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A380 Rolling Tests

Sat Apr 02, 2005 5:31 pm

Just read in "Der Spiegel"(The Mirror) that the A380 is starting with rolling tests next week and that the first flight is due for end April.Does anyone have more information?
 
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RE: A380 Rolling Tests

Sat Apr 02, 2005 9:20 pm

Makes me wonder if the blasted thing is EVER going to get off the ground  Smile

'End of April' is bad news for the publicity boys - not much chance of proving it safe in time to do a fly-by over the Paris Air Show in mid-June.

Bad news for the marketing people too. According to the orders placed, the first production A380s are supposed to be delivered in the second quarter of 2006. That looks less and less likely.
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RE: A380 Rolling Tests

Sun Apr 03, 2005 12:27 am

Is it ever going to fly! What a disappointment, I heard it would fly in early April at the latest! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
 
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RE: A380 Rolling Tests

Sun Apr 03, 2005 12:38 am

I'd be willing to bet that the WhaleJet does eventually fly -- probably before the end of 2005.  duck 
 
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RE: A380 Rolling Tests

Sun Apr 03, 2005 12:47 am

Have they at least bothered to fire up the engines? Will it start?? Curiouser and curiouser... confused 
 
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RE: A380 Rolling Tests

Sun Apr 03, 2005 12:49 am

Before they do the taxi tests, I would imagine they need to do the water displacement tests first. The A380 should displace approx the same amount as an adult Beluga Whale....
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RE: A380 Rolling Tests

Sun Apr 03, 2005 12:53 am

Would the bureaucrats withhold certification if the WhaleJet fails the water displacement test?  duck 
 
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RE: A380 Rolling Tests

Sun Apr 03, 2005 1:10 am

Quoting USAFMXOfficer (Reply 5):
The A380 should displace approx the same amount as an adult Beluga Whale....

That's nothing...more like a pod of humpbacks!  Wink
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RE: A380 Rolling Tests

Sun Apr 03, 2005 1:13 am

Most of these jokes have been told a million times by now, please invent new ones.
 
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RE: A380 Rolling Tests

Sun Apr 03, 2005 1:17 am

Quoting Agill (Reply 8):
Most of these jokes have been told a million times by now, please invent new ones.

OK

Why did the A380 taxi across the road?

Because it couldn't takeoff and fly over it.

[Edited 2005-04-02 17:49:13]
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RE: A380 Rolling Tests

Sun Apr 03, 2005 1:35 am

Meanwhile the Boeing 777-200LR was rolled out on 15th. February and had its maiden flight on March 8th. First delivery January 2006.

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2005/q1/nr_050308h.html

I get the feeling that this one will be a fun aeroplane. It will take 300 passengers up to 11,000 miles on 55,000 gallons of fuel. And apparently Boeing are planning some stunts with it - including talking to Qantas about London-Sydney direct, which will really be something if they can pull it off.
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RE: A380 Rolling Tests

Sun Apr 03, 2005 1:43 am

Leelaw:  laughing   laughing  Good stuff haha
 
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RE: A380 Rolling Tests

Sun Apr 03, 2005 2:20 am

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 1):
Bad news for the marketing people too. According to the orders placed, the first production A380s are supposed to be delivered in the second quarter of 2006. That looks less and less likely.

Well the first production 380 is being built right now so you may have to reconsider that.

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 10):
Meanwhile the Boeing 777-200LR was rolled out on 15th. February and had its maiden flight on March 8th. First delivery January 2006.

Was the 772LR a completely new aircraft? No... it was a derivative of a previous one. Keep in mind that there are very few aircraft that have attempted the things the A380 will... it will take some time.

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 10):
I get the feeling that this one will be a fun aeroplane. It will take 300 passengers up to 11,000 miles on 55,000 gallons of fuel. And apparently Boeing are planning some stunts with it - including talking to Qantas about London-Sydney direct, which will really be something if they can pull it off.

