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Largest U.S. Airport Without Widebody Service?

Wed Apr 06, 2005 8:18 am

Does anyone know what the largest U.S. airport (in terms of passengers served) is without regularly schedule widebody passenger jet service?

I'm guessing MDW simply because of runway length. Or do they have widebody service? Is there any place bigger that is left out?
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RE: Largest U.S. Airport Without Widebody Service?

Wed Apr 06, 2005 8:39 am

Yes, MDW is correct. No current widebody service (that I'm aware of). After that would be DCA.

Here's a list of the 24 busiest U.S. airports. MDW is 18. The 17 before MDW all receive scheduled widebody service.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp.../A58476-2005Mar22?language=printer


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RE: Largest U.S. Airport Without Widebody Service?

Wed Apr 06, 2005 8:45 am

CLE must be in there too, and it could use some widebodys to London and other European citys.
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RE: Largest U.S. Airport Without Widebody Service?

Wed Apr 06, 2005 8:52 am

What about SNA? I havnt seen them allow anything bigger than a 752 and following the noise abatement requirement.
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RE: Largest U.S. Airport Without Widebody Service?

Wed Apr 06, 2005 8:54 am

What widebody service does MEM (#17) have?
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RE: Largest U.S. Airport Without Widebody Service?

Wed Apr 06, 2005 8:57 am

Homer71: I believe Northwest or KLM flies to AMS.

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RE: Largest U.S. Airport Without Widebody Service?

Wed Apr 06, 2005 8:58 am

Well, if DL were to stop sending their 767s to LGA, then LGA would be at the top of the list.
 
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RE: Largest U.S. Airport Without Widebody Service?

Wed Apr 06, 2005 9:01 am

Quoting Homer71 (Reply 4):
What widebody service does MEM (#17) have?

Just a few FedEx planes.  wink 

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RE: Largest U.S. Airport Without Widebody Service?

Wed Apr 06, 2005 9:02 am

Quoting CLE757 (Reply 2):
CLE must be in there too, and it could use some widebodys to London and other European citys.

Cleveland gets widebodies from UPS and FedEx, so we can't be in the running.
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RE: Largest U.S. Airport Without Widebody Service?

Wed Apr 06, 2005 9:31 am

OAK?? biggest non-cargo planes I believe are North American And UA's 752

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RE: Largest U.S. Airport Without Widebody Service?

Wed Apr 06, 2005 9:37 am

OAK.. I have seen some FedEx DC10 in OAK when I have flown in and out..
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RE: Largest U.S. Airport Without Widebody Service?

Wed Apr 06, 2005 9:49 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 3):
What about SNA? I havnt seen them allow anything bigger than a 752 and following the noise abatement requirement.

Noise is not the reason for the lack of widebodies, it is the 5700 foot main runway

Quoting Homer71 (Reply 4):
What widebody service does MEM (#17) have?

NW DC-10 to AMS for pax and so many Fed-Ex planes it is ridiculous
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RE: Largest U.S. Airport Without Widebody Service?

Wed Apr 06, 2005 10:26 am

PIT has fallen down the list but we only have the Fed Ex and UPS A300/310 and a US 762 CLT-PIT-PHL
 
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RE: Largest U.S. Airport Without Widebody Service?

Wed Apr 06, 2005 10:55 am

Quoting N766UA (Reply 8):
Cleveland gets widebodies from UPS and FedEx, so we can't be in the running.

Not to jump on you, N766UA, but the original post said: "Does anyone know what the largest U.S. airport (in terms of passengers served) is without regularly schedule widebody passenger jet service?"

What rules CLE out is # of passengers
MDW: 17mil
CLE: 13mil

Of course, when you go to http://www.chicago-mdw.com/ they show a picture of a 747 on the homepage.

Also, MDW is lacks it because of runway length, and because WN only operates the 737. CLE lacks it because CO would rather use their limited widebodies out of IAH and EWR (I do think they could fill some in CLE.)
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RE: Largest U.S. Airport Without Widebody Service?

Wed Apr 06, 2005 10:59 am

Quoting GoCOgo (Reply 13):
Also, MDW is lacks it because of runway length, and because WN only operates the 737.

Last I checked, TZ still flies L1011s into MDW
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RE: Largest U.S. Airport Without Widebody Service?

Wed Apr 06, 2005 11:28 am

Those facts N670UW gave are Takeoffs and Landings not passengers. I was wondering what some of those airports were doing so high up there like MEM. I think we are talking about passenger flights right.

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RE: Largest U.S. Airport Without Widebody Service?

Wed Apr 06, 2005 11:38 am

They can get an L1011 in and out of MDW on those short runways? Last I had heard was that a 757 was the biggest thing that could operate there. What is the story with DCA? Is it just overshadowed by other airports in the area or is it the proximity to the White House that keeps widebody craft out?
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RE: Largest U.S. Airport Without Widebody Service?

