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Point-to-point Commuter/express Routes?

Wed Apr 06, 2005 5:21 am

I know AAEagle flies ORD-TVC-MQT, and AAConnection flies STL-BNA-ATL. AA sells tickets on the TVC-MQT route and the BNA-ATL route, but I'm not sure how many.

I was wondering what other express/commuter airlines (DL Connection, UA Express, etc) fly these point-to-point routes, and if they are vestiges from the older point-to-point, pre-deregulation days, or are they real money-makers?
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RE: Point-to-point Commuter/express Routes?

Wed Apr 06, 2005 5:54 am

The US Airways Express carriers operate *lots* of point-to-point flying.

Air Midwest operates some point-to-point routes in the Carolinas and in Kansas, with Beech 1900 aircraft. Air Midwest's Kansas service is primarily EAS-subsidized, though they used to operate a much larger network out of MCI. Air Midwest recently discontinued its point-to-point flying in Florida.

Colgan operates some point-to-point at Washington/Dulles, and lots of point-to-point in New York and New England, also with the Beech 1900. Colgan's IAD service is primarily EAS-subsidized.

Trans States operates some point-to-point out of Baltimore with the Jetstream 41.

Most other US Airways Express service, including regional jet service and service operated by Piedmont, is based at CLT, PHL, PIT, DCA, LGA, BOS, FLL.

Until a few years ago, US had a much larger amount of point-to-point service, including Piedmont in the Carolinas and Florida, CCAir in the Carolinas, Chautauqua at Indianapolis and the midwest, and Trans States in the mid-Atlantic and California.
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RE: Point-to-point Commuter/express Routes?

Wed Apr 06, 2005 5:59 am

COEX has:
MEX-LRD/MFE/SAT
LAX-MTJ/AGU/MLM/BJX
DFW-GUC
 
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RE: Point-to-point Commuter/express Routes?

Wed Apr 06, 2005 6:08 am

What is this bird flying:


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I never knew of US to have a D/FW presence of note. My guess is

El Dorado, AR Air Midwest 2510 08:30 AM Arrived
Hot Springs, AR Air Midwest 2622 08:57 AM Arrived
Harrison, AR Air Midwest 2624 01:14 PM Arrived
El Dorado, AR Air Midwest 2516 05:30 PM Planned
Hot Springs, AR Air Midwest 2628 05:42 PM Planned

Anyone know?
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RE: Point-to-point Commuter/express Routes?

Wed Apr 06, 2005 6:20 am

What is this bird flying:
I never knew of US to have a D/FW presence of note. My guess is

El Dorado, AR Air Midwest 2510 08:30 AM Arrived
Hot Springs, AR Air Midwest 2622 08:57 AM Arrived
Harrison, AR Air Midwest 2624 01:14 PM Arrived
El Dorado, AR Air Midwest 2516 05:30 PM Planned
Hot Springs, AR Air Midwest 2628 05:42 PM Planned

Anyone know?


Air Midwest operates some EAS flights out of various airports, including DFW, that are operated as Mesa Airlines, and not under their franchise agreement with US Airways. In many instances, however, you will get Air Midwest Beech 1900 aircraft in the US Airways Express livery operating Mesa Airlines routes, and vice versa, due to maintenance subsitutions and the like.

Here's a US livery at a YV city, and a YV livery at a US city:


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Personally, my favorites are the ones that look something like this:  Smile


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RE: Point-to-point Commuter/express Routes?

Wed Apr 06, 2005 6:25 am

Quoting A330323X (Reply 4):
and a YV livery at a US city:

It think YV has some of its own flights in MCI know, as while as US flights, because they now have their own ticket counter. It has been put up within the past year.

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RE: Point-to-point Commuter/express Routes?

Wed Apr 06, 2005 6:29 am

It think YV has some of its own flights in MCI know, as while as US flights, because they now have their own ticket counter. It has been put up within the past year.

Yes, Air Midwest does now operate a single daily MCI-OMA flight as Mesa Airlines for repositioning purposes.

But they didn't when that picture was taken.  Wink
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RE: Point-to-point Commuter/express Routes?

Wed Apr 06, 2005 6:40 am

Quoting A330323X (Reply 6):
But they didn't when that picture was taken

Ah, my bad. I thought it said Feb. 2005, instead of '04.
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RE: Point-to-point Commuter/express Routes?

Wed Apr 06, 2005 7:26 am

Quoting A330323X (Reply 4):
Air Midwest operates some EAS flights out of various airports, including DFW, that are operated as Mesa Airlines, and not under their franchise agreement with US Airways. In many instances, however, you will get Air Midwest Beech 1900 aircraft in the US Airways Express livery operating Mesa Airlines routes, and vice versa, due to maintenance subsitutions and the like.

Hey, great. This makes perfect sense, and now that I think of it, good old Atlantic Coast Airlines used to pull this trick on us while operating as DL Connection. Thank you for the explanation A330323X  yes 
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RE: Point-to-point Commuter/express Routes?

