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Qantas B747-300's To LAX

Tue Apr 05, 2005 6:21 pm

Hey Guys,

For some reason unknown to me QF will operate some of the BNE-AKL-LAX flights QF25/26 with 743's on 7 flights during April and May.

All these aircraft are now fitted with PTV's in Y and have a nice new interior!

Flights are on

Friday April 15th, Sunday 17th, Friday 22nd, Sunday 24th and Friday 29th for April, and for May Friday 6th and Friday 13th.

Hopefully VH-EBU Nalanji dreaming will visit, though it is currently the last aircraft getting the new interior and is still at AVV, not sure when it is due back in service.
 
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RE: Qantas B747-300's To LAX

Tue Apr 05, 2005 6:57 pm

Nalanji is still at Avalon, the CRS shows that it's a 743 but the QF site doesnt list the flight at all, only shows the nonstop and not 25/26.

maybe some of the 2 class 744's are going in for refit, but according to QF the Bne-Akl-Lax is not operating.

the other interesting thing is that there is not one single seat available on any of the 743 flights, very unsual, wonder if its actually going to be oprating at all.

[Edited 2005-04-05 11:59:35]
 
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RE: Qantas B747-300's To LAX

Tue Apr 05, 2005 7:20 pm

QF schedules do list QF25/26!

QF25 AKL-LAX had 453POB last Tuesday, this flight is always heavy, with the skybeds the 2 class 744's will only seat 412 compared to the current 432, maybe loads are very high but the 743's have been in the schedules for some time.
 
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RE: Qantas B747-300's To LAX

Tue Apr 05, 2005 8:48 pm

I was not aware that a 743 with full load could make it nonstop from AKL to LAX??
 
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RE: Qantas B747-300's To LAX

Tue Apr 05, 2005 9:06 pm

I was going to hazard a guess that the ops guys had shuffled the 743's around to correspond with the main runway works at MEL which are causing weight restrictions for the outgoing 744's but it appears that is not the case.

Not sure why the 743's are heading to LAX... I thought they're solely used for Hawaii and India now but obviously not.
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RE: Qantas B747-300's To LAX

Tue Apr 05, 2005 9:13 pm

how many flights does Qantas have to LAX?? I´ve seen this pic, and gives the impression that Qantas has a good presence in there


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also, how´s the competition to Australia/New Zealand from LAX???

U have QF and NZ to AKL and then to SYD.

here in the southern part of the world, U can get there via Buenos Aires, with QF and Aerolineas Argentinas, but i´m not too sure if they still do this flight
The both times I went to Australia I did it via Buenos Aires, with a stop in AKL.
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RE: Qantas B747-300's To LAX

Tue Apr 05, 2005 9:20 pm

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 2):
QF schedules do list QF25/26!

the timetable shows it but the CRS on QF site doesn't, the CRS i checked showed that it was not for sale on the Bne-Akl-Lax sectors. i'd say it maybe replacing a 744 that is undergoing a refit.

i think the 2 class 744's are due in for the re-fit in J class very soon.

Lax-Mel is re-routed via Sydney and using the 744 whilst runway works are going on at Mel.
 
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RE: Qantas B747-300's To LAX

Tue Apr 05, 2005 9:21 pm

Erikwilliam,

Aerolineas Argentinas do operate to SYD. Not sure on the flight details. I believe you can also fly from Santiago with QF, not sure about NZ.

As for the LAX competition, its pretty weak really. UA, QF and NZ. Other alliance carriers can be flown but connecting with the three above with an intermediate destination. Hopefully the Aust. Government will allow the route to open up a little. Competition can't be too bad for this route.
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RE: Qantas B747-300's To LAX

Tue Apr 05, 2005 9:28 pm

Do QF B743s have the range to be able to fly from AKL to LAX direct?
 
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RE: Qantas B747-300's To LAX

Tue Apr 05, 2005 11:15 pm

yes they can do Akl-Lax no problems. QF codeshares to SCL with lan Chile, using Lan Chile A340.
 
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RE: Qantas B747-300's To LAX

Tue Apr 05, 2005 11:44 pm

AR do fly to SYD, via AKL.
 
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RE: Qantas B747-300's To LAX

Tue Apr 05, 2005 11:56 pm

Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 7):
As for the LAX competition, its pretty weak really. UA, QF and NZ

Makes no sense to have NZ and UA flying there, they are both Star members, why then AA doesn´t fly to SYD, they must have a agreement wth QF, wich makes more sense, or like they do in SCL with LAN.

My guess is, QF did better on this subject.

thx for the replies
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RE: Qantas B747-300's To LAX

Wed Apr 06, 2005 5:52 am

Quoting Erikwilliam (Reply 11):
why then AA doesn´t fly to SYD

Even aside for the alliance with QF, I'm not sure AA have the right to fly to Oz. I think its part of the Bilateral agreement between the two countries.
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RE: Qantas B747-300's To LAX

Wed Apr 06, 2005 6:16 am

Quoting TR (Reply 3):
I was not aware that a 743 with full load could make it nonstop from AKL to LAX??

