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Frontier: N939FR First Look

Sat Apr 02, 2005 9:20 am

Penguins do fly, as they have left the paint shop....
http://planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=319390

Any word on when this will head over. I believe that N940FR should be close behind, and then it will be a while until the next one.
 
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RE: Frontier: N939FR First Look

Sat Apr 02, 2005 9:23 am

Hooray, penguins!  Smile

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RE: Frontier: N939FR First Look

Sat Apr 02, 2005 9:56 am

Oh, SWEET!!

I love penguins!!!
 
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RE: Frontier: N939FR First Look

Sat Apr 02, 2005 10:11 am

Hooray for penguins!!!

But doesn't this defeat the concept of having animals from North America?
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RE: Frontier: N939FR First Look

Sat Apr 02, 2005 10:55 am

That plane looks awesome! I still can't figure out why I love those Frontier planes so much? Hmmmm. Maybe I should get a job with them.
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RE: Frontier: N939FR First Look

Sat Apr 02, 2005 10:58 am

Quoting FlyingNanook (Reply 3):
But doesn't this defeat the concept of having animals from North America?

Oh, who cares, they're so cute!  Wink

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RE: Frontier: N939FR First Look

Sat Apr 02, 2005 11:12 am

Quoting FlyingNanook (Reply 3):
But doesn't this defeat the concept of having animals from North America?

I figured that with the amount of new planes F9 was getting they'd soon run out of animals to put on the tail. I must agree, though; that plane looks awesome! Way to go, Frontier!

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Sat Apr 02, 2005 3:23 pm

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 1):
Hooray, penguins!

First a great looking airplane! Second, many moons ago I was patrol leader for Penguin patrol back in boy scouts!  Smile

And totally off topic, I'm a Linux supporter, so I know penguins are set for world domination.  duck 

My dad is completely baffled by F9's hub from Denver strategy. Personally, I'm impressed how well they've done with it. I believe F9 will be one of the survivors. Obviously due to gread looking tails.  swirl 
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RE: Frontier: N939FR First Look

Sat Apr 02, 2005 3:26 pm

Now all we need is a tail adorned by an Albino Alligator, and we'll be all set!
 
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RE: Frontier: N939FR First Look

Sat Apr 02, 2005 3:28 pm

Ack...I gotta admit Im not a fan of that one...I think its because of the white background, its not something that would catch my eye right away at an airport, unlike many other F9 tails whose colors are blatantly distinctive from the rest of the fuselage...

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RE: Frontier: N939FR First Look

Sat Apr 02, 2005 3:48 pm

Lightsaber:

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 7):
My dad is completely baffled by F9's hub from Denver strategy.

At the recent Goldman Sachs conference, people asked questions of CEO Potter about the LAX/DEN thing.

Here is a summary of what he said, courtesy of "xlake" on the Yahoo board:

http://finance.messages.yahoo.com/bb...112&tid=frnt&sid=7082112&mid=19609

I think that the airline world is a very different place when oil is $57 a barrel from what it was at $30 a barrel.

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Sat Apr 02, 2005 4:09 pm

Thanks for that very interesting link, Mariner...learned a lot from it!

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Sat Apr 02, 2005 4:13 pm

USAFHummer:

Did you work out that if you hit "previous" (message) and "next" (message) there's a lot more?

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Sat Apr 02, 2005 4:15 pm

Quoting Mariner (Reply 12):
Did you work out that if you hit "previous" (message) and "next" (message) there's a lot more?

Yep...a lot of the Yahoo! board stuff seems to be about stock prices and other stock information and that doesn't really interest me too much so I dont often go there, but the stuff from Potter was good to hear as an F9 frequent flyer...

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Sat Apr 02, 2005 4:26 pm

Penquins ROCK!

