for the time being for the 190's there is a lot up in the air with the musical chairs of regional flying that may or may not occur.

Until the AWAC, Republic, Mid-Atlantic, Mesa deal is all worked out we really won't know who is getting what and flying it where.
 
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RE: UsAirways And The Q-400, EMB 190,195

Fri Apr 01, 2005 10:04 am

Maybe US should concentrate on getting out of bankruptcy and surviving before looking into new A/C types.... Just a thought.....
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RE: UsAirways And The Q-400, EMB 190,195

Fri Apr 01, 2005 10:35 am

im glad about the emb's because it seems after the retirement of the f-100 and dc-9, the 100 seat markets were all upgraded or downgraded.
 
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RE: UsAirways And The Q-400, EMB 190,195

Fri Apr 01, 2005 10:40 am

Is it just me or is there a weekly Q-400 post about someone saying Legacy carrier "x" is going to order them?.....its been going on for like 2 years now, getting a little old
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RE: UsAirways And The Q-400, EMB 190,195

Fri Apr 01, 2005 12:35 pm

and don't forget the 65 CRJ-200s and CRJ-701s still on order for delivery for PSA, to recommence next month.

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RE: UsAirways And The Q-400, EMB 190,195

Fri Apr 01, 2005 12:44 pm

Quoting SegmentKing (Reply 6):
and don't forget the 65 CRJ-200s and CRJ-701s still on order for delivery for PSA,

Good lord....are there not already enough RJ's flying around. If there are major airline liquidations, there are going to be so many of these excess birds sitting around.
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RE: UsAirways And The Q-400, EMB 190,195

Fri Apr 01, 2005 12:55 pm

Quoting SegmentKing (Reply 6):
and don't forget the 65 CRJ-200s and CRJ-701s still on order for delivery for PSA, to recommence next month.

Cancel them! Cancel them! Cancel them! Sorry, but the time for RJ is comnpletely over. PSA should switch them to either the E70/E90 or the new C-series... There are plenty of 50 seaters around.. no need to add any more..
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RE: UsAirways And The Q-400, EMB 190,195

Fri Apr 01, 2005 1:02 pm

and don't forget the 65 CRJ-200s and CRJ-701s still on order for delivery for PSA, to recommence next month.

Cancel them! Cancel them! Cancel them! Sorry, but the time for RJ is comnpletely over. PSA should switch them to either the E70/E90 or the new C-series... There are plenty of 50 seaters around.. no need to add any more..

US already redid their deal with Bombardier, last July.  Yeah sure

US/PSA completed their CRJ-200 order at 36 planes. PSA currently has I believe 11 CRJ-701 aircraft, and the order should be complete at around 14 planes. All further deliveries to PSA should be the CRJ-900.
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RE: UsAirways And The Q-400, EMB 190,195

Fri Apr 01, 2005 1:11 pm

I agree that it would be wise to convert any future 50-seat order to a newer Q-series of the Dash 8. However, I think the decision is yet to be made on whether or not PDT and PSA will remain with US Airways Group. I would not be shocked to see Mesa step in with the next bit of funding that includes the purchase of the WO's effectively taking US out of the decision making process. Is this good or bad? Depends on the terms of the feeder agreement and if it would be cheaper to operate them in house versus a contract carrier.
 
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RE: UsAirways And The Q-400, EMB 190,195

Fri Apr 01, 2005 2:43 pm

PSA will be the wholey owned RJ operator at Airways, and Piedmont/Allegheny flyin the Dash 8s till they finally crumble and die, although I know there is a lot of desire to merge PSA and Piedmont!

I'm not sure Mesa will be coming in to help Airways, as they've publicly stated PIT would make a wonderful hub for them... I do remember them doing their own mini-hub in CVG when Comair struck, as well as their Ft. Worth/Alliance operations... they've got the planes to fly, just haveta wait for the market to open..

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RE: UsAirways And The Q-400, EMB 190,195

Fri Apr 01, 2005 3:36 pm

They've also backed off their PIT ambitions which was part of the 737 fleet dreams. But J.O. is a unique character and changes in the wind.
 
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RE: UsAirways And The Q-400, EMB 190,195

Sat Apr 02, 2005 4:06 am

Terrible!
Drop Regional Jets and order the Q400 and save loads of money on fuel in this hard times!

There is no sign of falling fuel prices.!

Skyways in Sweden will get rid of their regional jets and will operate an all turboprop fleet. Why?? Jets on regional routes are simply to expensive nowadays.
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RE: UsAirways And The Q-400, EMB 190,195

Sat Apr 02, 2005 5:00 am

With fuel at $55 or $60, several airlines are hurting from fleet planning mistakes. US should have ordered 50-100 Q400s in place of CRJ-200 and CRJ-700s.

And also, NW should have ditched its DC-9 and DC-10 aircraft long ago. They are paying insane money to fuel up these days. I think CFOs at both airlines would agree with this conclusion in light of today's oil prices, which they did not factor into the decisions in the late 90s/early 2000s.
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RE: UsAirways And The Q-400, EMB 190,195

Sat Apr 02, 2005 5:19 am

[quote=Supa7E7,reply=14]With fuel at $55 or $60, several airlines are hurting from fleet planning mistakes. US should have ordered 50-100 Q400s in place of CRJ-200 and CRJ-700s.


Sometimes I wonder why They ordered Both the EMB-170 and the CRJ700. I think US should have ordered the Q-400 and EMB-170 instead of the CRJ series. As for airlines regretting Massive RJ Purchases, I have heard that CO is strongly looking at the Dash 8 series from a Bombardier contact of mine. But only time will tell.

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RE: UsAirways And The Q-400, EMB 190,195

Sat Apr 02, 2005 5:25 am

NW holding on to its DC-9s is one of the reasons they aren't in Chapter 11 right now.
 
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RE: UsAirways And The Q-400, EMB 190,195

Sat Apr 02, 2005 7:02 am

Quoting Ouboy79 (Reply 16):
NW holding on to its DC-9s is one of the reasons they aren't in Chapter 11 right now.

Exactly!!!
They own the DC-9's outright, along with tons and tons of spares for them. No matter how much fuel is and how much they use, it is still cheaper than paying for fuel AND A/C payments!!!
And for the record, I don't like the 9's, but if they save the company from bankruptcy, I'll deal with them!!

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