The flight from LAX to AKL (the one against the wind) is 3 hours shorter than LAX-SYD, so the 743 does not have an issue with it.

Quoting Erikwilliam (Reply 11):
Makes no sense to have NZ and UA flying there, they are both Star members

Actually, it does. UA does the LAX-SYD-MEL flying, which is a cash cow route, while NZ dropped LAX-SYD and added more LAX-AKL as well as LAX-CHC

Quoting Erikwilliam (Reply 11):
why then AA doesn´t fly to SYD, they must have a agreement wth QF,



Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 12):
I'm not sure AA have the right to fly to Oz. I think its part of the Bilateral agreement between the two countries.

AA can fly to Oz anytime they want, but would rather feed QF at LAX. The 772ER really does not have the capacity for the route (which fills 744s everyday, regardless of season) and given what QF goes to to protect the route (which provides over 1/3rd of their profits and revenue) AA would rather benefit from QF's service
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RE: Qantas B747-300's To LAX

Wed Apr 06, 2005 6:27 am

N1120A, do you know anything about the Bilateral that is in place? I can't really find anything on it. I only heard that AA could not fly to Australia because of that. What you said does make sense economically however, and AA stand to benefit alot more by cooperating with QF.
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RE: Qantas B747-300's To LAX

Wed Apr 06, 2005 6:35 am

Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 14):
do you know anything about the Bilateral that is in place? I can't really find anything on it. I only heard that AA could not fly to Australia because of that.

AA has flown to SYD in the past. There is nothing stopping them from flying there again. It is just that QF will find some way to keep other carriers out of the market at all costs, and AA really does not stand to benefit from attacking the yields of one of their partners.
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RE: Qantas B747-300's To LAX

Wed Apr 06, 2005 7:15 am

AA used to fly to the pacific. It did so in the early 1970's and then again in the late 1980's and early 1990's. They served both AKL and SYD. Now they only serve this part of the world in codeshare with QF.

NZ and the USA have an open skies agreement in place, so any airline can serve the two countries. From a local marketing point of view, I hope CO starts flying again. An AKL-IAH service would be nice, and provide fast links to middle America and avoid the horrors of LAX. Also, CO is still remembered here in NZ as providing competition on the pacific routes.

RE UA, that only serves AKL in codeshare with NZ, while it still serves Australia in its own right. The competition on the pacific routes comes form the likes of Air Tahiti Nui, Hawaiian and Air Pacific. Both offer stopping services via their island hubs. The TN factor could be cause for concern to the big boys as it offers a quality product and it's shuffled its timetables to offer a connecting NYC-PPT-SYD and vv service that is no slower than going via LAX or SFO, but without the stressful transfer in these airports.
 
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RE: Qantas B747-300's To LAX

Wed Apr 06, 2005 9:56 am

Does anyone know how QF's new BNE-LAX nonstop service is doing?
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RE: Qantas B747-300's To LAX

Wed Apr 06, 2005 11:17 am

it's doing fine, if it wasn't it'd not be operating, there is good demand outof BNE and it saves passengers having to fly to Sydney then connect on to Bne.
 
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RE: Qantas B747-300's To LAX

Wed Apr 06, 2005 12:46 pm

Quoting ZK-NBT (Thread starter):
Hopefully VH-EBU Nalanji dreaming will visit, though it is currently the last aircraft getting the new interior and is still at AVV, not sure when it is due back in service

ZK-NBT, any info as to when Nalanji makes it back into svc.. would be a huge assist! Keep us LAx-ers posted!

Thanks,

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RE: Qantas B747-300's To LAX

Wed Apr 06, 2005 12:47 pm

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Makes no sense to have NZ and UA flying there, they are both Star members, why then AA doesn´t fly to SYD, they must have a agreement wth QF, wich makes more sense, or like they do in SCL with LAN.

Makes perfect sense when both carriers fill up with pax and or freight. It also makes STAR more appealing for customers.

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RE: Qantas B747-300's To LAX

Wed Apr 06, 2005 1:30 pm

Simple answers to that, they don't have the equipment nor the demand. QF is taking care of the market quite well with 5/6/7 flights a day to LAX.
 
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RE: Qantas B747-300's To LAX

Wed Apr 06, 2005 3:18 pm

Quoting Erikwilliam (Reply 11):
Makes no sense to have NZ and UA flying there,

NZ don't fly LAX-SYD non-stop now, so it does make sense for UA to fly the direct route. Some NZ flights now operate LAX-SYD via AKL

Quoting Erikwilliam (Reply 5):
how´s the competition to Australia/New Zealand from LAX???

Its good and could soon get even better.
LAX-SYD (direct)
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RE: Qantas B747-300's To LAX

Wed Apr 06, 2005 3:32 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 22):
LAX-AKL (with stops)
TN

I'd add FJ to that aswell, though i'm not to sure how many people would go AKL-LAX via NAN, but definatly an option.
 
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RE: Qantas B747-300's To LAX

Fri Apr 15, 2005 4:41 pm

Today Friday 15th is the first 743 flight to LAX.

Haven't got a rego yet. Flight left AKL at around 1830 local with 352POB.

