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Boeing: We'll Outsell Airbus In 2005

Tue Apr 05, 2005 9:18 pm

Some tough talk from the new Head of Sales at Boeing after last years late re-shuffle of their Sales Team. Mr Scott Carson has come out with the following:

``We'll beat them this year,'' said Scott Carson, Chicago-
based Boeing's vice president of commercial aircraft sales, at a
press conference near Seattle yesterday. He didn't give a full-year
forecast for orders. ``The trick will be keeping momentum going
past the usual peaks,'' including the Paris air show in June, when
airlines typically place orders for aircraft.


Does this mean Boeing may change track and be saving a few order for Paris?

On Price

``Price competition is as intense as I can imagine right now
and it continues to intensify,'' Carson said. ``When we win an
order, Airbus comes back harder with price on the next
competition.'' Carson's sales strategy is based on earlier achievements made
in price-cutting and he's not worried about price cuts outpacing
gains made in productivity, he said.


Airbus response

``We've only just finished the first quarter, the year isn't
over yet,'' said Barbara Kracht, a spokeswoman for Airbus, in a
telephone interview.


Story is available via several news outlets but Bloomberg is the only one that botheres to ask Airbus for a comment so I'm using it as it gives boths sides the opportunity to speak.

Carson mentioned China and India as two key markets to drive growth and will be in China next week on Sales calls. We all know there are many RFPs which are yet to be closed but Boeing are definately looking to be more aggressive despite their recent success.

Here is a link to a briefer report on the interview, below:

http://channels.netscape.com/ns/pf/n...900&w=RTR&coview=&TickerSymbols=BA

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Tue Apr 05, 2005 9:26 pm

Well they have a flying start thanks to the 73NG's and to some extent the 78's. Looks like they'll really give it a go this year.

Quoting PANAM_DC10 (Thread starter):
Carson mentioned China and India as two key markets to drive growth and will be in China next week on Sales calls.

Possibly trying to push the Chinese to order more 78's? Other carrier such as BR to maybe order the 772LRF? Boeing will definately be trying to push this plane to the Asian cargo carriers.

Any other thoughts?
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RE: Boeing: We'll Outsell Airbus In 2005

Tue Apr 05, 2005 9:29 pm

Quoting PANAM_DC10 (Thread starter):
``We'll beat them this year,'' said Scott Carson

LOL. How childish !
 
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Tue Apr 05, 2005 9:34 pm

Quoting Sebolino (Reply 2):
LOL. How childish !

Childish? Really, you think? It doesn't bother me for some reason. It seems like I see similar comments like this coming out of Airbus with some frequency, and were I a Boeing or Airbus stockholder, I'd like to see this kind of committment to success. And as a consumer, I definitely like seeing this from both companies: more competition means cheaper planes which mean cheaper prices for me.

But if Boeing does wind up winning this year, it was more or less inevitable. Boeing and Airbus are fairly evenly matched, and Airbus's victory in the order count the last few years seems to me to be a product of their somewhat fresher product line. Since Boeing is in the process of freshening their line, it seems logical that some years the balance will swing back to Boeing.

Both manufacturers are healthy. This is good news. And if they're both driven to beat each other, well, who am I to complain?  Wink
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Tue Apr 05, 2005 9:40 pm

Quoting Sebolino (Reply 2):
LOL. How childish !

No harm in being bullish. After all, Boeing has shareholders to impress and the company isn't going to sell planes by saying "We aim to sell more planes this year."

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Tue Apr 05, 2005 9:43 pm

Interesting that he called the A-350 a "non-factor" in Boeing missing it's sales forecast for the 787 (when referring to the 200 frame goal last year). I don't think Boeing sees this aircraft as a long term threat.
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Optimism is definetely good  Smile
Makes your employees for one feel good and helps boost overall company moral.

Good deal!

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Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:09 pm

Quoting N844AA (Reply 3):
And as a consumer, I definitely like seeing this from both companies: more competition means cheaper planes which mean cheaper prices for me.

After re-reading some of the replies, this one caught my eye...

Im not 100% convinced of two things:
1) The consumer
2) Cheaper prices

1a) If by consumer you mean airline, then thats good for them. If by consumer you mean airline passenger, Im not so sure that they care at all. Most dont know the difference between an Airbus 780 or a Boeing 319. Catch my drift?

