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AA Gets Final Approval For China

Sat Apr 02, 2005 2:49 am

American Airlines today got final approval for service to China, after having previously recieved tentative approval. Congratulations to AA. They can now start marketing the service, and loading it into res systems:

http://dms.dot.gov/search/document.c...m?documentid=323250&docketid=19077
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RE: AA Gets Final Approval For China

Sat Apr 02, 2005 2:59 am

I guess the objections from United didn't pay off. I think the govt. grated AA service from Chicago to compete with UA, and to cover their asses just in case UA goes under. Sounds logical to me. What do you guys think?
 
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RE: AA Gets Final Approval For China

Sat Apr 02, 2005 3:13 am

This has been an interesting case in that the applicants played strictly to the advantages of their hubs. Does this mean that future routes from NY, the US's biggest market, have been abandoned by the other majors to CO?

"Open skies" would make designated-point routes moot, but meanwhile ...
 
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RE: AA Gets Final Approval For China

Sat Apr 02, 2005 3:18 am

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 2):
Does this mean that future routes from NY, the US's biggest market, have been abandoned by the other majors to CO?

UA still serves NRT and LHR from JFK. Don't AA and DL still have international flights from JFK?
 
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RE: AA Gets Final Approval For China

Sat Apr 02, 2005 3:21 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 3):

UA still serves NRT and LHR from JFK. Don't AA and DL still have international flights from JFK?

AA and Delta have huge international operations out of JFK.

Delta has a huge network to Europe, while American Airlines has an extensive network to major cities in South America, Europe, the Caribbean, and Tokyo.
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RE: AA Gets Final Approval For China

Sat Apr 02, 2005 3:42 am

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 2):
This has been an interesting case in that the applicants played strictly to the advantages of their hubs. Does this mean that future routes from NY, the US's biggest market, have been abandoned by the other majors to CO?

This above quote is a slight exaggeration.

MAH4546 explains......

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):
AA and Delta have huge international operations out of JFK.

Delta has a huge network to Europe, while American Airlines has an extensive network to major cities in South America, Europe, the Caribbean, and Tokyo.

However, there is certainly an element of truth to what MasseyBrown says in the first quote. For a marquee route from NYC such as NYC-PEK, I doubt any other carrier would even bother trying if they knew they would be going against CO for such a route.
 
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RE: AA Gets Final Approval For China

Sat Apr 02, 2005 3:48 am

Obviously the other majors have EXISTING operations in New York, but my point was I have not seen them going after anything new.

Maybe this will change after AA gets it's new terminal at JFK, although the scope of that project has been reduced.
 
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RE: AA Gets Final Approval For China

Sat Apr 02, 2005 4:50 am

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 6):
Obviously the other majors have EXISTING operations in New York, but my point was I have not seen them going after anything new.

American has introduced many new international routes out of NYC since 2002, including three to Europe. JFK-LRM, JFK-FCO, JFK-NRT, JFK-ZRH (this was introduced October 2001), JFK-BRU, JFK-YYZ, JFK-YHZ, JFK-SJO, and LGA-NAS come to mind.
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RE: AA Gets Final Approval For China

Sat Apr 02, 2005 5:01 am

OK, MAH, even if I claim FCO and ZRH were TWA legacies, that's still longer list than I would have guessed.
 
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RE: AA Gets Final Approval For China

Sat Apr 02, 2005 12:52 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):
AA and Delta have huge international operations out of JFK.

CO flies more International passengers from EWR than AA and DL from JFK combined, with the new additions CO is adding this Summer at EWR (Berlin, Belfast, Bristol, Stockholm, Hamburg, Beijing, Lagos, Accara?) CO will serve more International passengers from EWR than the top 4 JFK carriers combined.

There's a reason why AA and DL did not apply for JFK-China rights.

[Edited 2005-04-02 04:54:00]
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RE: AA Gets Final Approval For China

Sat Apr 02, 2005 3:10 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 9):
CO is adding this Summer at EWR (Berlin, Belfast, Bristol, Stockholm, Hamburg, Beijing, Lagos, Accara?

Yes, and whatever happened to CO's EWR-LOS flight that was supposed to begin this spring??
 
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RE: AA Gets Final Approval For China

Sat Apr 02, 2005 4:31 pm

STT757,

Yup, CO is huge out of EWR. But shouldn't we look at the number of available seats too? I mean, AA operates JFK-LHR which counts as 1 route, but they fliy seven 777 roundtrips a day!

Yes, also looking forward to that EWR-LOS flight!
 
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RE: AA Gets Final Approval For China

Sun Apr 03, 2005 12:16 am

Quoting AA B777-200 (Reply 11):
But shouldn't we look at the number of available seats too?

When I say

Quoting STT757 (Reply 9):
CO flies more International passengers from EWR than AA and DL from JFK combined

Im sure they are all seated  Wink

Note I said passengers and not destinations.

CO flies over 5 and half Million International passengers from EWR in '04, compared to AA's 3 Million and DL's 1.5 Million from JFK.
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RE: AA Gets Final Approval For China

Sun Apr 03, 2005 1:51 am

STT757- You also need to count LGA for DL and AA because many of their domestic flights operate from there.

If AA was allowed to fly another route to PVG maybe they would choose JFK, the CO flight is too far east so that it relies mainly on O&D. If people wanted to connect they'd go west, not east (unless they were a member of A.net).

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RE: AA Gets Final Approval For China

Sun Apr 03, 2005 2:26 am

Quoting AA787 (Reply 13):
You also need to count LGA for DL and AA because many of their domestic flights operate from there

I thought we are talking International passengers, either way CO flies more passengers (Domestic and International) from EWR than AA at EWR, LGA and JFK combined.
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