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Daley Allegedly Arranged ORD Contracts

Fri Apr 01, 2005 10:43 am

Courtesy: WLS-TV

Daley allegedly arranged O'Hare contracts for family friends

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/news/033005_ns_ohare_contracts.html
 
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RE: Daley Allegedly Arranged ORD Contracts

Fri Apr 01, 2005 10:52 am

Ha, now there's some real news. A Chicago Daley that didn't fix a contract (or let out a contract on someone) since what, 194X.
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RE: Daley Allegedly Arranged ORD Contracts

Fri Apr 01, 2005 10:59 am

That's Chicago politics. You get DICKed Daley!
 
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RE: Daley Allegedly Arranged ORD Contracts

Fri Apr 01, 2005 11:00 am

The Chicago Democratic machine is alive and well.

That Daley's been using ORD (and MDW for that matter) as his own personal cookie jar is old news to everyone who lives in Chicago.

Rumor has it he was opposed to a 3rd airport at Peotone because he would be unable to control it.

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RE: Daley Allegedly Arranged ORD Contracts

Fri Apr 01, 2005 12:06 pm

I wish you guys in Chicago would impeach Daley or throw him out of office at the next election. He should have been thrown in jail for what he did to Meigs.
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RE: Daley Allegedly Arranged ORD Contracts

Fri Apr 01, 2005 12:16 pm

Richard Daley,

What a piece of $hi-t! You 'acquire' and close Meigs to make it into a park, and last thing I have seen (here) is a bunch of USLESS land that NO one in their right mind would have a picnic/leisurely walk/whatever on.. You bribe(allegedly), and manipulate people to do your bidding, whilst DESPERATELY hanging on to your Daddy's coattails!! You aren't your DAD, and he's rolling in his grave, Give it up Dickey boy!!
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RE: Daley Allegedly Arranged ORD Contracts

Fri Apr 01, 2005 2:13 pm

Chicago isn't going to get rid of Richie Daley. As long as the streets are plowed, the garbage is picked up, and property taxes don't go up much, he will stay in power.

When the mayor can keep his lapdogs on the City Council, he has virtually no worries, except for the U.S. Attorney.

The only way that Richie leaves office is if he is indicted and convicted on federal charges, and considering the number of politicians and cronies that Partrick Fitzgerald has indicted and convicted, he just may get Richie convicted.
 
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RE: Daley Allegedly Arranged ORD Contracts

Fri Apr 01, 2005 2:16 pm

Gasp! Corruption in Chicago politics? Say it ain't so....
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RE: Daley Allegedly Arranged ORD Contracts

Fri Apr 01, 2005 3:27 pm

I'm not defending Daley, but please remember that the author of that report was paid a lot of money by the towns of Bensonville and Elk Grove Village to produce a negative report.
 
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RE: Daley Allegedly Arranged ORD Contracts

Fri Apr 01, 2005 7:08 pm

How is this "earthshaking" news at all relevant to the merits of the ORD expansion/reconfiguration plan?
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ATLhomeCMH
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RE: Daley Allegedly Arranged ORD Contracts

Sat Apr 02, 2005 2:52 am

That's no different than what Shirley Franklin did in ATL. She arranged the vending contracts at Hartsfield to be renewed for close friends and her political back-scratchers in the vending/restaurant distribution business.

Welcome to the weird, wild world of politics.
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RE: Daley Allegedly Arranged ORD Contracts

Sat Apr 02, 2005 3:14 am

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 9):
How is this "earthshaking" news at all relevant to the merits of the ORD expansion/reconfiguration plan?

Thank you.
 
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RE: Daley Allegedly Arranged ORD Contracts

Sat Apr 02, 2005 3:59 am

Now there is some news. The scary thing is that the Chicago Democrat machine doesnt have anything better to put forward than Daley, and since most in the city wont vote for anything without a (D) after their name, they will continue to allow him to rule with impunity.
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RE: Daley Allegedly Arranged ORD Contracts

Sat Apr 02, 2005 4:04 am

Quoting ATLhomeCMH (Reply 10):
That's no different than what Shirley Franklin did in ATL. She arranged the vending contracts at Hartsfield to be renewed for close friends and her political back-scratchers in the vending/restaurant distribution business.

