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Planes Used On Long Flights In America

Wed Apr 06, 2005 10:53 am

This may come as a stupid question but I've always wondered about it. Why is it that airlines use big airplanes like the 777 and 747 when flying from the American East Coast to Europe but they use planes like the A320 on flights from the East to the West American coasts. The flights are just about the same lengths yet the planes used to cross America are much smaller. I am asking this because it's not very comfortable sitting in a small A320 or A319 for 6 hours; I would much rather fly on a 777. Even big airlines like United (that have tons of 777s) use small A320s on their coast to coast flights.
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RE: Planes Used On Long Flights In America

Wed Apr 06, 2005 10:56 am

East Coast to West Coast flights are at a maximum about 7 hours..

East Coast to Europe flights are between 10-12 hours depending on the point of origin..

The 737/320 families can handle those kind of east-west flights.. but they cannot handle the transAtlantic flights without a fuelstop on at least one of the legs without special modification which would decrease the amount cargo hold (valuable commodity)...

I think this is correct, if not, somone will correct me..
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RE: Planes Used On Long Flights In America

Wed Apr 06, 2005 10:59 am

You don't need to have ETOPS (that cost lots of $$$) and the demand for a 747 from IAD to LAX. Smaller planes are cheaper to run and buy, also once they get across the country they can be used for short to medium haul routes.
 
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RE: Planes Used On Long Flights In America

Wed Apr 06, 2005 11:02 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 1):
East Coast to Europe flights are between 10-12 hours depending on the point of origin..

ERJ170,
Thank you for your answer. It makes sense. I just had a comment about what you said. About a week ago I flew IAD - CDG and back on AF and I remember both flights were just over 7 hrs. Thats why I was wondering about the aircraft used, because i know Dulles - San Francisco is 6 hours which is pretty close to the IAD - CDG.
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RE: Planes Used On Long Flights In America

Wed Apr 06, 2005 11:05 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 1):
East Coast to Europe flights are between 10-12 hours depending on the point of origin..

They are hardly this long. Think more in the range of 6-8 hours depending on how far south you are on the east coast and how far into Europe you are going.

The reason, I believe, airlines use smaller planes on transcons is the fact that the US airline market is focused on frequency over capacity. That's the way it's been in the US for a long while, American Airlines being the KING of smaller planes and greater frequency.

Now, when you are crossing the Atlantic, you have the need for greater capacity/fuel loads, and there are less overall flights from point to point.

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RE: Planes Used On Long Flights In America

Wed Apr 06, 2005 12:06 pm

The airlines use the big planes on routes that demand more seats and also a better premium product because they are bigger and designed for premium seats. These routes are the long haul routes. However, some routes, like ORD-DEN, ORD-SFO, ORD-LAX, ORD-IAD, DEN-IAD, DEN-SFO, DEN-LAX, IAD-LAX, and IAD-SFO have widebodies configured in an internatinal configuration which is much more comfortable. Other routes use widebodies, but only in a two-class configuration, with except for more people and possibly more "felt" space, is the same as an A320 or 757, like ORD-BWI. However, on JFK-LAX for example, United uses a 757, but in a special configuration that is very nice. It just depends on the route, time of day, and airline (different hubs.)
 
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RE: Planes Used On Long Flights In America

Wed Apr 06, 2005 12:11 pm

Quoting BG777300ER (Thread starter):
I am asking this because it's not very comfortable sitting in a small A320 or A319 for 6 hours

If you think these are small, then you haven't flown that many aircraft.

That aside, these aircraft fit in these missions perfectly. They fill the times when a larger aircraft, be it a 757, or widebody aircraft, simply would not be profitable to operate on such a route.
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RE: Planes Used On Long Flights In America

Wed Apr 06, 2005 12:11 pm

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 1):
East Coast to West Coast flights are at a maximum about 7 hours..

The longest is Alaska's MIA-SEA, at 6h30m.

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 1):
East Coast to Europe flights are between 10-12 hours depending on the point of origin..

Flights between the East Coast and Europe can be as short as six hours. BOS-SNN is shorter than MIA-SEA.
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RE: Planes Used On Long Flights In America

Wed Apr 06, 2005 12:11 pm

If transcon flights average between 5-6 hours, then transatlantic flights are at least 6.5-8 hours. It is close to the length of transcons, but still enough to make a difference.

The advent of the BBJ and A319LR are changing things across the Atlantic, though. I would expect to see many more such flights in the future.

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RE: Planes Used On Long Flights In America

Wed Apr 06, 2005 12:14 pm

Quoting BG777300ER (Thread starter):
I am asking this because it's not very comfortable sitting in a small A320 or A319 for 6 hours

It's not as bad as you think. In some cases, it has more room than a 757. The A320 family is quite comfortable.

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RE: Planes Used On Long Flights In America

Wed Apr 06, 2005 12:21 pm

DL likes to use the 767 on transcon runs out of ATL to such places as
SEA which I flew on a couple of weeks ago on a 763 in about 4.30 hrs
westbound. It was one of the better flight experiences I have had lately.
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RE: Planes Used On Long Flights In America

Wed Apr 06, 2005 12:42 pm

Doesn't Colombia Airlines still have still run a 741 from IAD to either LAX or SFO?
 
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RE: Planes Used On Long Flights In America

Wed Apr 06, 2005 12:48 pm

I know that CO flies many 738's from LAX to EWR, as well as 757s. Like others said, it all depends on time and route. During the weekdays, many businesspeople take the transcon flights, which is why you see smaller planes but greater frequency. It is nice to have transcon flights leaving almost at every hour.
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RE: Planes Used On Long Flights In America

Wed Apr 06, 2005 12:51 pm

To be honest.. on a comfort level I agree that the A320 family isn't uncomfortable at all, and in most cases, is just as comfortable as it's widebody counterparts. I've been much more comfortable in the A320 family than say the 767 family (it also depends on the airline's config). So, I think increased frequency on smaller planes is absolutely fine, comfort is not the issue here.
 
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RE: Planes Used On Long Flights In America

Wed Apr 06, 2005 1:05 pm

BG777300ER From Bulgaria, joined Mar 2005, 30 posts, RR: 0


Even big airlines like United (that have tons of 777s) use small A320s on their coast to coast flights.

UA use to fly 757's and 767 to east coast and still have quite a few flts.
When they began receiving A320's they would will up pax,mail, and freight, the A320 takes about 14,000 lbs. in the center tank, for that same load on a 757 took an extra 1200lbs, which made the bus perfect for those legs.
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RE: Planes Used On Long Flights In America

Wed Apr 06, 2005 1:22 pm

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 1):
East Coast to Europe flights are between 10-12 hours depending on the point of origin

Have you ever flown East Coast to Europe? It's eight hours, max.
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RE: Planes Used On Long Flights In America

Wed Apr 06, 2005 1:32 pm

The flight from CLT->MUC is about 10 hours.

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