That should be fun with the five other people that may be able to travel on the flight with you due to the weight restrictions. LHR-SYD may be possible on paper... but take into account weather and weight and you have yourself a problem.
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RE: A380 Rolling Tests

Sun Apr 03, 2005 2:31 am

Quoting Welwitschia (Thread starter):
Just read in "Der Spiegel"(The Mirror) that the A380 is starting with rolling tests next week and that the first flight is due for end April.Does anyone have more information?

Der Spiegel also reported about "problems with the tail" some weeks ago and it's not clear whether it was pure speculation or not. I don't take everything of their stuff for real. Some sources suggest first flight to be April 18th.

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 1):
'End of April' is bad news for the publicity boys - not much chance of proving it safe in time to do a fly-by over the Paris Air Show in mid-June.

Why? Two or three weeks make not much of a difference.

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 1):
Bad news for the marketing people too. According to the orders placed, the first production A380s are supposed to be delivered in the second quarter of 2006. That looks less and less likely.

Third quarter sounds more realistic. But it's a completely new design, so no surprise at all. Boeing once caused a real mess with the B737NG introduction, so it can happen anywhere.

Quoting Agill (Reply 8):
Most of these jokes have been told a million times by now, please invent new ones.

Let them have their fun, they have to find something new soon.  Wink

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 10):
Meanwhile the Boeing 777-200LR was rolled out on 15th. February and had its maiden flight on March 8th. First delivery January 2006.

And? It's a derivative, not a new design. Can't compare them at all.

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 10):
I get the feeling that this one will be a fun aeroplane.

Most Eco pax won't find it funny after 18-20 hour nonstops...  ill 

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 10):
And apparently Boeing are planning some stunts with it - including talking to Qantas about London-Sydney direct, which will really be something if they can pull it off.

What would be the purpose to fly LHR-SYD nonstop while still having to stop for SYD-LHR? I doubt Qantas would purchase such an expensive aircraft for a time saving of two or three hours on one leg.


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RE: A380 Rolling Tests

Sun Apr 03, 2005 2:38 am

Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 12):
LHR-SYD may be possible on paper...

LHR-SYD would be easy for a B777-200LR with 300 passengers. The difficulty is SYD-LHR. Going west, the max payload is not more than 200 passengers, if that.
 
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RE: A380 Rolling Tests

Sun Apr 03, 2005 3:15 am

In defense of the A380 (OMG..what is this world coming to, I'm actually defending this Monstrosity!!...yikes), being such a large aircraft, with many new technologies, I find it to not be a big deal if its a few weeks late, or even if its a few months late........Whether or not the purchasers have taken this into consideration , I don't know, but its a bit unrealistic to nail everything down to the day or week.......

I've already posted my reasons as to why I'm not a fan of this plane, but I do believe it will fly...!!
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RE: A380 Rolling Tests

Sun Apr 03, 2005 3:32 am

Oh i've never heard those jokes before and they are pretty funny. Gave me a saturday morning chuckle.  Smile Any more out there?... Keep em coming please
 
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RE: A380 Rolling Tests

Sun Apr 03, 2005 3:37 am

Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 12):
Well the first production 380 is being built right now so you may have to reconsider that.

I didn't realize manufacturers made pre-production aircraft anymore. Perhaps you meant the first aircraft delivered to an airline (SQ-L/N 005)?

Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 12):
Keep in mind that there are very few aircraft that have attempted the things the A380 will

Such as?

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 15):
with many new technologies

Such as?
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RE: A380 Rolling Tests

Sun Apr 03, 2005 3:44 am

Quoting Udo (Reply 13):
Quoting NAV20 (Reply 10):
I get the feeling that this one will be a fun aeroplane.

Most Eco pax won't find it funny after 18-20 hour nonstops...

I totally agree with Udo. Theres no way you'll find me stuck on an aircraft for more then 16 hours (15.5 was long enough). Fare enough there are people out there willing to spend the money and pay the extra couple of grand to fly business, but not everyone, including me, has this sort of money. Give me the cheaper option with a break in-between anyday.