Wed Apr 06, 2005 12:08 pm

That list is wrong, where are SLC with 410,000 movements and PHL with 485,000 movements. It's funny how the paper just got rid of certain airports on the list.

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RE: Largest U.S. Airport Without Widebody Service?

Wed Apr 06, 2005 12:21 pm

How does MDW have more takeoffs/landings than JFK? IT's surprising that Chicago has that many flights if you count both Midway and O'Hare, but I'm very glad and proud of my beautiful hometown city!
 
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RE: Largest U.S. Airport Without Widebody Service?

Wed Apr 06, 2005 12:36 pm

They can get an L1011 in and out of MDW on those short runways? Last I had heard was that a 757 was the biggest thing that could operate there.
I also remember hearing when TZ started 757-300 service from MDW that it was the largest plane that could operate from MDW. If I remember correctly a 767 made an emergency landing at MDW some time ago, and it had to be stripped down to be flown back out so I doubt regular service would be feasable because of the short runways.
TZ certainly does not have current L1011 service from MDW though, if they ever fly them to Chicago they go to ORD
 
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RE: Largest U.S. Airport Without Widebody Service?

Wed Apr 06, 2005 12:37 pm

Quoting Indy (Reply 16):
What is the story with DCA? Is it just overshadowed by other airports in the area or is it the proximity to the White House that keeps widebody craft out?

DCA's main runway is less than 6900 feet long. Also, its taxiways and gate areas are really too tight for any sort of sustained widebody service

MDW, while its runways are even shorter, does have taxiway space around it to move. Much like L10s were able to fly out of LGA with its 7000 foot max runways, they are able to use MDW. Now, they are not going to fly their fill range, but they can fly where TZ needs them to go
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RE: Largest U.S. Airport Without Widebody Service?

Wed Apr 06, 2005 1:32 pm

Jeremy,

Good eye...Just so typical of today's irresponsible journalism that seems to be everywhere in the media!
 
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RE: Largest U.S. Airport Without Widebody Service?

Wed Apr 06, 2005 2:18 pm

STL is pretty big and does not have any wide body passenger service.

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RE: Largest U.S. Airport Without Widebody Service?

Wed Apr 06, 2005 9:17 pm

ATA never has used an L1011 into MDW--and they don't do so now.
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RE: Largest U.S. Airport Without Widebody Service?

Wed Apr 06, 2005 11:17 pm

SNA's out. They have a regular A300/A310 flight from UPS.



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RE: Largest U.S. Airport Without Widebody Service?

Thu Apr 07, 2005 12:25 am

Quoting CLE757 (Reply 2):
CLE must be in there too, and it could use some widebodys to London and other European citys.

Doesn't DL run a 764 to Hawaii from CLE? I believe they used to anyway.

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RE: Largest U.S. Airport Without Widebody Service?

Thu Apr 07, 2005 12:34 am

Delta has never run a 764 from CLE to anywhere.

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RE: Largest U.S. Airport Without Widebody Service?

Thu Apr 07, 2005 12:54 am

A friend of mine who works for FedEx claims that they made a demonstration flight with an A310 into MDW, he's not sure why or when. I've seen this rumor repeated in a couple of other threads in this forum as well
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RE: Largest U.S. Airport Without Widebody Service?

Thu Apr 07, 2005 1:01 am

Quoting IAHERJ (Reply 26):
Delta has never run a 764 from CLE to anywhere.

Except alas for DL 1989 on Sept. 11, 2001.  sigh 
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RE: Largest U.S. Airport Without Widebody Service?

Thu Apr 07, 2005 1:22 am

Quoting 777STL (Reply 25):
Doesn't DL run a 764 to Hawaii from CLE? I believe they used to anyway.

That would be CVG. I wish CO would, though, but we don't even get a widebody to LGW.

And stop bringing up the cargo carriers:

Quoting Indy (Thread starter):
without regularly schedule widebody passenger jet service?

Since when did UPS and FedEx do passenger? (Well UPS did with the 727, but that was a long time ago)
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RE: Largest U.S. Airport Without Widebody Service?

Thu Apr 07, 2005 2:00 am

Quoting Homer71 (Reply 4):
What widebody service does MEM (#17) have?

DC-10!
 
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RE: Largest U.S. Airport Without Widebody Service?

Thu Apr 07, 2005 2:47 am

Quoting GoCOgo (Reply 13):
Not to jump on you, N766UA, but the original post said: "Does anyone know what the largest U.S. airport (in terms of passengers served) is without regularly schedule widebody passenger jet service?"

