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DL 762 Paid For By Employees

Fri Apr 01, 2005 7:30 am

Last year I flew on the DL 762 that was paid for by Delta employees back in the early 80's. The jet was IMMACULATE despite the fact that it was over 20 years old.

My question is: Is it maintained in that manner out of respect for the employees or did it just come out of a "C" or even "D" check?

Also, when will DL retire that bird?
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RE: DL 762 Paid For By Employees

Fri Apr 01, 2005 8:36 am

It is maintained that way because of Delta's top-notch MX department, AKA Tech Ops. The aircraft is a little worn around the edges, but is certainly a beauty. I'm sure the MX guys give her a little extra attention as she means so much. The whole 762 fleet isn't bad at all, but they'll be on their way out in the next few years.

The Spirit of Delta will most definately be saved for museum, along with the DC-3 and others up on the North Delta ramp.

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RE: DL 762 Paid For By Employees

Fri Apr 01, 2005 8:56 am

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 1):
It is maintained that way because of Delta's top-notch MX department, AKA Tech Ops.

I have no doubt DL Tech Ops is top notch -- one reason I fly DL whenever possible. (I'm Platinum). But when I say she was in immaculate condition, there wasn't even the usual gunk in the seat tracks on the floor. Everything inside the hull gleamed, which is why I was wondering if she had just recently come out of a heavy maintenance check when I flew her (I think it was around last August or September).
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RE: DL 762 Paid For By Employees

Fri Apr 01, 2005 9:45 am

I have only had the opportunity to fly on the Spirit of Delta once, on a flight to Jacksonville. On climbout from ATL, it was quite a bumpy flight(right through a thunderstorm) and a couple of overhead bins popped open, but you can expect that on 767's during turbulent weather. It was one of the most violent turbulent flights I can ever recall. But the plane was pretty nice inside. My thoughts would be that the mechanics take pride in keeping this particular airplane in as good a shape as they can, after all, it is a part of Delta that will stay after she has retired. If your an older mechanic who bought her, you would feel an even stronger connection. Many Delta employees who did participate in purchasing the Spirit have a large framed "Project 767" photo and a piece of the large ribbon that was wrapped around it when presented to the company.
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RE: DL 762 Paid For By Employees

Fri Apr 01, 2005 11:59 am

I flew on N101DA back in February and she was in very good shape as well. Other than recognizing the number made her 23 years old, you would not have known or suspected it.
 
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RE: DL 762 Paid For By Employees

Fri Apr 01, 2005 12:03 pm

Quoting Thucydides (Reply 5):
flew on N101DA back in February and she was in very good shape as well. Other than recognizing the number made her 23 years old, you would not have known or suspected it.

Spirit of Delta = N102DA
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RE: DL 762 Paid For By Employees

Fri Apr 01, 2005 1:06 pm

I'm not sure if it came out of heavy maintenance or not - but it very well could have. 102 was repainted in current Retro Delta scheme back in May or so for the anneversary in June I believe. And I dont think DL birds are repainted unless they undergo heavy maintenance.

Does anyone know that when 102 is retired to the old hangar at ATL, is she going to be kept airworthy like the DC-3 and Travelair?

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RE: DL 762 Paid For By Employees

Fri Apr 01, 2005 1:14 pm

Back in the days of the Delta DFW hub, I used to get this plane on a fairly regular basis between DFW-FLL. The interior at that point was the old orange Delta fabric, which I'm sure has been replaced by now. The only thing on the interior that was different from other DL 767-200s was a metal plaque on the bulkhead with the stylized "Spirit of Delta" logo.

I've seen this plane off and on over the years since - once in Detroit in the late 1990s, and in Atlanta in 2000. I took a business trip to Atlanta last year and had a couple of hours for photography while there. I was delighted to see the "Spirit of Delta", having just gotten out of the paint shop in its latest "75th Anniversary" scheme, sitting by the fence just outside the Renaissance Hotel. Delta was having a big party at the hotel that evening, and the 767 was parked in such a manner that it was perfectly framed outside the hotel bar's window. I was disappointed when I got home that someone (a Delta employee, presumably) had scooped me with a shot of the new scheme on A.net, but I bet I was the first "civilian" to catch the plane it its latest colors. In any event, it was neat seeing it like that and I find the whole concept behind the plane to be inspiring.
 
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RE: DL 762 Paid For By Employees

Fri Apr 01, 2005 1:26 pm

Can someone explain how the DL employee's purchased the aircraft?