1b) I dont believe that a cheaper plane to buy will translate in cheaper tickets. WHAT I WOULD BELIEVE though, is that cheaper operating costs of a plane would make a cheaper tickets.

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Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:14 pm

Oh no, more of this, "my ***** is bigger than your *****" nonsense. In any case, what do you expect Scott Carson to say, "...Airbus will clean our clocks again this year, but there is always next year". These guys are paid to talk that kind of meaningless nonsense. Both manufacturers are experts at it. Pay no attention to it.

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Quoting N844AA (Reply 3):
were I a Boeing or Airbus stockholder, I'd like to see this kind of committment to success

I think it's a bit more complicated than that. Shareholders are interested in profits, dividends and money - not in whether their company outsold another. You can buy market share by dropping prices but that doesn't generate profits - certainly not in the short-term.

But how interesting this whole testosterone-charged face-off has become. Not long ago (certainly within the past decade) Boeing dismissed the likelihood of Airbus ever catching (far less surpassing) them. "We're No.1 and it's not a position we intend to give up," was the public line. Then it happened. The Boeing line then was "So what? We're not chasing market share. We're in this business to make profits, not worry about volume." Now things seem to have changed again.

Selling more than your rival and bragging about market share is not all there is too it. There was a calendar year about a decade ago when BAe (as it was) sold 50 Avro RJs. It seemed cause for considerable celebration. But they weren't making money. A later and wiser policy limited themselves to a maximum annual production rate of 24. Ramping up and ramping down production rates as they chased (and sometimes won) orders was killing them. "Turning out a couple of dozen planes a year - steadily - will make us a nice little profit," they said. "We'll settle for that rather than do whatever we have to do to sell ever more aircraft." And so while Fokker outsold them and then went bust, BAe kept pootling along with an unexciting but - for a while - profitable production line.

If and when the management of either Airbus or Boeing make the "beating" of their rival their main priority, they'll be in trouble. Both make fine planes and both know how to market and sell them. But I hope they remember that this is a business, not an ice-hockey match.
 
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Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:41 pm

While I think Boeing ought to let the order book speak for itself, I think the public remarks of Boeing execs (including Carson) are a portrait of refinement compared in light of the arrogant swagger displayed by John Leahy and his colleagues.
 
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Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:51 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 10):
I think it's a bit more complicated than that. Shareholders are interested in profits, dividends and money - not in whether their company outsold another. You can buy market share by dropping prices but that doesn't generate profits - certainly not in the short-term.

Naturally. I should have been more precise. It's like the old joke, how are you going to make money from selling at a loss? (A: Volume!) That would be foolish, and the people who run Boeing and Airbus definitely know better. But I like to see a healthy competitive spirit. I think, in general and properly directed, it's a good thing for a company and its employees to possess.
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Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:58 pm

Quoting N844AA (Reply 12):
the people who run Boeing and Airbus definitely know better

Alas, I'd like to agree with you but I'm not sure that is always true!
 
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Quoting PM (Reply 13):
Alas, I'd like to agree with you but I'm not sure that is always true!

Good point. In any case, let's hope so. Instead of sticking my foot any deeper into my mouth, let me just say that I look forward to many years of vigorous competition among airliner manufacturers. How's that?  Wink
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Quoting N844AA (Reply 14):
let me just say that I look forward to many years of vigorous competition among airliner manufacturers. How's that?

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Tue Apr 05, 2005 11:41 pm

Idle speculation...

Purely a guess without knowing which airline is in the market for what aircraft in what numbers and whether A or B will secure orders from them, I guess that Boeing will secure more orders than Airbus this year.

As an aside, if Boeing does launch the 747ADV, it needs some launch customers committed to a reasonable number of aircraft. If in addition Airbus takes the A350 back to the drawing board, we could end up with a big disparity in A and B orders.

A 55/45 split or even nearer 60/40 in Boeing's favour in 2005?
 
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Tue Apr 05, 2005 11:57 pm

That is pretty balsy statement from Boeing and certainly a challenge to Airbus..
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Quoting Art (Reply 16):
A 55/45 split or even nearer 60/40 in Boeing's favour in 2005?