I stand corrected. Except for diversions and middle-east dignitaries, we see no widebody passenger service. And to think in the late '90s we had DC-10s to ORD and, farther back in the '70s and '80s, we had 747s and DC-10s all over the place from United, Air Canada, Condor, and the like.
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RE: Largest U.S. Airport Without Widebody Service?

Thu Apr 07, 2005 3:05 am

I don't even see PHX on that Washington Post list.
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RE: Largest U.S. Airport Without Widebody Service?

Thu Apr 07, 2005 3:51 am

PIT could probably now quailify since USairways discontinued it's trans-Atlantic flights to Frankfurt and London this past fall.
 
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RE: Largest U.S. Airport Without Widebody Service?

Thu Apr 07, 2005 4:43 am

Quoting B741 (Reply 32):
I don't even see PHX on that Washington Post list.

So this list is saying that PHX did less than 271,000 t/o and landings and had 37+ million ppl pass through it?

Thats an average of 137 passangers an a/c at 270,000 movements. Thats kinda interesting. Although I guess its possible being they get alot of lighter a/c ie: CRJ, 737, MD82, A319, A320, and a few 757's.

Still interesting facts.

As far as the topic...i'll agree with post #1 & 2 and say MDW.

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RE: Largest U.S. Airport Without Widebody Service?

Thu Apr 07, 2005 4:59 am

I remember the late 90's at CLE when there was a daily UA DC-10 to ORD. I even witnessed a NW 747-400 departure off of the then 23L when I was next to go in a EMB-120. The airport authority had to do a runway sweep after he departed because he kicked up dirt, chunks of debris from the grass along with a few runway lights. It was awesome!

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RE: Largest U.S. Airport Without Widebody Service?

Thu Apr 07, 2005 5:41 am

Quoting Crownvic (Reply 21):
Jeremy,

Good eye...Just so typical of today's irresponsible journalism that seems to be everywhere in the media!

Are you speaking of the 747 on the Chicago Aviation homepage?
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RE: Largest U.S. Airport Without Widebody Service?

Thu Apr 07, 2005 5:45 am

Quoting GoCOgo (Reply 13):
Of course, when you go to http://www.chicago-mdw.com/ they show a picture of a 747 on the homepage.

That's actually not their homepage.

The homepage for Chicago Midway Airport is...

http://www.flychicago.com/midway/home.asp

If you look, you see a 757.

If you look at the other site, it belongs to The World Airport Guide.



So, irresponsible journalists my ass.
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RE: Largest U.S. Airport Without Widebody Service?

Thu Apr 07, 2005 5:57 am

Based on PASSENGERS CARRIED: I'd say it must be one of the following:

MDW
DCA
DAL
HOU
STL
PIT
CLE

other larger airports (but not the largest)
AUS
SAT
IND
SNA
MKE

All in all, I'd go with DCA
 
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RE: Largest U.S. Airport Without Widebody Service?

Thu Apr 07, 2005 6:01 am

The only widebody service that IND gets is FedEx and the ATA charters.
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RE: Largest U.S. Airport Without Widebody Service?

Thu Apr 07, 2005 8:46 am

Quoting IADCRJ (Reply 33):
PIT could probably now quailify since USairways discontinued it's trans-Atlantic flights to Frankfurt and London this past fall.

PIT still has scheduled 767 passenger service to CLT and PHL.
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RE: Largest U.S. Airport Without Widebody Service?

Thu Apr 07, 2005 9:31 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 20):
DCA's main runway is less than 6900 feet long. Also, its taxiways and gate areas are really too tight for any sort of sustained widebody service

Actually, I know after 9/11 there was a restriction on number of seats for DCA bound flights. I believe it was somewhere in the 150-160 range. I don't know if it was a restriction on number of available seats or number of actual pax...but either way it wouldn't make any sense to send a widebody there with those restrictions. Anyone know if that restriction is still in place?
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RE: Largest U.S. Airport Without Widebody Service?

Thu Apr 07, 2005 2:56 pm

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 22):
STL is pretty big and does not have any wide body passenger service.

Yeah, but STL's traffic is essentially half of what it used to be in 2000 and 2001. I think at point point STL had over 30 million passengers a year and now is struggling to make even 13! That's a considerable drop!

Quoting N1120A (Reply 20):
DCA's main runway is less than 6900 feet long. Also, its taxiways and gate areas are really too tight for any sort of sustained widebody service

The 767 is certified to fly into DCA. No one does though.

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RE: Largest U.S. Airport Without Widebody Service?

Sun Apr 10, 2005 10:04 pm

Thanks for the correction, I forgot about the D10 to AMS, and, yes, I know FedEx flies widebodies out of their main hub, but, alas, they don't provided pax service...yet  Wink
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