Wed Apr 06, 2005 9:12 am

Quoting A330323X (Reply 4):
What is this bird flying:
I never knew of US to have a D/FW presence of note. My guess is

El Dorado, AR Air Midwest 2510 08:30 AM Arrived
Hot Springs, AR Air Midwest 2622 08:57 AM Arrived
Harrison, AR Air Midwest 2624 01:14 PM Arrived
El Dorado, AR Air Midwest 2516 05:30 PM Planned
Hot Springs, AR Air Midwest 2628 05:42 PM Planned

Anyone know?

The routings on the Arkansas flights:

DFW-El Dorado-Jonesboro-El Dorado-DFW

DFW-Hot Springs-Harrison-Hot Springs-DFW

Also... DFW-Brownwood-DFW
and DFW-Ponca City, OK-DFW

I'm fairly sure this is the routing on the flights.
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RE: Point-to-point Commuter/express Routes?

Wed Apr 06, 2005 9:14 am

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 9):
I'm fairly sure this is the routing on the flights.

Yeah, but they're not being operated as US Airways Express/Connection flights are they?
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RE: Point-to-point Commuter/express Routes?

Wed Apr 06, 2005 9:18 am

Quoting B4real (Reply 10):
Yeah, but they're not being operated as US Airways Express/Connection flights are they?

No, just as Mesa Airlines.

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RE: Point-to-point Commuter/express Routes?

Wed Apr 06, 2005 9:20 am

Quoting B4real (Reply 10):
Yeah, but they're not being operated as US Airways Express/Connection flights are they?

I believe they are marked as Mesa Airlines flights
 
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RE: Point-to-point Commuter/express Routes?

Wed Apr 06, 2005 9:21 am

OK, thanks. For years, I saw that and wondered, what in the heck was US doing - well, it makes a lot more sense as being a Mesa straight-up flight. I always thought they were unique in having codeshare agreements and independent ops.
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RE: Point-to-point Commuter/express Routes?

Wed Apr 06, 2005 9:28 am

American Eagle, US Airways Express, Delta Connection, and Cotinental Connection (Cape Air, Commutair, and Gulfstream; but not Colgan) have pretty extensive point-to-point regional routes. Northwest Airlink, Continental Express, and United Express have far fewer.

Here's a look at Delta Connection's regional operations out of Florida cities:

Fort Lauderdale to Birmingham, Charleston, Columbus, Dayton, Greensboro, Lexington, Louisville, Nashville, Nassau, Norfolk, Pensacola, Orlando, Raleigh, Richmond, and Tallahassee.

Orlando to Asheville, Birmingham, Charleston, Columbia, Columbus, Dayton, Fort Myers*, Greensboro, Gulfport/Biloxi, Huntsville, Knoxville, Lexington, Little Rock, Louisville, Mobile, Nashville, Nassau, New Orleans, Norfolk, Panama City, Pensacola, Raleigh, Richmond, Savannah*, Tallahassee, and Tri Cities.

Tallahasse to Fort Lauderdale, Miami, New York City, Orlando, Tampa and West Palm Beach.

Tampa to Birmingham, Charleston, Columbia, Columbus, Dayton, Greensboro, Huntsville, Knoxville, Lexington, Louisville, Mobile, Nassau, Pensacola, Raleigh, and Tallahasse

*Service ends in May on MCO-SAV and MCO-RSW.
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RE: Point-to-point Commuter/express Routes?

Wed Apr 06, 2005 9:33 am

I always thought they were unique in having codeshare agreements and independent ops.

As for why Air Midwest doesn't just operate everything as US Airways Express:

Air Midwest has to pay US a fee to use its livery, have US handle its reservations, and so forth. I'm not sure of their contract, but it's probably similar to Colgan's, who I believe pays about $6/pax plus 12% of revenue. In return, Colgan and Air Midwest have access to the US Airways Express brand, better marketing, connections, etc. However, with most of Air Midwest's far-flung EAS routes, they're getting subsidized by the government, so they really don't care a whole lot about who, if anyone, flies them. They'd rather save on the franchise fees than try to attract a few more incremental passengers.

Cape Air operates both as Cape Air and as Continental Connection, but I believe their situation is a bit different. Offhand, I can't think of any other regionals that operate both as a feeder and as a stand-alone. (Great Lakes and Big Sky operate all their flights under their own name, though they do codeshare with other carriers.)
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RE: Point-to-point Commuter/express Routes?

Wed Apr 06, 2005 9:35 am

Here is the non-hub/non-focus city point-to-point flights out of RDU:

US Airways: Asheville, Greenville/Spartanburg, Charleston, Norfolk

American: Providence*, Columbus*, Austin, Philadelphia*, Orlando, Hartford, Pensacola (to be added soon), London-Gatwick

Delta: New Orleans

AirTran: none
America West: none
Continental: none
Northwest: none
Southwest: None
United: none
Air Canada: none
Independence Air: none

*all service to be ending in next 1-3 months..
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