As for the A380. I think it was pretty bad for Airbus to give a certain date for the first flight. It is a completely new aircraft (unlike the 777LR) so unexpected things will pop-up.

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RE: A380 Rolling Tests

Sun Apr 03, 2005 3:57 am

Please keep in mind people that this is a whole different animal. It is not a derivative of an aircraft that has been flying for 10 years already. They first said that it would fly by the end of March. Well, it is only April 2nd. Have a little patience. Every new product goes through this. CHILL OUT!!!! It'll happen.
 
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RE: A380 Rolling Tests

Sun Apr 03, 2005 4:05 am

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 17):
Such as?

Just one example:

The A380 is the first large plane to use a high pressure hydraulic system. You certainly know hydraulics are not only used to control the flight controls, but also to brake the plane. Now, the functionality of a new system needs to be tested individually first, so it is not surprising the A380 will need to do quite a lot of taxi runs and simulated aborts, first on dry rwy without any compromising factors like crosswind etc, then in a later stage also on wet rwy and in less favourable conditions to see if the system holds as designed. Testing it takes time and depends not only on planning, but also on weather conditions.

How many hours of taxi runs has the 'new' B777-20OLR done? How many times have they simulated a take off followed by an abort? 1? 2? just like for ANY factory new plane...

Sorry, but taking a decade long existing plane, fitted with an additional fuel tank and a pair of winglets out for a first flight is just a tiny little bit less complicated than getting airborne with an all new unproven design.
 
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RE: A380 Rolling Tests

Sun Apr 03, 2005 4:10 am

Quoting Udo (Reply 13):

Most Eco pax won't find it funny after 18-20 hour nonstops...

As long as there's IFE, and they know they're going to somewhere fun, I don't think it would be that bad. I mean, it'd be cheaper, wouldn't it? N/S to 1-2 stops?

Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 12):

That should be fun with the five other people that may be able to travel on the flight with you due to the weight restrictions. LHR-SYD may be possible on paper... but take into account weather and weight and you have yourself a problem.

They could take out some rows and put some sort of luxury thing in between business and first. It could be a gym or small theater or some other thing. Then a smaller gym in Eco for the other pax.

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RE: A380 Rolling Tests

Sun Apr 03, 2005 4:11 am

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 17):
Such as?

Just to name a few innovations:

22 percent of the aircraft will consist of composites, the highest number reached in commercial aviation so far. Additionally the whole center wing box is made of carbon fiber, while the upper fuselage shell is made of GLARE.
Not to forget about the introduction of 350-bar hydraulic pressure, never used on large commercial aircraft before. And there's the use of an HVOF (High Velocity Oxygen Fuel) surface treatment process instead of chromium plating.


People denying the A380's new technological features make me just yawn...  yawn 


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RE: A380 Rolling Tests

Sun Apr 03, 2005 4:19 am

Sabenapilot:

When did I mention the 772LR at all or gripe that testing was taking too long?

Hiss at the "professionals" at Airbus, you admire so much and are constantly gushing over, for failing to meet the expectations they set themselves.

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RE: A380 Rolling Tests

Sun Apr 03, 2005 4:21 am

Quoting DAL7e7 (Reply 21):
As long as there's IFE, and they know they're going to somewhere fun, I don't think it would be that bad. I mean, it'd be cheaper, wouldn't it? N/S to 1-2 stops?

IFE might be great, but that doesn't help when legs and knees are being pressed towards the seat in front.
And "nonstop" does not mean cheaper automatically. Today's C-market flights are definitely more expensive than one-stops, due to their limited capacity and payload restrictions.

Quoting DAL7e7 (Reply 21):
They could take out some rows and put some sort of luxury thing in between business and first. It could be a gym or small theater or some other thing. Then a smaller gym in Eco for the other pax.

These luxury features would not necessarily cause a weight advantage over seat rows.


