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JFK Diversions Today

Sun Apr 03, 2005 9:04 am

I was looking on http://www.kennedyairport.com/aviation/fidsframe_jfk.html and I noticed that a lot more flights are diverting that are scheduled to Kennedy then laggard and LGA has less delays which is very odd.

Also B6 622 and 678 from PBI diverted to Islip and made the little recovery leg. Does recovery legs like this happen a lot when the airports are near each other?

Your thoughts and diversion notices are welcome below.

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RE: JFK Diversions Today

Sun Apr 03, 2005 9:17 am

Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Thread starter):
which is very odd.

Not too odd when LGA haD RVR above landing minimums, and JFK didn't (at least for awhile)....  Wink

Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Thread starter):
Does recovery legs like this happen a lot when the airports are near each other?

The recovery leg is usually going to occur irrespective of whether the airports are 10 miles apart or 110 miles apart. the primary exception being if the intended destination airport's weather doesn't improve so as to take approaches/landings. If the weather at the intended destinations is down for the count, the passengers off the diversions are often bussed the rest of the way, and the aircraft re-scheduled to operate other flights, which may necessitate a positioning ferry (empty) elsewhere. For example, if the PBI-JFK was supposed to then operate JFK-BOS and then BOS-ABC-XYZ, they might have ferried ISP-BOS and operated the rest of the aircraft's scheduled flights. Not always possible, as crew legalities are a big factor, and just one of the variables involved.

ATC delays from ISP back to JFK could have been something, awaiting a "gap" in the arrival stream...
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RE: JFK Diversions Today

Sun Apr 03, 2005 9:42 am

Although i don't know first hand i have noted that the weather at the 3 NYC airports(EWR, JFK, and LGA) can be very different at the same time. I believe the concorde was diverted to EWR a few times because visibility at JFK was poor
 
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RE: JFK Diversions Today

Sun Apr 03, 2005 9:43 am

Hi,

What is going on at JFK today?

I am in BTV airport waiting for a B6 flight to STI via JFK and everything delay. What I should do? Wait for the BTV-JFK flight and might not do the JFK-STI flight or go home and try tomorrow?

Thank

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RE: JFK Diversions Today

Sun Apr 03, 2005 9:51 am

Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 2):
I believe the concorde was diverted to EWR a few times because visibility at JFK was poor

That's because JFK is so close to the open Ocean, having worked and gone to College on the Jersey shore I can tell you the weather can be dramatically different near the beach compared to five miles inland. Big thing is fog.
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RE: JFK Diversions Today

Sun Apr 03, 2005 9:52 am

The weather today here is high winds and lots of rain.
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RE: JFK Diversions Today

Sun Apr 03, 2005 10:00 am

high winds/windshear and low vis...yeay!

From an ATC perspective: diversion recoveries generally have priority over other traffic if a GDP is in place.
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RE: JFK Diversions Today

Sun Apr 03, 2005 10:00 am

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 6):
From an ATC perspective: diversion recoveries generally have priority over other traffic if a GDP is in place.

Yep, but good luck if you forget to add "DVRSN" in the filing remarks...  Wink
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RE: JFK Diversions Today

Sun Apr 03, 2005 10:58 am

The weather here in the NYC-area is incredibly nasty. Somehow, our STT-EWR flight on CO today managed to arrive 20 minutes early at 6:30 PM - however, the descent and landing were a real doozy - we were sliding and bumping all over the place! When we walked into baggage claim, the majority of flights were either delayed by a couple hours or canceled outright.

Apparently, many arriving EWR flights were diverted into LGA or JFK. They didn't tell us any details about the situation while on the plane, but they made about twenty announcements to remain seated and to expect severe turbulence.
 
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RE: JFK Diversions Today

Sun Apr 03, 2005 11:08 am

FAA is saying the average delays at JFK are 6 hours 48 minutes; LGA delays are 2 hours 42 minutes; EWR delays are 4 hours forget how many minutes.

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RE: JFK Diversions Today

Sun Apr 03, 2005 11:11 am

Descent over Long Island was pretty bumpy last night (Friday) as well. My ass definitely wanted to briefly leave the seat a few times Big grin
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RE: JFK Diversions Today

Mon Apr 04, 2005 8:16 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 4):
That's because JFK is so close to the open Ocean, having worked and gone to College on the Jersey shore I can tell you the weather can be dramatically different near the beach compared to five miles inland. Big thing is fog.

Exactly same thing happened on the isle of man this afternoon unfortunately at the same time as most of the a/c were due back in.....

Still it has to be expected this time of year....

Maybe one day the isle will get CAT III gear and all the operators that come in here will have all the a/c and crews ready for it to....

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RE: JFK Diversions Today

Mon Apr 04, 2005 8:21 am

Diversion today...

AA1080 Providenciales, Turks And Caicos Islands to JFK was diverted today to RDU..

What was up at JFK today for this diversion.. but it was good to see a AA MD80, 738, 777, 757, and ERJ at RDU at/near the same time today..
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RE: JFK Diversions Today

Mon Apr 04, 2005 8:23 am

Any idea why so many flights were diverted to IAD?
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RE: JFK Diversions Today

Mon Apr 04, 2005 8:27 am

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 13):
Any idea why so many flights were diverted to IAD?

Long runway, big airfield, most airlines have facilities there, not too far from NYC, etc.
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RE: JFK Diversions Today

Mon Apr 04, 2005 9:37 am

IAD tends to get a lot of the diversions of flights heading to the NYC area from the south. I have been diverted there on CO and B6. They divery there for the reasons that N1120A explains:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 14):
Long runway, big airfield, most airlines have facilities there, not too far from NYC, etc.

B6 uses it because its the only airport they serve between Florida and JFK so it makes the most sense to send aircraft where they have their own staff and facilities on hand.
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RE: JFK Diversions Today

Mon Apr 04, 2005 10:28 am

So B6 finally came to ISP. All the rumors can rest now!
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RE: JFK Diversions Today

Mon Apr 04, 2005 10:52 am

LOL! Thats a good one Ramerinianair! Nik....your rumor has come true!

Did anyone happen to get any pics of the B6 plane at ISP?? That would be a rare pic.


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RE: JFK Diversions Today

Mon Apr 04, 2005 11:05 am

Well, I wasn't so much referring to why Florida flights got diverted there, but a lot of transatlantic flights were diverted there. I was wondering why they decided to go to IAD over BOS or anything north of NYC.
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RE: JFK Diversions Today

Mon Apr 04, 2005 11:07 am

I was flying from PVD to IAD last night (4/2), and we were pretty late because of the weather. Upon arrival, in the H pad, there was an AZ 777 and a DL 767, JFK diversions, I'm pretty sure. This was about 11:45 at night, so I assume the crews of both planes had timed out, and neither carrier had flight crews for those airplanes in IAD that could repo up to JFK. I guess the rest of the diversions had gone by that time.
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