Then KMIA Hired her!!! That was a horrible decision (IMHO)
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RE: Daley Allegedly Arranged ORD Contracts

Sat Apr 02, 2005 4:38 am

The fact that Richie Daley probably steered contracts at O'Hare to friends and supporters doesn't change the fact that the Chicago area needs more airport capacity.

Nor does it change the fact that expansion of ORD is better than building a 3rd airport in Peotone.

Why?

First, Peotone is more than twice the distance from downtown Chicago as compared to ORD.

Second, there is no rail link to Peotone from downtown. Not only are there rapid transit lines that connect downtown with both ORD and MDW, but there is a commuter rail line that stops at remote parking at ORD.

Third, there is no direct highway route that links the western suburbs with Peotone. There are a number of corporate headquarters and offices, including McDonald's, BP North America, Navistar, Molex, and Lucent located in the western suburbs. They have very easy access to ORD, with travel times of 30 to 60 minutes, but driving to Peotone would take 75 to 90 minutes and longer during rush hour, unless Interstate 355 is extended from I-55 to I-57. The extension to I-80 started last fall and is expected to be finished by 2008, but that project was supposed to start nearly 10 years ago. Who knows when the environmental impact study for the extension to I-57 will take place.

Fourth, the airlines don't want to go to Peotone. B6 has only moderate interest in MDW. It wants 4 or 5 gates at ORD to start a focus-city operation. Why build an airport that no one wants to use?

Yes, ORD expansion will go over budget. All projects in Chicago do. But I would rather see an over-budget expansion of ORD that will be utilized, rather than a white elephant at Peotone.
 
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RE: Daley Allegedly Arranged ORD Contracts

Sat Apr 02, 2005 5:43 am

I think I speak for a lot of folks in Chicago when I say: I don't really care what Richard Daley does as long as he succeeds in expanding the damn airport. If they can pull the airport into the 21st century and reduce delays, I'm content to let his cronies get all the contracts they want.

Besides, as Ordpark says, the good people of Bensenville and Elk Grove Village funded this report. They're hardly impartial in this fight.
 
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RE: Daley Allegedly Arranged ORD Contracts

Sat Apr 02, 2005 6:16 am

Slightly off topic, but wasn't there a thread a while back on something similar going on with the remodel of MIA?
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RE: Daley Allegedly Arranged ORD Contracts

Sat Apr 02, 2005 7:35 am

haha. here is another "mayor daley is corrupt" thread

people who don't live in chicago or don't know how things work just have to understand, thats how things work...haha. There isn't much you can do about it right now other than bitch about it. Chicago is corrupt, Illinois itself is corrupt, and has been for many many many years. It's not going to change anytime soon. Mayor Daley runs a decent city, perhaps with somewhat of an iron fist but he gets the job done. You have to put up with the bad to get the good. Chicago is still a great place to visit and live. How does it really affect anyone if he fixes a deal for people he knows, as long as they get the job done and do it right for a modest amount of money you as the consumer and/or spotter don't have to worry about anything.

Is it morally right? no
does it work? Yes
does it work well? yes.
does the majority of his constituents care? no, thats why he's still in office.

the name Daley will always be associated with Chicago, as well as corruption.

** on a side note...
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RE: Daley Allegedly Arranged ORD Contracts

Sat Apr 02, 2005 8:06 am

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 17):
You have to put up with the bad to get the good.

Why do you have to put up with the bad to get the good? You don't think it's possible to have an effectively run city without corruption?

As for the 3rd airport, I'm looking at Mapquest...Gary is closer to Chicago than Peotone, so why develop a new airport when an underused one is just sitting there?
 
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RE: Daley Allegedly Arranged ORD Contracts

Sat Apr 02, 2005 8:13 am

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 5):
What a piece of $hi-t! You 'acquire' and close Meigs to make it into a park, and last thing I have seen (here) is a bunch of USLESS land that NO one in their right mind would have a picnic/leisurely walk/whatever on..