They are the cutest. Great pic!
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Sat Apr 02, 2005 7:51 pm

Quoting Mariner (Reply 10):
Here is a summary of what he said, courtesy of "xlake" on the Yahoo board:

Mariner, thanks for the link. Several bits struck me:
1. The healthy Mexican market yields. I'm thinking F9 has found their niche.
2. The undertone that customers do not like the RJ's compared to "airbi" but that F9 will go for 70 seaters (shorter routes?).
3. The need to keep up yield (charging for the TV, etc.).
4. F9 is in a steady growth mode, but a metered growth mode.
5. Customer pushback was a concern that was on his mind. (Not yet here, but a condition to be feared if not dreaded.)

Quoting Mariner (Reply 10):
I think that the airline world is a very different place when oil is $57 a barrel from what it was at $30 a barrel.

I agree. Last I heart there were just under 650 US airports with daily commercial service; I strongly believe that many of the smaller stations will be closed to cut costs. Obviously high yield stations will continue to operate. I'm predicting that high oil prices will trigger a shakeout starting this Fall.

As I've stated before, I'm bearish on the 50 seat RJ's. (Not that they'll disappear, just that a few hundred will be looking for a home; lonely aluminum souls looking out from the desert boneyards starting this Fall or Winter.) Due to their much better economics, I'm bullish on the larger RJ's and the E-jets.

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Sat Apr 02, 2005 8:12 pm

re: the penguins, i actually kinda like it, except i think the dark green engine cowls look kinda silly. anybody else notice that?

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RE: Frontier: N939FR First Look

Sat Apr 02, 2005 8:38 pm

Lightsaber:

That's a whole lot of stuff.  Smile

Mexico - from Day 1, Mexico was terrific for Frontier, which is why United wanted a big slice of the pie.

However, Frontier serves most (not all, but most) of the big resorts, so what happens? Will they go to other resorts (Caribbean/Costa Rica/Belize) or to business destinations in Mexico? Or the smaller resorts in Mexico?

CEO Potter has hinted at both the Caribbean and "Central America" before, and he did it again in the GS presentation by talking about Mexico and "Latin America".

Mexico AND Latin America? Hmmm.

With LAX out of the way, what CEO Potter says appears to be true. They just bumped IND up to 3 x daily, and for the past three days and through Sunday, virtually every flight DEN/IND is "not available" (Frontier speak for sold out).

Similarly for MDW which is now up to 5 x daily and is seeing more service to DEN by ATA and, of course, United (Ted). But at the moment, the Frontier flights are full. Yields on that route? Dunno.

I think your reading of the RJ situation is probably accurate. The contract with Horizon allows for up to 20 CR7's. but Frontier seems to be in no hurry to expand from the present 9, even assuming more were available.

There is also some resistance to even the 70 seaters. When Frontier announced that DEN/OMA was going back to all mainline (from all express) the message boards were swamped with Omaha people cheering - and complaining about the CR7's.

For other airlines, I think the 50 seat RJ is a plane whose time has gone. Problem is, the majors ordered them in such numbers, and based entire business models on the use of them, so how do they alter that?

It's hard to imagine the majors can just ditch the fleets of RJ's and replace 'em with, say, E175's.

That would cost some bucks.

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Sat Apr 02, 2005 9:46 pm

Mariner,
First, welcome to my RU list! Ummm... With an RR of 49, why do I have a feeling that doesn't give you the thrill it used too...  bouncy 

Quoting Mariner (Reply 17):
CEO Potter has hinted at both the Caribbean and "Central America" before, and he did it again in the GS presentation by talking about Mexico and "Latin America".

Both markets make sense. Ok, a penguin in the Caribbean would be a bit ironic!  cloudnine 

Quoting Mariner (Reply 17):
Mexico AND Latin America? Hmmm.

Yes, a definite Hmmm... But how far down can the A319's go? Certainly central America, but my first assumption would be no further south than Colombia. Still, many opportunities for F9.

Quoting Mariner (Reply 17):
There is also some resistance to even the 70 seaters. When Frontier announced that DEN/OMA was going back to all mainline (from all express) the message boards were swamped with Omaha people cheering - and complaining about the CR7's.

Interesting... Maybe I should reduce my enthusiasm on the CRJ700/900? Personally, I'm already much more enthusiastic on the E-jets. (Note: do NOT expect F9 to be on the E-jet bandwagon for many years, if ever.)