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RE: A380 Rolling Tests

Sun Apr 03, 2005 4:31 am

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 23):
Hiss at the "professionals" at Airbus, you admire so much and are constantly gushing over, for failing to meet the expectations they set themselves.

We all know how "reliable" manufacturers' propaganda can be sometimes. How do you know Airbus missed their own internally set expectations? They might have had a "flexible" schedule from the beginning - why should they publish that?

At this point of time there's a delay of only a few weeks. If it were months, one could be concerned. A totally new airframe at this size cannot be rushed into the air. One has to take into consideration the large amount of components involved, plus the number of external factors.


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RE: A380 Rolling Tests

Sun Apr 03, 2005 4:32 am

Quoting Udo (Reply 22):
People denying the A380's new technological features make me just yawn

What did I deny?...I just asked a couple of questions. Perhaps I should display more reverence for the "holiest" Icon of Secular Europe?
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RE: A380 Rolling Tests

Sun Apr 03, 2005 4:40 am

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 26):
What did I deny?...I just asked a couple of questions.

You questioned Jacobin's reference to new technologies used on the A380. The way you asked was quite obvious. But if you just call that a simple asking, fine.

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 26):
Perhaps I should display more reverence for the "holiest" Icon of Secular Europe?

Do whatever you find necessary...  Wink


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RE: A380 Rolling Tests

Sun Apr 03, 2005 4:41 am

Quoting Udo (Reply 25):
How do you know Airbus missed their own internally set expectations? They might have had a "flexible" schedule from the beginning - why should they publish that?

I don't, nor do I care...never said I did.
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RE: A380 Rolling Tests

Sun Apr 03, 2005 4:47 am

Every time a new longer range aircraft comes out, you get the same argument about how will people stay that long in the seat 707,747 747SP, A340-500. They all have proven that people are more willing to sit in a seat for ungodly (is that a word) amount of time in a seat.
Side note: I was on a ORD-HKG UA flight last October and after a two hour delay (MX) at ORD the flight was 16 1/2 hours so total 18 1/2 hours in the seats it was not that bad.
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RE: A380 Rolling Tests

Sun Apr 03, 2005 5:10 am

Quoting Paulinbna (Reply 29):
They all have proven that people are more willing to sit in a seat for ungodly (is that a word) amount of time in a seat.

We are talking about 16, 18 or 20 hours. I doubt a majority of passengers finds it comfortable to be seated in a cramped Eco class for such a long time. And don't forget SIA does not offer regular Eco on the A345.

Quoting Paulinbna (Reply 29):
Side note: I was on a ORD-HKG UA flight last October and after a two hour delay (MX) at ORD the flight was 16 1/2 hours so total 18 1/2 hours in the seats it was not that bad.

And how did the other passengers feel about it?


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RE: A380 Rolling Tests

Sun Apr 03, 2005 5:20 am

Quoting Udo (Reply 30):
We are talking about 16, 18 or 20 hours.

I've done LAX/SIN/LAX and EWR/SIN/EWR in executive economy (2-3-2 seating) and it's quite bearable. I personally prefer this alternative than hanging around a transfer airport for 2-3 hours. Not sure how I'd feel about making the trip in a typical economy sardine can.
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RE: A380 Rolling Tests

Sun Apr 03, 2005 5:20 am

How much passengers enjoy being on a plane for 16 or 18 or 20 hours is really not the question. The question is: Will passenger (or their employers) pay for it? So far, the answer seems to be: Yes.

Quoting Udo (Reply 30):
don't forget SIA does not offer regular Eco on the A345.

That's because the A340-500 can't fly EWR-SIN with more than about 181 seats.
 
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RE: A380 Rolling Tests

Sun Apr 03, 2005 5:30 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 32):
How much passengers enjoy being on a plane for 16 or 18 or 20 hours is really not the question. The question is: Will passenger (or their employers) pay for it? So far, the answer seems to be: Yes.

