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IB MAD-BOS?

Sun Apr 03, 2005 2:38 am

I was talking to an IB pilot, he told me that IB is planning nonstop flights MAD-BOS.

Is this correct?
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AlitaliaMD11
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RE: IB MAD-BOS?

Sun Apr 03, 2005 5:05 am

I have heard this as-well. I don't have any info though.
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RE: IB MAD-BOS?

Sun Apr 03, 2005 5:17 am

I hope they do... it would mean we in the BOS area wouldn't have to drive or fly down to JFK to go to MAD.
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RE: IB MAD-BOS?

Sun Apr 03, 2005 5:37 am

Unfortunately from the information I have, BOS-MAD has been put on hold partly due to the fact the IB has not come to an agreement with the pilots for the new collective bargaining agreement. It seem thats right now it will be put on hold until next year, but you never know, things may change.
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RE: IB MAD-BOS?

Sun Apr 03, 2005 6:27 am

So, they finally replaced the DC-10 they lost in Boston in the 1970s??

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RE: IB MAD-BOS?

Sun Apr 03, 2005 7:51 am

Federico,

Just a few questions:

Do you think IB's long haul fleet is big enough? Has this been discussed inside the company?

I mean, do they have enough aircraft to add new destinations/frequencies?
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RE: IB MAD-BOS?

Sun Apr 03, 2005 11:22 am

It would make sense since AA has a large operation in BOS and because there is probably also a fair amount of O&D traffic. However, I could also imagine that some route(s) may need to be cut back a little so as to accomodate new trans-Atlantic flights. Anyway, hopefully the collective bargaining agreement issues are dealt with soon and in a way favorable to both the employees and IB, and that a final decision is made soon.
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RE: IB MAD-BOS?

Sun Apr 03, 2005 5:51 pm

Is it possible that instead of Iberia starting a BOS-MAD that American would start a BOS-MAD?

I know that this route would take away some traffic from the JFK-MAD route though.
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RE: IB MAD-BOS?

Mon Apr 04, 2005 12:33 am

I guess that for the time being oneworld users will have to rely on connections either at LHR or JFK. If you think about it, Boston-area pax interested in visiting Spain and other destinations in Europe have the alternative of flying AA/BA through LHR. Same goes for Spaniards interested in flying to Boston
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RE: IB MAD-BOS?

Mon Apr 04, 2005 1:46 am

Yes, apparently IB was in talks with Massport about flights and seemed to have started the ball on organizing things for this Summer, but have postponed plans for now.

With AA, BA, EI, and AY (though a seasonal, scheduled charter starting in June), IB would be a welcome addition to the Boston oneworld family.  Smile

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RE: IB MAD-BOS?

Wed Apr 06, 2005 12:33 pm

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 5):
Federico,

Just a few questions:

Do you think IB's long haul fleet is big enough? Has this been discussed inside the company?

I mean, do they have enough aircraft to add new destinations/frequencies?

Alfonso,
Right now it is. The key to expanding right now in the short-term would be through wet-leasing. IB wants to have this leverage so that if the market experiences another fall...we will not be stuck with brand new aircraft out of service. On average right now I believe 2 340-300's are normally on reserve or undergoing revision...as you know...1 340-600 is under revision and 1-2 of the 747's are on reserve as well. So right now I think that there are plenty of aircraft available to open new destinations/frequencies.

As you know, IB has always been cautious about opening new routes(not a good thing in my opinion as the company should take more risks) which is why I dont agree with the delay in opening BOS and also not having the JFK-BCN non stop. Our market share to BCN From JFK has dropped dramatically due to DL having the non-stop and I believe that if US continues with their plan to open PHL-BCN in May....its going to hurt us more. BCN is booming in the cruise market and we are missing out by not serving it non stop. Hopefully SEPLA and IB reach a new bargaining agreement soon and maybe we have time to add some new flights this year. We shall see!
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RE: IB MAD-BOS?

Thu Apr 07, 2005 4:30 am

Quoting Iberia340600 (Reply 10):
The key to expanding right now in the short-term would be through wet-leasing

Today, it has been announced here in Spain that, as Icaro had already posted in different threads, Iberia has reached wet-lease agreements with Air Atlanta (2 B747-400 and 2 B747-300) and Gestair (6 B757 for the shuttle MAD-BCN).

Quoting Iberia340600 (Reply 10):
if US continues with their plan to open PHL-BCN in May

Also announced today that it will start May 17th.
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RE: IB MAD-BOS?

Thu Apr 07, 2005 5:05 am

Quoting Fermarta (Reply 11):
Today, it has been announced here in Spain that, as Icaro had already posted in different threads, Iberia has reached wet-lease agreements with Air Atlanta (2 B747-400 and 2 B747-300) and Gestair (6 B757 for the shuttle MAD-BCN).

Fermarta:

Was it announced to the press? Also, if I am not mistaken....it bascially inlcuded the 2747-400's already on wet lease and jsut changing the 2 747-300s back to wet lease if I am not mistaken. So in essence, IB is not gaining any aircraft from this.
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RE: IB MAD-BOS?

Thu Apr 07, 2005 5:17 am

Iberia340600:

Yes, it was reported in one of the economic papers, Cinco Dias (in Spanish):

http://www.cincodias.com/articulo.ht...cdscdiemp_7&type=Tes&anchor=cdscdi

As you said, Iberia is not gaining wide-bodied aircrafts with this.
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RE: IB MAD-BOS?

Thu Apr 07, 2005 7:09 am

Quoting Fermarta (Reply 11):
and Gestair (6 B757 for the shuttle MAD-BCN).

What?? This means they did a mistake by giving some 75's to RG?

Why are they getting some 75's if IB was getting rid of them?
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RE: IB MAD-BOS?

Thu Apr 07, 2005 11:20 am

Quoting B752fanatic (Reply 14):
What?? This means they did a mistake by giving some 75's to RG?

Why are they getting some 75's if IB was getting rid of them?

B757fanatic:

No..what IB is going to do is wet-lease 6 of the current 757's it has in its fleet.
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RE: IB MAD-BOS?

Thu Apr 07, 2005 11:41 am

Pues..Vaaaale!

Thanks!
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RE: IB MAD-BOS?

Fri Apr 08, 2005 1:37 am

Hola

I find always interesting to enter in every topic related to IB, and I find (in general) that the line of the tread is very 'constructive' where the insiders give good information and where there isn't the aggressiveness of the A vs B debates (the idea would be that there is good 'talante')

Is true the Dalí's draws of the DC-10 disappeared?

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RE: IB MAD-BOS?

Fri Apr 08, 2005 3:32 am

Alfonso,

Interesting to note that I found out that the President of IB, Fernando Conte, was in Boston yesterday..just for one day. Hmmm..I wonder if something is brewing that has not been made public yet?
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