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AF A320's At MIA

Tue Apr 05, 2005 3:44 am

I did a DTW-MIA turn yesterday, and during our 3 hr sit, I saw an AF A320 at the adjacent concourse. Where is it going? I'm guessing that it goes down to SXM and other points of the French West Indies?
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RE: AF A320's At MIA

Tue Apr 05, 2005 3:48 am

It must have been the AF A320 whose home base is either in Martinique or in Guadeloupe and flies between our islands and maybe Guyana (not sure).
 
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RE: AF A320's At MIA

Tue Apr 05, 2005 3:49 am

If I recall they operate flights to Port au Prince (Haiti), Fort de France (Martinique) and Point a Pitre (Guadeloupe).

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RE: AF A320's At MIA

Tue Apr 05, 2005 3:50 am

AF flies the A320 from MIA to PAP then it continues on to Pointe-a-Pitre and Cayenne.

Another rare Euro Bird is Martinair's leased 738 that fly MIA-SJO.
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RE: AF A320's At MIA

Tue Apr 05, 2005 3:56 am

PAP is correct, though it's only 3 days a week:

Wed/Fri/Sun

It's an 0930 departure from MIA, returning at 2150.
 
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RE: AF A320's At MIA

Tue Apr 05, 2005 3:58 am

Since this A320 is so far away from its home, I have a few questions:

1. Who does maintenance on it? Is this outsourced? I can't imagine it goes home to CDG.

2. What crews fly this bird? Is it a rotation that resides in Miami, or does Air France fly in new crews for every flight.
 
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RE: AF A320's At MIA

Tue Apr 05, 2005 4:03 am

This A320 is F-GKXC.


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This a/c is based at FDF and is used on the AF's regional Caribbean network.
From MIA, it operates AF3949/AF3948 MIA-PAP-PTP-FDF-CAY and back
 
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RE: AF A320's At MIA

Tue Apr 05, 2005 4:03 am

Yup, AF has had these narrowbody flights from MIA to the French Caribbean for years. I'm not sure who does maintenance on it for AF.
 
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RE: AF A320's At MIA

Tue Apr 05, 2005 4:05 am

Quoting Petazulu (Reply 5):
What crews fly this bird? Is it a rotation that resides in Miami, or does Air France fly in new crews for every flight.

This aircraft is flown by AF's crews (Cockpit and Cabin) based at FDF.
 
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RE: AF A320's At MIA

Tue Apr 05, 2005 5:16 am

Substituing the AF A320 at times in the past we have gotten ERJ 145 in Air Caraibes paint and AF paint w/ Air Caraibes title in the engines.

Very "rare" aircraft...
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RE: AF A320's At MIA

Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:19 am

Yea great to see a thread like this again. We used to get these types of threads on MIA every two weeks when IB had its HUB in MIA.
Atleast we still get that AF A320 flight and Martinair 738.

The AF flight is popular with the locals that need to go to PAP. I once saw in MIA an AF 744 being push backed a AF A340 arriving and the AF A320 sitting at the gate. Now that is awesome.
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RE: AF A320's At MIA

Tue Apr 05, 2005 1:47 pm

Quoting MIASkies (Reply 9):
Substituing the AF A320 at times in the past we have gotten ERJ 145 in Air Caraibes paint and AF paint w/ Air Caraibes title in the engines.

Those were actually a common sight for a time although rarely seen since they departed so early. However I haven't heard of anyone telling me they saw those ERJs for the last 2 years or so. I remember in one or two occations seeing both the Air Caraibes and the Air France ERJ 145s both on the terminal at the same time. Was this common?

Before the A320, AF used to fly a 737-300 to MIA at least, since the mid-90's.

Does anyone remember the Air Guadeloupe/Air Martinique 732? One of the two airlines, or both? were renamed Air Caraibes but I'm not too sure. I'm I correct in assumming this plane was doing the route the A320 does today? If so, was this plane used only on this route? How come it carried 2 different airline titles?
 
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RE: AF A320's At MIA

Tue Apr 05, 2005 2:20 pm

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 11):
Those were actually a common sight for a time although rarely seen since they departed so early. However I haven't heard of anyone telling me they saw those ERJs for the last 2 years or so. I remember in one or two occations seeing both the Air Caraibes and the Air France ERJ 145s both on the terminal at the same time. Was this common?

The ERJ service ended in the fall of 2003. On the four days of the week that the ERJs operated, there were two ERJ flights to PAP leaving about 45 minutes apart. One in AF colours, the other in Air Caraibes colours.

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 11):

Before the A320, AF used to fly a 737-300 to MIA at least, since the mid-90's.

AF narrowbodies have been flying to MIA since the mid-1980s. First they used a 727, then the 733 that was around until late 2001, and now the A320.

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RE: AF A320's At MIA

Tue Apr 05, 2005 7:17 pm

Hi; the crew is based in PTP, cabin crew are locals from Guadeloupe and Martinique and the cockpit are from Paris .
 
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RE: AF A320's At MIA

Tue Apr 05, 2005 7:29 pm

...they are doing the same "job" as Iberia's Airbuses based in MIA !!!
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RE: AF A320's At MIA

Tue Apr 05, 2005 8:32 pm

Hmmmm not quite; IBs operation was more geared to feeding their long haul services into MIA, providing smaller central american cities with a through IB service.

AF's operation is mostly point to point as they operate frequent direct services from PAR to FDF, PTP, PAP, SXM, and to MIA.
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RE: AF A320's At MIA

Wed Apr 06, 2005 4:41 am

A comment to MAH4546: The history of Air Frances Carribean routes goes much longer back. The routes was operated in the beginning of the 60s with DC-4-service CAY-PBM-GRG-POS-BGI-FDF-PTP-ANU-SXM-SJU-MIA. There were 707-service FDF-PTP-NYC as well as to ORY. The Caravelle was introduced late 60's as repalcement for the DC-4 to CAY. 707-equipment was also used to CAY.

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RE: AF A320's At MIA

Wed Apr 06, 2005 6:25 pm

Thanks for the replies guys.  thumbsup 

Does anyone know if that 732 with Air Martinique and Air Guadeloupe titles was used alongside the AF 737 and or/Air Caraibes ERJs? And why the 2 different airline titles?

There is a photo of it in the database dating from April 2000; perhaps on one of it's last flights at Miami:


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RE: AF A320's At MIA

Wed Apr 06, 2005 7:03 pm

Quoting Jetjack74 (Thread starter):
I did a DTW-MIA turn yesterday, and during our 3 hr sit

A three hour sit? Could this help explain why the US airline industry is in such bad shape?
 
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RE: AF A320's At MIA

Fri Apr 08, 2005 4:27 pm

They're called productivity sits. It's cheaper to have us sit in an outstation, between flight segments, off the clock rather than to give us a long layover, which we're being paid perdiem while on a layover. We hate them just as anyone could imagine.
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