Oh being a Chicagoan - you should hear about the new plan... daley is looking to build a floating casino next to what used to be meigs field, and the "park" will become a park-ing lot

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RE: Daley Allegedly Arranged ORD Contracts

Sat Apr 02, 2005 11:53 am

What a conniving bastard.
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RE: Daley Allegedly Arranged ORD Contracts

Sat Apr 02, 2005 12:45 pm

Reply 17 reminds me of an old quotation about Musolini that at least the trains ran on time.
 
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RE: Daley Allegedly Arranged ORD Contracts

Sat Apr 02, 2005 2:39 pm

ExFATboy:

Let me answer the second question first. There are two problems with Gary. First, there are toxic wastes areas around the airport that must be cleaned up with expansion. That costs money. Also, there are roadways and a rail line that must be moved, if the main runway is extended to handle heavy aircraft departing on long flights.

Second, if the airport is in Indiana, then Illinois gets no benefit in terms of revenue and jobs.

As for the first question, Chicagoans simply tolerate corruption in politics and government. There are a lot of city services that the suburbs contract out to private firms, such as refuse hauling. If Chicago elected someone who tried to reduce the cost of government by laying off workers and putting up services for bid, there would be a substantial increase in the unemployment rate.

A lot of people believe that only those people who vote for the Machine, contribute, and do campaign work are entitled to city services. If you pull Republican ballots in the primary, or put a sign up for an indepenent Democrat, a lot of people feel that you don't deserve to have your sidewalks replaced when they are crumbling, or the potholes in the street in front of your house filled.

What's ironic is that Richie wanted to build a third airport on the site of some old steel mills on the southeast side of the city. When a commission recommended the Peotone site, he then decided that ORD and MDW could handle the traffic, then modernized MDW, then hatched the ORD expansion plan.

Why? Money, jobs, and political power.
 
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RE: Daley Allegedly Arranged ORD Contracts

Sat Apr 02, 2005 2:48 pm

Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 18):
Why do you have to put up with the bad to get the good? You don't think it's possible to have an effectively run city without corruption?

You don't know much about Chicago, do you? It's not just the city, half the suburbs are the same way *coughCICEROcough*. As much as I don't like him, and many others don't like him, Daley isn't going anywhere until he pisses off enough people at the same time someone who actually has a chance in hell of beating him runs. The probability of that happening is slim-to-none, so until then, Chicago will run how it is. At least it's a gorgeous city, with, IMO, the most impressive skyline in the world. Was down on LSD today, gonna miss it next year in college...

And in case you didn't notice, these allegations have been brought up by the cities of Elk Grove Village, Bensenville, and Park Ridge (who coinicidentally are also stringently against ORD expansion...makes ya think).
 
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RE: Daley Allegedly Arranged ORD Contracts

Sun Apr 03, 2005 8:06 am

Ckfred, thanks for the info on Gary - didn't realize that it has these issues. OTOH, I wonder it it wouldn't just be cheaper to address these issues rather than build a new airport from scratch, especially if the money pit known as DEN is any example. Not sure which would be cheaper, and I'd think the toxic waste has to be cleaned up sooner or later regardless of whether the airport expands or not.

As for the jobs, I was thinking from an airline's POV - not really interested in whether the jobs are in Indiana or Illinois, just which would be a more cost-effective solution.

I've never really figured out why Chicagoans seem to tolerate such corruption, or if the corruption just exists everywhere (at least to some degree) and Chicago's is just a little more open and blatant. Either way, it's a good argument for privatizing, isn't it?
 
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RE: Daley Allegedly Arranged ORD Contracts

Sun Apr 03, 2005 10:00 am

Airport corruption is everywhere! I have worked on projects at airports all over the United States. Larger airports require Billions of dollars (yes Billion with a B) to build terminals and runways so that attracts politician and contractors who are interested in putting their hands in the till. ATL, DTW, LAX, MIA and ORD are just a few of the major airports in the US that have had corruption scandals. Small airports tend to be more clean since less money is involved.

It is no different than the corruption that goes on at that federal level with defense contractors (think Dick Cheney and Halliburtion). But with defense contractors you are talking about hundreds of Billions of dollars.