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RE: DL 762 Paid For By Employees

Fri Apr 01, 2005 1:42 pm

It was a group of flight attendandts that got the idea back in the day. I think DL might have had some financial troubles or something. Anyway, they decided to just start collecting money from all the workers at DL. Took them a few years but they did it.

I thought they bought 2 planes?

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RE: DL 762 Paid For By Employees

Fri Apr 01, 2005 1:51 pm

Quoting Hawk44 (Reply 8):
Can someone explain how the DL employee's purchased the aircraft?

Apparently, back in the early 80's just a few years after dereg Delta was one of the few, if not the only, airline that maintained or increased employee bennies while other airlines were scrambling to cut costs. Some flight attendants were so appreciative they started a program that allowed employees to volunteer payroll deductions that would go towards the equivalent of a down-payment on a new aircraft. It was around 1981, which is when Boeing had just come out with the 75/76 series and Delta was placing orders for the new aircraft.

I remember reading about it in the papers back then. When I boarded the aircraft last year I wasn't paying attention until I took my seat. While sitting there waiting for push-back I noticed how clean and orderly the interior was and then I noticed the placard on the bulkhead in front of me. It was an incredible feeling to realize that I was on the very same plane I had read about in the paper some 20+ years before and that's when I wondered if it was always maintained in such a pristine condition or if it had just come out of a heavy maintenance check.
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RE: DL 762 Paid For By Employees

Fri Apr 01, 2005 2:01 pm

DLKAPA - read the post a little more closely next time...

Quoting Thucydides (Reply 4):
...as well....

I was referring to 101 and not 102 knowing full well that 102 is the Spirit of Delta. My point was that 101 was in very good shape TOO (that is too as in also and not the number or a destination), which fits with what DeltaGuy and Redflyer were saying, that DL Tech Ops is very good. I was also implying that 102 is not an exception.

Considering that these are the among the first 767's off of the assembly line and that they are still flying very heavy mainline service speaks highly of both Boeing's product and Delta's care for them.

The interesting thing will be which of the 762's are retired this year as Delta stated in their 10-K that they will be retiring 3 762s in 2005.
 
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RE: DL 762 Paid For By Employees

Fri Apr 01, 2005 5:01 pm

Yep, Redflyer is correct.

In 1982, the early years after deregulation, the industry was in quite a shakeup. Airlines were dropping left and right and all the majors were losing money. Delta employees, expecting CEO Dave Garrett to call for pay cuts, were surprised that although Delta was losing a tremendous amount of money, he instead gave them previously promised across the board pay increases. A few flight attendants, talking about it one day, had on mention that she wished she could do something for the company in return. Another said jokingly, "Why don't you buy them a jet?" Thats apparently when Project 767 was born. Delta had placed an order for the new jet, and the plan was presented by the flight attendants to Delta management and management approved. It was a purely voluntary program, but most of the company agreed to participate. I think the cost, per employee, was $800, a $20 deduction from each paycheck until the cost was met. Maybe some older Widget's can confirm that for me. The plane was flown to the Paris Air Show for display, and then to Atlanta for the ceremony. An Atlanta florist who always flew Delta supposedly insisted on creating the giant ribbon to place on the aircraft and each Delta employee involved recieved a "Project 767-A Reality" display coin.
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RE: DL 762 Paid For By Employees

Fri Apr 01, 2005 6:07 pm

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 12):
In 1982, the early years after deregulation, the industry was in quite a shakeup. Airlines were dropping left and right and all the majors were losing money.

Are you sure you're not talking about 2005? Most of our majors are seriously hurting.

(just an observation, not trying to offend in any way)
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RE: DL 762 Paid For By Employees

Sat Apr 02, 2005 12:43 am

I think in 82 the only airlines that were REALLY hurting were the likes of Pan Am, Braniff and Continental (after Lorenzo smashed Texas Int'l into them). Am I right? Becasue anyone and everyone were styarting their own kind of airline operation, prices fell off the cliff, i.e. in Florida, when Air Florida really took off on expansion, Pan Am started doubling up on flights in and out ofd the state as well, and to international destinations.
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RE: DL 762 Paid For By Employees

Sat Apr 02, 2005 12:53 am

Considering that DL is in deep financial problems again, and they are trying to cut costs everywhere like back in the 80s, the Delta employees could do this again, by buying Delta a 787... Smile
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RE: DL 762 Paid For By Employees

Sat Apr 02, 2005 1:27 am

The employees at Delta bought this airplane during a period when the airlines were dealing with the fallout from deregulation and the competition was something they were still adjusting to. The airline was still run by locals who grew up with DL and they worked very hard on the team spirit, made easier by the nature of the airline pre-Western and Pan Am.