But passengers who do not like to be put into a cramped tube for 18 hours are less likely to pay.

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 32):
That's because the A340-500 can't fly EWR-SIN with more than about 181 seats.

I know it's payload restricted. My point was their A345 cannot be put into the history of developments from 707 to B747 to B747SP (as suggested by Paulinbna) and so on because it does not feature regular Eco on its C-market flights.
And even if the A345 were able to take more payload, I doubt SIA would install a regular Eco class. They would most likely add their First Class.


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RE: A380 Rolling Tests

Sun Apr 03, 2005 5:31 am

Quoting Udo (Reply 22):
Just to name a few innovations:

22 percent of the aircraft will consist of composites, the highest number reached in commercial aviation so far. Additionally the whole center wing box is made of carbon fiber, while the upper fuselage shell is made of GLARE.
Not to forget about the introduction of 350-bar hydraulic pressure, never used on large commercial aircraft before. And there's the use of an HVOF (High Velocity Oxygen Fuel) surface treatment process instead of chromium plating.

That is all fine and dandy. Will it fly? I'm not as sure as I was 6m ago.

Will it be within 3% of the claimed Airbus performance? Unlikely.

All the technology in the industry means very little if you don't hit your numbers.

Airbus had better learn from this experience. They lost a lot of credibility with the 642 performance exaggerations. They are going down the same road with this aircraft. Don't think for a minute airlines are not watching this.

And don't play the "teething issues" card either. Airbus has been blowing the smoke with this aircraft since the "weight reduction" program.
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RE: A380 Rolling Tests

Sun Apr 03, 2005 5:42 am

For as far as you guys all know, Airbus might just be waiting for a few perfectly dry days in Toulouse to pull the largest passenger plane in the world out of its hangar and let it pass the 12-step initial taxi run program on a 100% dry surface....
 
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RE: A380 Rolling Tests

Sun Apr 03, 2005 5:49 am

Quoting Glideslope (Reply 34):
That is all fine and dandy. Will it fly? I'm not as sure as I was 6m ago.

Will it be within 3% of the claimed Airbus performance? Unlikely.

All the technology in the industry means very little if you don't hit your numbers.

The discussion was simply about the fact that a combination of new technologies takes its time.

Quoting Glideslope (Reply 34):
Airbus had better learn from this experience. They lost a lot of credibility with the 642 performance exaggerations.

Which experience? And which 624 exaggerations? And when and where did they lose credibility? Airbus only have to care about their customers, not about ever pessimists and B-fanatics on a.net...  Wink

Quoting Glideslope (Reply 34):
They are going down the same road with this aircraft. Don't think for a minute airlines are not watching this.

Pure speculation.

Quoting Glideslope (Reply 34):
And don't play the "teething issues" card either. Airbus has been blowing the smoke with this aircraft since the "weight reduction" program.

Show me once reliable source that there's still a serious overweight problem - or that there has ever been a serious one. There have always been people who have questioned the whole project from the beginning. According to certain people, the program would have never started. Now we are expecting the first flight. The permanent anti-stuff is getting just boring.


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RE: A380 Rolling Tests

Sun Apr 03, 2005 6:05 am

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 1):
Makes me wonder if the blasted thing is EVER going to get off the ground

lol, I agree, but it is better safe than sorry. Remember Concorde was tested for 4000 hours before it went into service, I don't know how many hours they will test this thing before they let it go into service. Seems like it has gotten many hours sitting, though the crews must have been busy.

Quoting USAFMXOfficer (Reply 5):
The A380 should displace approx the same amount as an adult Beluga Whale....

You just like that word 'beluga' huh?  Smile Dude this thing is four times the size of a blue whale and probably weighs the same as a yacht at same price!

Quoting BluebellyA380 (Reply 4):
Have they at least bothered to fire up the engines? Will it start?? Curiouser and curiouser...

I'm sure that has happened.

Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 12):
Well the first production 380 is being built right now so you may have to reconsider that.