Could be; they're off to a good start. But more complications: does Carson mean that Boeing will sell more airframes or generate greater revenue or make greater profits or what? It's the 737 that has given them a flying start to 2005 but that's their smallest and cheapest (everything's relative! cheeky  ) model. They could "outsell" Airbus in 2005 in units while Airbus made more $$$ selling a hundred A380s. (Note: this is not a prediction; merely a theoretical argument... wave  )

An interesting measure that Flight International (for one) has started using is each company's % of the existing backlog. Airbus has built up a healthy lead here that could take Boeing a couple of years to claw back. I think the idea is that the two companies are likely to swap back and forwards the notional No.1 slot in sales each year but that a more meaningful comparison is how many planes each one has waiting to be built.
 
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Wed Apr 06, 2005 12:06 am

Perhaps such a prediction will come true.

However, it seems to me that the most important remarks in the article appeared to have been overlooked.

BA has:
1. Learned to move faster in making key decisions for its customers.
2. Made all the necessary moves to improve the performance of its sales team.
3. Paid more attention to some customers it had neglected in the past.

I recall having a generated a thread as to the reasons behind BA's dramatic change in fortune as regards new orders during the current year. In it some of the reasons behind BA's success story in 2005 have actually been mentioned by Scott Carson. This highlights the wealth of knowledge available amongst the participants of the A-Net forum. This despite the fact that the A v B syndrome does creeps in from time to time.
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Wed Apr 06, 2005 12:08 am

I have feeling that Airbus has something up there sleeve. That may be the reason you haven 't heard anything from Leahy and the team.

I wouldn't be too suprised if you see quiet a few orders for A @ the Paris show.

I forsee a 50-50 split this year......
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Quoting PM (Reply 18):
Could be; they're off to a good start. But more complications: does Carson mean that Boeing will sell more airframes or generate greater revenue or make greater profits or what? It's the 737 that has given them a flying start to 2005 but that's their smallest and cheapest (everything's relative! ) model. They could "outsell" Airbus in 2005 in units while Airbus made more $$$ selling a hundred A380s. (Note: this is not a prediction; merely a theoretical argument... )

I think Carson is saying that they can beat Airbus in orders taken in 2005 but they won't beat them in aircraft deliveries this year (and probably next year). In terms of profitability, sure if there is an order for 100 A380 that will be profitable for Airbus but only when the Aircraft is delivered, the airlines don't fully pay for the aircraft until delivery.
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Wed Apr 06, 2005 12:15 am

Boeing just posted this on their website, it has 54 737NGs delivered in just the first quarter. . .here is a link: http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2005/q2/nr_050405a.html
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Quoting NYC777 (Reply 21):
I think Carson is saying that they can beat Airbus in orders taken in 2005 but they won't beat them in aircraft deliveries this year (and probably next year).

Agree. It won't happen this year and the gap will be even less in 2006. Perhaps 2007.....?

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Wed Apr 06, 2005 10:50 am

Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 1):
Other carrier such as BR to maybe order the 772LRF?

Actually scratch that... BR don't seem to know what they are doing with the 777. All they know is that they will still take their 773ER's.

The source I talk to at BR says that they'll take the orders they have, but probably just for 773ER's. Little to no interest in the LRF anymore or so they say.

Enough to make my head spin.
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Wed Apr 06, 2005 10:54 am

Quoting Airportugal310 (Reply 6):
Optimism is definetely good

Its required in a salesman! Now find me one that doesn't drink!

Quoting N844AA (Reply 13):
let me just say that I look forward to many years of vigorous competition among airliner manufacturers. How's that?

Here here. Compitition only improves the breed. I'd love to see a 747adv, 774, 737NNG, 389, and other "game changing" aircraft.

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Quoting Sebolino (Reply 2):
LOL. How childish !

I won't bother criticizing this comment b/c I'm SURE that you responded the same way to Leahy's usual nonsense.
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Wed Apr 06, 2005 11:32 am

Both A & B will have a good 2005.

Damned lies and statistics.

New unit & $ sales, for delivery in 2005? Not sure who will win that race.
Aircraft units delivered in 2005? This will be a close race.
$ deliveries in 2005? A if A38 as scheduled.
New unit sales, delivery any time? B
New $ sales, delivery any time? This will be a close race.

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Once Boeing delclares their country of orgin on all their parts/suppliers the U.S. goverment is going to begin a hand out to them to compete with the european hand out!
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Wed Apr 06, 2005 11:55 am

Rumour has it, and I have heard this from head office (Air Canada), the big widebody order will go to Boeing, so maybe the CEO of Boeing is dropping hints that some crucial and important orders are coming their way. All I can say is, IF we do indeed go Boeing...THANK CHRIST.
 