I would say that things really changed for DL psychologically with those two absorbtions and it would be a difficult thing to repeat, but the airplane has always seemed to be in better shape appearance wise. It was kept in the old colors right up until the last minute and it was always distinctive.

I would really like to see another Spirit of Delta when they retire this bird to the hangar.
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RE: DL 762 Paid For By Employees

Sat Apr 02, 2005 2:52 am

It might be a nice and grand 777? or 787? Now I'd like to see a CO retrojet (say a 738 in the goldenjet scheme and maybe a 777 in the black meatball scheme that was pre-Lorenzo?)
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RE: DL 762 Paid For By Employees

Sat Apr 02, 2005 3:06 am

I'd have to say WesternA318 that the goldenjet paint scheme would be really awesome to see that. Unfortunately given the finances I've noticed AA cutting back on special liveries as part of their cost-cutting plans. Should we expect this to apply to other carriers as long as finances remain the way they do?
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RE: DL 762 Paid For By Employees

Sat Apr 02, 2005 3:47 am

Quoting DeltaWings (Reply 15):
Considering that DL is in deep financial problems again, and they are trying to cut costs everywhere like back in the 80s, the Delta employees could do this again, by buying Delta a 787... Smile
Just a proposal.

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RE: DL 762 Paid For By Employees

Sat Apr 02, 2005 6:11 am

My dad was one of those that paid toward 102DA. He proudly displays the certificate he received with a piece of the red ribbon. As for the employees today paying for a new plane - I agree with DL_Mech. The Delta today is NOT the same Delta as in 1981-82. I use my flight Card whenever I can and grew up feeling a part of the DL family, but traveling today, I am just a passenger on the bus. Though I try to use DL when traveling, I don't get the same feeling toward the airline as I used to back then.
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RE: DL 762 Paid For By Employees

Sat Apr 02, 2005 8:26 am

"Should we expect this to apply to other carriers as long as finances remain the way they do?"

It might, but most carriers still have some pride in their history (even CO, whos had less than a stellar decade married to Texas Air). TWA most certainly did, as well as Eastern and Pan Am. Delta does too, I'm thinking, and I'm glad their showing it. AA started to show it with two stellar exapmles of the astrojets.

"As for the employees today paying for a new plane - I agree with DL_Mech. The Delta today is NOT the same Delta as in 1981-82."

Sad but true, I doubt there is one employee there who has seniority less than 1992 that would give up a chunk of his/her pay to fund their own future (even if it only has 200 seats).
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RE: DL 762 Paid For By Employees

Sat Apr 02, 2005 10:44 am

Rumor has it that the Delta B-767-200 are enroute to ABX Air when Delta takes them out of service to continue as B-767-200SF....
 
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RE: DL 762 Paid For By Employees

Sat Apr 02, 2005 11:00 am

"Sad but true, I doubt there is one employee there who has seniority less than 1992 that would give up a chunk of his/her pay to fund their own future (even if it only has 200 seats)."

If Leo and the Gang give up their Ch 11 proof retirements, I'll be happy to donate for another a/c!
 
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RE: DL 762 Paid For By Employees

Sat Apr 02, 2005 11:07 am

Quoting Vikingair (Reply 22):
Rumor has it that the Delta B-767-200 are enroute to ABX Air when Delta takes them out of service to continue as B-767-200SF....

Possible for some, but I would not expect 102DA to be one of them. Given that it is owned by Delta employees(for the most part)and one of the true examples of the spirit that Delta has had, even in the past, retiring her and sending her to the boneyard or selling her as a freighter would be a stab to all of those who gave up for her. I would expect, when its decided her day's are counting down, for there to be some negotiation with the Delta Heritage Museum to see what can be done, so if she could still not fly, at least become a static display for the Museum.
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RE: DL 762 Paid For By Employees

Sat Apr 02, 2005 1:23 pm

Delta needs the cash, 102DA will end up a freighter in ILN. This is the new reality of the business, no place for being sentimental. All that Delta family crap went away with Ron Allen and leadership 7.5.
 
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RE: DL 762 Paid For By Employees

Sat Apr 02, 2005 4:59 pm

WhalePilot, Ship 102 WILL go to the Delta Heritage Museum - there's no doubt about it. Its already a done deal but as for when, I don't know. The "crap" you refer to hasn't gone away but it definatley has diminished significantly........
 
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RE: DL 762 Paid For By Employees

Wed Apr 06, 2005 3:22 am

Thank goodness DL still has SOME pride left, althouh I wish they'd at least keep an L-1011 as well, since the plane was the one that made DL truly an international airline (not counting Caribbean and Mexican flights).
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