Is it safe to delever production airframes while still testing another, not generally, just this time? I know its done all the time.

Quoting Udo (Reply 13):
Most Eco pax won't find it funny after 18-20 hour nonstops...

Yet they do not complain, and even if they do airlines will find the cheapest way to get them to shut up, i.e. make the flight more comfortable. Good for people like me though...

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 10):
Meanwhile the Boeing 777-200LR was rolled out on 15th. February and had its maiden flight on March 8th. First delivery January 2006.

Congradulations dude you almost started an A/B war, was it absolutely necessary, technically it may have been. Gotta keep people in check and their heads out of the sky on behalf of A380. Big grin

Quoting Udo (Reply 30):
I doubt a majority of passengers finds it comfortable to be seated in a cramped Eco class for such a long time.

And they cannot just get up and walk around, maybe to the restroom, flirt witht the F/A's, etc?

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 17):
Such as?

Granted making an airplane on "do what works" is in some respects is no different than anything that flys currently, but downplaying its advancements over the years is pretty stupid. It's a full-length double-deck commercial airliner weighing over a million lbs that will visiting world airports, what more do you want?

If you happen to be judging against another plane for reference (  Yeah sure ), that is you.
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RE: A380 Rolling Tests

Sun Apr 03, 2005 6:26 am

This is like the mother that frets because the other woman's mother has a baby that learned to walk or talk two weeks before theirs did. Sheesh...we all end up learning to walk and talk, and soon after everyone forgets exactly WHEN those first steps were taken or first words were spoken. That's what this whole thing sounds like.

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RE: A380 Rolling Tests

Sun Apr 03, 2005 6:30 am

Quoting Udo (Reply 36):
Show me once reliable source that there's still a serious overweight problem - or that there has ever been a serious one



Quoting Udo (Reply 25):
We all know how "reliable" manufacturers' propaganda can be sometimes. How do you know Airbus missed their own internally set expectations? They might have had a "flexible" schedule from the beginning - why should they publish that?

With respect Udo, what would be a reliable source for you?
 
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RE: A380 Rolling Tests

Sun Apr 03, 2005 6:35 am

Quoting Lehpron (Reply 37):
what more do you want?

Didn't say I wanted anything...I merely had the utter temerity to ask a couple of pointed questions. However, I will venture to say that, IMO, the A380's design is best characterized as evolutionary rather than revolutionary.
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RE: A380 Rolling Tests

Sun Apr 03, 2005 6:48 am

Quoting M27 (Reply 39):
With respect Udo, what would be a reliable source for you?

Serious newspapers (the ones which do not refer to rumours), respected aviation business magazines, comments from customers, or something directly from Airbus. All we have heard yet were rumours or statements allegedly based on "insiders".

Airbus DID talk about overweight some time ago, but there has not been any evidence that the issue was serious or still exists. However, people take anything they get and try to blow it up, especially on this forum


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RE: A380 Rolling Tests

Sun Apr 03, 2005 7:06 am

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 40):
However, I will venture to say that, IMO, the A380's design is best characterized as evolutionary rather than revolutionary

I will agree with that and though 787 may simply be reduced to a perfection of that technology...they are all still a subsonics. Big grin

In all fairness there are dozens of applications we have yet to try, a truly evolutionary hybrid creation in the subsonic field would be a general public flying machine. Hopefully it will not happen in a hundred years, I do not want to see that  censored .
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RE: A380 Rolling Tests

Sun Apr 03, 2005 7:32 am

Knew it would never get off the ground.
 
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RE: A380 Rolling Tests

Sun Apr 03, 2005 8:40 am

Quoting Udo (Reply 22):
People denying the A380's new technological features make me just yawn...

Seems to me the ones who are pointing out the (presumed) delays in the flight testing program would also be the ones to point out any issues that would arise should problems not be detected during the flight tests.

Quoting Glideslope (Reply 34):
Will it be within 3% of the claimed Airbus performance? Unlikely.