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If Boeing doesn't get more orders this year , it's gonna be just like the Yankees / Red Sox all over again . They had a big lead , then blew it !!!  banghead 
 
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Wed Apr 06, 2005 12:29 pm

Quoting LH477 (Reply 19):
I forsee a 50-50 split this year......

It's hardly been more than 45/55 in the last few years Nostradamus  Wink... not really a stunning prediction.

Quoting LH477 (Reply 19):
I have feeling that Airbus has something up there sleeve. That may be the reason you haven 't heard anything from Leahy and the team.

I wouldn't be too suprised if you see quiet a few orders for A @ the Paris show.

You and the entire aviation press... Airbus and air show = order fanfare. Nothing new here.

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 24):
Here here. Compitition only improves the breed. I'd love to see a 747adv, 774, 737NNG, 389, and other "game changing" aircraft.

I wouldn't consider the 747-Adv, a 777-400, and the A380-800 to be "game changers" in any way. The Adv is nothing new, a 774 stretch wouldn't be a new market, and the A389 is basically a lightweight 772ER.

Quoting PM (Reply 17):
But more complications: does Carson mean that Boeing will sell more airframes or generate greater revenue or make greater profits or what? It's the 737 that has given them a flying start to 2005 but that's their smallest and cheapest (everything's relative! ) model. They could "outsell" Airbus in 2005 in units while Airbus made more $$$ selling a hundred A380s

I think it's safe to say both. The A388 is much more revenue per aircraft, but the 787 isn't a low-yield airplane either, and Boeing will sell it at incredible volume. For example, The order for 60 787 from China was worth more revenue to Boeing than the 5 A388 orders they placed with Airbus. Which would you rather have: just the A388, or both the 777 and 787 lines?

Another massive EK order would give Airbus a huge chunk of A388 revenue, but it's still a rumour at this point.
 
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If the words "what if" , "Its rumored", "analists Predict" would be banned from A net....
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Quoting Theredbaron (Reply 31):
If the words "what if" , "Its rumored", "analists Predict" would be banned from A net....

...it would become a much more boring place and I'd ask for my $25 back. Of course it's all just speculation, rumour and guesswork. That's the fun of it. I can read Flight International or go to the manufactuers' websites if I want hard news. We are a bunch of guys leaning on the bar and arguing the toss (with or without much real knowledge or understanding) about what may or may not happen. In that sense, it's very much like a football game.

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Quoting Crj 900 (Reply 28):
Rumour has it, and I have heard this from head office (Air Canada), the big widebody order will go to Boeing, so maybe the CEO of Boeing is dropping hints that some crucial and important orders are coming their way. All I can say is, IF we do indeed go Boeing...THANK CHRIST.

Lol. Why would AC head office tell you what planes they are buying? If its so secretive, they're not going to tell you, which probably indicates that they haven't made their decision yet. In all likelihood this will be a Boeing order though. Did your source tell you what kind of Boeing jets they would be?
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Quoting N844AA (Reply 3):
Childish? Really, you think?

Yes I do.

A big company manager can say "We will do better than our competitor" or "We will regain our rank of number 1".
But with "we'll beat them" I clearly see John Wayne talking about the evil Indians, or Bush saying "Bring'em on".
Definitely not a serious way to speak, except for cowboys.
 
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Quoting Bjg231 (Reply 25):
I won't bother criticizing this comment b/c I'm SURE that you responded the same way to Leahy's usual nonsense.

You're problem is that you think in term of baseball team.  Smile

I don't give a shit about Leahy, I don't know what he ever said, and I don't care at all.
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Quoting Sebolino (Reply 35):
Do you remember we are talking about 2 multinational groups and not sport ?

If that is the case. Why, as you so eloquently put it, would you "give a sh*t" about what either one says then? Unless you're naturally biased toward one...You know, kinda like a baseball team  Wink

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Quoting PANAM_DC10 (Reply 36):
If that is the case. Why, as you so eloquently put it, would you "give a sh*t" about what either one says then?

Because I care about the competition against Boeing and Airbus. I think that's something "important" (economically) as each manufacturer seems to become the flagship of a continent.
Still I don't know what Leahy said, so what can I answer ?
 
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Wed Apr 06, 2005 5:59 pm

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Still I don't know what Leahy said,

I don't think it is just one thing that Leahy has said in particular. More like his actual approach and a series of statements overall. In fact, go back in the archives and I think you'll find that his approach has been construed by many to be more or less the same as John Wayne's swaggering cowboy attitude.