Due into LAX at 1045, looks to be a little early at this stage, ETA 1030.
 
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RE: Qantas B747-300's To LAX

Fri Apr 15, 2005 6:17 pm

They Use the 747-300s in tokyo saw a few last week!
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RE: Qantas B747-300's To LAX

Fri Apr 15, 2005 7:05 pm

they use the 747-300 to Tokyo everyday, have done for a long time now...
 
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RE: Qantas B747-300's To LAX

Fri Apr 15, 2005 10:20 pm

VH-EBT was the a/c that operated QF 25 today.
 
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RE: Qantas B747-300's To LAX

Mon Apr 18, 2005 7:41 am

Looks like VH-EBT got the duty again today (April 17th). If the pattern holds.. it appears whatever Fridays' ship is... will also be the following Sunday's operation.

Hoping for a Nalanji visit!

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RE: Qantas B747-300's To LAX

Mon Apr 18, 2005 8:13 am

Quoting UAMAYBACH1239 (Reply 20):
Makes no sense to have NZ and UA flying there, they are both Star members

Except that UA offered the service for years. They were not filling the 744 so they downgauged to the 772ER. That would have been fine, except that their PW4090 powered 772ERs are restricted to 646,000 lbs. MTOW, and not the 656,000 lbs. MTOW that you can have with Trents or GE-90s. Hence, UA could not carry all they wanted and dropped the route

Quoting UAMAYBACH1239 (Reply 20):
why then AA doesn´t fly to SYD, they must have a agreement wth QF, wich makes more sense,

AA does not fly to SYD because they tried and failed.

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 23):
I'd add FJ to that aswell, though i'm not to sure how many people would go AKL-LAX via NAN, but definatly an option.

Well, NZ has flown a 763 on an island hopping service AKL-NAN/PPT/etc.-LAX for years
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RE: Qantas B747-300's To LAX

Mon Apr 18, 2005 8:54 am

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 23):
I'd add FJ to that aswell, though i'm not to sure how many people would go AKL-LAX via NAN, but definatly an option.

I know heaps of people who have done it, including me. It is popular for Americans, Canadians, and Europeans who are flying Air Pacific because they plan to stop off in Fiji on the way to (or back from) New Zealand.
 
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RE: Qantas B747-300's To LAX

Mon Apr 18, 2005 8:58 am

Quoting BN747 (Reply 28):
Hoping for a Nalanji visit!

no chance, she's at Avalon without engines and undergoing maintenence and refit, you'll be getting VH-EBT most of the time.
 
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RE: Qantas B747-300's To LAX

Mon Apr 18, 2005 9:37 am

Quoting PITrules (Reply 17):

Just letting you know that the BNE/LAX nonstops are doing very well - QF are adding a fourth service by July and a fifth service by November. When these two services are added, the frequency of the 744 tag to AKL will reduce, and smaller aircraft will be scheduled with more convenient times BNE/AKL vv to try and pick up the market which EK has taken with its more convenient flight times.
 
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RE: Qantas B747-300's To LAX

Mon Apr 18, 2005 10:37 am

Wonder if UA will restart LAX-MEL nonstop, LAX-AKL etc.

Also wonder if NZ will restart LAX-SYD
 
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RE: Qantas B747-300's To LAX

Mon Apr 18, 2005 10:50 am

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 23):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 22):
LAX-AKL (with stops)
TN

I'd add FJ to that aswell, though i'm not to sure how many people would go AKL-LAX via NAN, but definatly an option.

You could probably add HA's 4pw SYD-HNL then onto US services to that list also.

Quoting United Airline (Reply 33):
Wonder if UA will restart LAX-MEL nonstop, LAX-AKL etc.

I believe this is currently under review for MEL. Not sure about AKL.

Also FYI - QF has confirmed that it will operate LAX-MEL with the A380 from late 2006.
 
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RE: Qantas B747-300's To LAX

Mon Apr 18, 2005 11:05 am

Quoting United Airline (Reply 33):
Wonder if UA will restart LAX-MEL nonstop, LAX-AKL etc.

Also wonder if NZ will restart LAX-SYD

LAX-MEL is very hard for a regular 744 to do profitably.

As has been discussed, UA dropped AKL and in return NZ dropped SYD. It helps both carriers work on the yields.

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RE: Qantas B747-300's To LAX

Mon Apr 18, 2005 11:07 am

Quoting United Airline (Reply 33):
Also wonder if NZ will restart LAX-SYD

We have no plans to do so any time soon I can promise you that.

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RE: Qantas B747-300's To LAX

Mon Apr 18, 2005 3:47 pm

Quoting Onedude (Reply 32):
Just letting you know that the BNE/LAX nonstops are doing very well - QF are adding a fourth service by July and a fifth service by November. When these two services are added, the frequency of the 744 tag to AKL will reduce, and smaller aircraft will be scheduled with more convenient times BNE/AKL vv to try and pick up the market which EK has taken with its more convenient flight times.

Well that is about time. So much Brisbane trans tasman business is going to NZ and EK . With only an 1125 am to AKL and a 6.40am on the return this is hardly enticing. NZ has at three flights per day.

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