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US Carriers Setting Up Regionals In The UK?

Fri Apr 01, 2005 11:22 pm

I was wondering the other day why none of the US carriers have not set up a regional airline of their own in the United Kingdom. E.g AA with American Eagle UK or something similar. Surely it would mean that more passengers could connect through hubs such as LHR where there is very limited services with frequent services to smaller airports. Seen as BA does not have any citiexpress a/c based at LHR it would make sense to do something about it.
Also surely wouldn't americans prefer to travel on their home countries airline?
Any views would be great. Cheers.
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RE: US Carriers Setting Up Regionals In The UK?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 12:20 am

hmmm, not too sure about the reasoning behind that. I know BA do operate in other countries, such as Comair in S.Africa and Sun Air of Scaninavia. But these are BA Franchises. I cant see us here in the UK jumping at a chance to fly American from say NCL-LON, especially with the reputation for the 'over the top' security and all the polava that goes with it. Just dont see the point especially with the codeshare flights ops by BA with AA pax, and BD flying UA pax on omestic routes outa LHR to MAN, Belfast, NCL, ABZ, MME, GLA, EDI, INV, GCI, JER and EMA. ALl the trunk routes. ALl i can think a new AA Owned airline doing would maybe IOM, but this is already covered into LON. I just ont think it would work.

I know Qantas have the LHR-MAN Shuttle, but this service is a bit of a white elephant-QF could easily sens its pax up the road on a BA flight.
 
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RE: US Carriers Setting Up Regionals In The UK?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 12:38 am

If US carriers are allowed to set up regionals in the UK, UK airlines will in turn require the right to set up regionals in their US hubs. Bearing in mind Bermuda II and US/UK law regarding foreign ownership, I cannot see permission forthcoming from either the US or the UK Governments.

Of course, if an US carrier decided to establish an UK subsidiary to be a regional carrier in the UK (although the majority ownership would have to be UK based), then that would be a different matter but there would be too many hurdles to overcome, the major hurdle being getting slots at LHR.

Please keep LHR free from likes of ERJs!

The QF shuttle is temporary and operates to preserve QF's slots at LHR (which I believe are earmarked for their new service LHR-SYD via HKG)

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RE: US Carriers Setting Up Regionals In The UK?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 12:45 am

Yep it would need identical rights for UK carriers in the US for it to happen - and rightly so.

To be honest though there is no real reason to do so. The major US carriers mainly find it easier to use codeshares or other agreements to get their traffic from the UK onto their transatlantic services.

AA use BA, UA use BD. NW focus more on AMS, so can use the numerous KLM services to UK regional airports. CO increasingly fly directly to the UK regional airports so have no reason for a susdiary, while DL is pretty limited in its services to the UK anyway.

So none of them really have the need for the expense of providing a feeder service onto their transatlantic flights. They would look to serve more major European destinations directly first before coming up with their own airline.

Having said all that - lets not forget that thanks to a quirk of history, Pan Am and TWA used to operate services within Europe in the past - including internal domestic German services to the West Berlin ! They based 727s in europe to do this.
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RE: US Carriers Setting Up Regionals In The UK?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 3:16 am

And having Cornish said that - let´s not forget, that American, United and Delta who bought all the TWA and Pan Am assets, still have the legal rights to offer those services if they want to (with the exception of the internal German services, which went to Lufthansa, even before Pan Am folded)!

In fact, both Delta and United continued to offer internal European connections on 727´s (and Delta on ex Pan Am A310 and other longhaul equipment also) for a couple of years! The Delta mini hub in FRA was abandoned in 1998.

In times of worldwide airline alliances operating such a hub became pointless to the airlines! But the rights to do it, are still one of their assets!

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RE: US Carriers Setting Up Regionals In The UK?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 8:53 pm

Quoting Cornish (Reply 3):
Pan Am and TWA used to operate services within Europe in the past - including internal domestic German services to the West Berlin

TWA and PanAm operated internal German services until the 70s as part of the treaty after the end of WW2 was that no German based airline, including Lufthansa, could operate from any Berlin airport. West Berlin was open to the allies and East Berlin strictly for the iron curtain carriers.
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