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Wed Apr 06, 2005 6:28 pm

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 24):
I'd love to see a 747adv, 774, 737NNG, 389, and other "game changing" aircraft.

I'm afraid there is no chance you'll see both the B747Adv and a B777-400. It will be either or neither -- definitely not both.
 
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Wed Apr 06, 2005 7:32 pm

As I first posted in 04/11. 2005 is going to be a Good Year for Boeing.  Smile
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Wed Apr 06, 2005 8:08 pm

This is just a moral boost for Boeing! -Dont dispare...we kick Airbus  butthead  this year!!

2 years in a row for B and not the top a/c deliverer...ouuch, that must hurt! banghead 

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The Fightback Begins.
Outhere the Demand for A320s & B737NGs are increasing as more LCC are opting for these Aircraft.
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Wed Apr 06, 2005 9:04 pm

Its very obvious already that Boeing will win in orders already.
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Quoting 777ER (Reply 43):
Its very obvious already that Boeing will win in orders already

773ER, I'm not so sure it's a given. Airbus has some "carry over" orders from 2004 that they had not "closed" in 2004 and which will appear on the books this year. AirAsia is a good example with original 40 A32X upsized to 60 firm and to be booked in 2005 so that will help Airbus and as they said in response to Mr Carson, "The year isn't over yet"

I'm still intrigued about Boeing's approach to Paris Airshow. We all know they let their customer announce the order but Mr Carson's comments where he says "past the usual peaks" suggests to me that they may well announce a substantial order at Paris and then continue to announce sales in the weeks after. If that is the case then I'd most definately agree with your statement

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Wed Apr 06, 2005 10:17 pm

Quoting PANAM_DC10 (Reply 38):
In fact, go back in the archives and I think you'll find that his approach has been construed by many to be more or less the same as John Wayne's swaggering cowboy attitude.

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I wouldn't be surprised to see Airbus making the same type of comments ...
Where did I say that it was exclusive to Boeing ?
 
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Wed Apr 06, 2005 10:39 pm

Quoting Sebolino (Reply 45):
Where did I say that it was exclusive to Boeing ?

You didn't, however, I may have made my point clearer. If you read my full post I was answering your question. Which was as follows:

Quoting Sebolino (Reply 37):
Still I don't know what Leahy said, so what can I answer ?

You didn't know what Leahy had said, or so I thought from quote, I suggested a search of the archives so you might get an idea of what some others were alluding to when they refer to Mr Leahy and what he has or hasn't said. Which was an attempt to answer your question.

With respect, you're in France, been a member since 2001 and have over 2300 posts. I would have thought you'd have a good idea as to what Mr Leahy has said over recent years. My apologies for just trying to answer a question.

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Wed Apr 06, 2005 10:49 pm

Sebolino,

Give it a rest. You have posted far too many posts critical of Boeing or the U.S. or both to now smarmily feign neutrality.

You called Carson "childish" for stating that he will best the competition in fairly measured words and then plead ignorance about Leahy's legendary bombast.
 
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Wed Apr 06, 2005 11:04 pm

Quoting N79969 (Reply 47):
You have posted far too many posts critical of Boeing or the U.S. or both to now smarmily feign neutrality.

Thank you for clarifying my point of view. I should always ask you what I really think ...  Smile

I like the part "critical of Boeing or the US", which implies that criticizing one is like criticizing the other ...

Quoting N79969 (Reply 47):
You called Carson "childish" for stating that he will best the competition in fairly measured words

"We'll beat them" is fairly measured words ? Well that's not insulting for sure, but that's more what you find before a football game than before an annual sales report.
If you find it normal business communication, that's up to you.

Next time they will have good news to communicate why not saying something like "Hey buddies. We'll kick ass. Our stocks will explode the roof".  Smile
 
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Wed Apr 06, 2005 11:14 pm

Quoting Sebolino (Reply 48):
before a football game than before an annual sales report.
If you find it normal business communication, that's up to you.

Unlike PanAMDC10 I will not give you the benefit of the doubt. Your pretense of innocence is as bogus as it is unconvincing to anyone that has read more than 5 of your posts.

Why don't you go look up some of your distinguished ex-leader's, Lionel Jospin, remarks about the competition between Airbus and Boeing before posting any more hollow platitudes on proper business communication and decorum.

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