What does any (presumed) delay in schedules relate to the resulting performance? If it takes you longer to cook dinner than you planned, does it also mean it will taste any differently than you planned? Could be, if you burned the food, but then again, it could be that it just took longer to cook. Maybe we should wait till after we eat to complain about the food.
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RE: A380 Rolling Tests

Sun Apr 03, 2005 9:22 am

There's so much societally-indoctrinated raw hatred against anything non-American, it's really quite crippling for those so afflicted.

As for the A380 why of course it's not an object or pure Divinity or anything like that, but then it is an amazing aircraft even just for its scale alone, and the closer it gets to first-flight day the more the anticipation understandably builds among people genuinely interested in commercial aviation.

It's such a large engineering undertaking they're doing really well to be as close to the original project timelines as they are. And hopefully the next couple weeks will go similarly smoothly for 'em.
 
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RE: A380 Rolling Tests

Sun Apr 03, 2005 10:00 am

Id love to see if this trend continues....380 bashing, and Airbus plays along, then on Paris Air show they appear unexpectedly and land the "whale" jet in gleaming colors and a "Branson Style banner" that says....Mine is bigger than yours....

hehehehe wouldnt it be the greatest PR ever...
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RE: A380 Rolling Tests

Sun Apr 03, 2005 10:00 am

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 10):
Meanwhile the Boeing 777-200LR was rolled out on 15th. February and had its maiden flight on March 8th. First delivery January 2006.

Big deal! A model variant.

Was the 747 entirely without slippage on all its testing milestones? If not, why are we having this conversation?
The A380 is an entirely new project of immense scale. If you study project complexity, what is surprising is the very small amount of slippage to date.

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RE: A380 Rolling Tests

Sun Apr 03, 2005 10:00 am

Quoting Mark_D. (Reply 45):
There's so much societally-indoctrinated raw hatred against anything non-American, it's really quite crippling for those so afflicted.

Futher to that, those of you who have a neurotic aversion to this aircraft because it is not American (and yes, that is the reason) would spend your time more profitably seeing an analyst than boring us with empty adolencent commentary. It is instructive to note that the same dynamic is not operating toward the 787. Our American friends are fond of telling us that the 787 is the truly revolutionary aircraft (composites, bleedless engines, etc) rather than the A380. Well that may be so, but explain then how the A380 is less revolutionary and yet a higher risk design that keeps you awake at night with litany of 'concerns'.
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RE: A380 Rolling Tests

Sun Apr 03, 2005 10:12 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 14):
LHR-SYD would be easy for a B777-200LR with 300 passengers. The difficulty is SYD-LHR. Going west, the max payload is not more than 200 passengers, if that.

Yeah sorry, that is the leg I meant... wrong way around.

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 17):
I didn't realize manufacturers made pre-production aircraft anymore. Perhaps you meant the first aircraft delivered to an airline (SQ-L/N 005)?

Well they do... The various different sections are already in manufacture at the various European Airbus sites.

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 17):
Such as?

Well namely... 850 seat passenger aircraft.

Quoting DAL7e7 (Reply 21):
They could take out some rows and put some sort of luxury thing in between business and first. It could be a gym or small theater or some other thing. Then a smaller gym in Eco for the other pax.

Now we're talking.

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 26):
What did I deny?...I just asked a couple of questions. Perhaps I should display more reverence for the "holiest" Icon of Secular Europe?

Perhaps you ought to be a bit more sensitive when saying such a thing today given all that has happened.

Quoting Lehpron (Reply 37):
Is it safe to delever production airframes while still testing another, not generally, just this time? I know its done all the time.

I guess it is. Each aircraft would have their own integrity tests and would also have all modifications needed from the data revealed during the flight testing phase. No manufacturer would do it unless they were able to by law and it being safe.

Quoting Airways6max (Reply 43):
Knew it would never get off the ground.

Did you? Wow. I wish I had your insight. How did you know this?
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