Quoting Mariner (Reply 17):
For other airlines, I think the 50 seat RJ is a plane whose time has gone. Problem is, the majors ordered them in such numbers, and based entire business models on the use of them, so how do they alter that?

There in a catch 22. As you noted, its a different world at $57/bbl vs. $30/bbl. I expect the "express" divisions to be sold/spun off and then the contracts to be cut, cut, cut!  ouch  The market has to rationalize some how. (That's always painful...)

Lightsaber

ps: I added the photo of N939FR to my background slide show.
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RE: Frontier: N939FR First Look

Sun Apr 03, 2005 12:45 am

I look forward to spotting and shooting it in Orange County (SNA), thanks for the first look.

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RE: Frontier: N939FR First Look

Sun Apr 03, 2005 12:49 am

Quoting FlyingNanook (Reply 3):
But doesn't this defeat the concept of having animals from North America?

I would bet that there are a few hundred penguins born every year in North America.
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RE: Frontier: N939FR First Look

Sun Apr 03, 2005 1:18 am

Quoting Rlwynn (Reply 20):
I would bet that there are a few hundred penguins born every year in North America

Only in Zoos/Aquariums!!!

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penguins

"Penguins (order Sphenisciformes, family Spheniscidae) are an order of flightless birds living in the southern hemisphere"

"and will occasionally cross the equator while feeding."
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RE: Frontier: N939FR First Look

Sun Apr 03, 2005 1:20 am

Thats cool! A flightless bird on an airplane! How cute!  Wink

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Sun Apr 03, 2005 1:57 am

Quoting Mariner (Reply 10):
At the recent Goldman Sachs conference, people asked questions of CEO Potter about the LAX/DEN thing.

Here is a summary of what he said, courtesy of "xlake" on the Yahoo board:

Very good link, as the CEO has explained this to the employees. Potter is a very good CEO, and he explains it how it is. This guy has my fullest respect!
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RE: Frontier: N939FR First Look

Sun Apr 03, 2005 2:06 am

Quoting UAalltheway (Reply 2):
Oh, SWEET!!

I love penguins!!!

UAalltheway,
I agree 100% with you...
I love penquins too!!

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RE: Frontier: N939FR First Look

Sun Apr 03, 2005 4:37 am

I love it! Gotta admit that is one sharp looking airplane!
I don't like the baby bus families looks in general but for some reason F9's simple design rocks those planes in my eyes!
Do they have any frog tails? Hee hee, now that could be cute  smile 

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RE: Frontier: N939FR First Look

Sun Apr 03, 2005 7:14 am

PENGUINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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RE: Frontier: N939FR First Look

Sun Apr 03, 2005 7:41 am

Quoting FlyingNanook (Reply 3):
But doesn't this defeat the concept of having animals from North America?

Aren't penguins found in Alaska and northern Canada near the Arctic circle?
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Sun Apr 03, 2005 7:45 am

Quoting Dragon-wings (Reply 27):
Aren't penguins found in Alaska and northern Canada near the Arctic circle?

Not if you believe Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penguins
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RE: Frontier: N939FR First Look

Sun Apr 03, 2005 8:06 am

How does Airbus fly these planes over to the US?
 
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Sun Apr 03, 2005 8:06 am

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 18):
There is also some resistance to even the 70 seaters. When Frontier announced that DEN/OMA was going back to all mainline (from all express) the message boards were swamped with Omaha people cheering - and complaining about the CR7's.

I can understand. The problem with any CRJ variant (in pax comfort) is the width of the fuselage. It's really not quite wide enough for 4 seats. The window seat is basically unusable for anyone over 6'0". I am 6'7" and my shoulder is jammed into the side of the fuselage on CRJ window seats. It's an extremely uncomfortable situation.

Ironically, I find the smaller ERJ 135/140/145 to be better in comfort, at least when you're seated. Headroom when standing is of course very limited.
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RE: Frontier: N939FR First Look

Sun Apr 03, 2005 8:07 am

Quoting Dragon-wings (Reply 27):
Aren't penguins found in Alaska and northern Canada near the Arctic circle?

Short and not so sweet answer: NO
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RE: Frontier: N939FR First Look

Sun Apr 03, 2005 8:11 am

Tha

Quoting FlyingNanook (Reply 31):
Short and not so sweet answer: NO

Thanks I always thought there was some penguins found up there in Alaska and Canada.
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RE: Frontier: N939FR First Look

Sun Apr 03, 2005 8:15 am

with all these flights to Florida on Frontier I am surprised they don't have an alligator or a Manatee yet
 
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Sun Apr 03, 2005 8:36 am

That's the finest piece of tail I've ever seen......

 Smile

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RE: Frontier: N939FR First Look

Sun Apr 03, 2005 8:39 am

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 33):
with all these flights to Florida on Frontier I am surprised they don't have an alligator or a Manatee yet

With the artistry that they gave the penguins, I would LOVE to see manatees!!!
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Sun Apr 03, 2005 8:42 am

Absolutely lovely scheme, one of my favourites yet!

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RE: Frontier: N939FR First Look

Sun Apr 03, 2005 8:55 am

Awesome! I really like how it goes with the dark green engines.
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RE: Frontier: N939FR First Look

Sun Apr 03, 2005 9:02 am

yes, have to admit, great colors! Just gotta love it!
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RE: Frontier: N939FR First Look

Sun Apr 03, 2005 9:05 am

That will be another awesome airplane for us to have. Can't wait to see it at DIA. Potter is an awesome CEO as well. He knows what to do and is taking the right steps. We are very lucky to have him.
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RE: Frontier: N939FR First Look

Sun Apr 03, 2005 9:12 am

Yay, penguins!

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 21):
Only in Zoos/Aquariums!!!

Don't forget the little guys at the Flamingo Hotel in Las Vegas!

And I predict that someday F9 will have a manatee jet - they're just saving it for the most appropriate plane, their first A380!  Silly
 
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RE: Frontier: N939FR First Look

Thu Apr 14, 2005 11:32 pm

In looking at the schedule it appears that this plane will be heading over on 20APR, with a revenue flight to DEN on 21APR. Can anyone confirm this?
 
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RE: Frontier: N939FR First Look

Fri Apr 15, 2005 1:44 am

Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 40):
Don't forget the little guys at the Flamingo Hotel in Las Vegas!

There is a ton at the New England Aquarium. They get center stage.
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RE: Frontier: N939FR First Look

Fri Apr 15, 2005 2:06 pm

They even got a couple ads on the F9 website.  Wink

http://www.frontierairlines.com/about/commercials.asp

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RE: Frontier: N939FR First Look

Fri Apr 15, 2005 2:25 pm

Haha, Those Frontier planes with the animal tails always crack me up when I see one roll by. Most airlines have some boring ass one for all logo. Nice touch Frontier...nice touch.
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RE: Frontier: N939FR First Look

Sat Apr 16, 2005 2:10 am

How many diferent tail design animals does Frontier have???
Do they have it also in the CRJ`s???
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RE: Frontier: N939FR First Look

Sat Apr 16, 2005 2:48 am

Quoting FlyingNanook (Reply 3):
But doesn't this defeat the concept of having animals from North America?

Alaska?
 
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RE: Frontier: N939FR First Look

Sat Apr 16, 2005 3:36 am

Erikwilliam;

Most of the tail designs can be seen on an ad on the homepage of the Frontier website. http://www.frontierairlines.com/index.asp

Unfortunately; they're too small to see in detail--no pun intended.
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RE: Frontier: N939FR First Look

Sat Apr 16, 2005 4:42 am

Click on "Frontier" and you will find is all the critter tails - the ones that are and the ones that were:

http://www.lockonaviation.net/

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RE: Frontier: N939FR First Look

Sat Apr 16, 2005 4:59 am

Hi,

U can get posters of that picture shown on the website, Don't know how you can get one, but they have been made.

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