latinaviation
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CO To Start EWR-New Delhi

Wed Apr 06, 2005 8:09 pm

Well this came as a surprise this morning. I was reading WSJ.com, which posted this under Airline News:

Continental Airlines Inc. (CAL) announced Wednesday plans for daily nonstop flights between India's capital New Delhi and New York, beginning Nov. 1.

A Continental Airlines statement said the decision is pending government approval.

The statement added thatflying nonstop will cut the travel time between the two destinations by two hours.

The airline plans to operate the 283-seat Boeing 777 on the route.

India's air traffic to foreign destinations is growing rapidly, helped by a fast-growing economy.



A quick Google search found this press release, issued in India, announcing the service:
http://www.businesswireindia.com/PressRelease.asp?b2mid=6996
 
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RE: CO To Start EWR-New Delhi

Wed Apr 06, 2005 8:13 pm

Nonstop! Wow, that is sweet. Way to go CO.
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RE: CO To Start EWR-New Delhi

Wed Apr 06, 2005 8:25 pm

Great route altough most of us on the forum thought it would be EWR-BOM as AC already opearates a non-stop between YYZ-DEL and it would make more sense to operate a non-stop service between North America and BOM
 
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RE: CO To Start EWR-New Delhi

Wed Apr 06, 2005 8:43 pm

Flying times will be approximately 15 hours, 50 minutes westbound and 13 hours, 55 minutes eastbound.

Nearly 16 hours in COs 777--how is their service in economy class for all their other longhaul flights,
I think 15.5 hrs is way too long
 
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RE: CO To Start EWR-New Delhi

Wed Apr 06, 2005 8:44 pm

CO 82, will depart EWR daily at 9:05 p.m. arriving at New Delhi at 9:30 p.m the next day. Flying times will be approximately 15 hours, 50 minutes westbound and 13 hours, 55 minutes eastbound.

CO 83 will depart New Delhi daily at 11:30 p.m., arriving at New York/Newark at 4:50 a.m. the next day.

Isnt 5am an inconvenient time for O&D pax especially to arrive into EWR from DEL!!! I know its excellent for onward connecting flights but for O&D passengers a 5am EWR arrival time isnt that attractive one bit!!!

Btw any payload restrictions for CO to face on both segments for flying this route nonstop? or is it payload free?

[Edited 2005-04-06 13:49:30]
 
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RE: CO To Start EWR-New Delhi

Wed Apr 06, 2005 9:15 pm

I think connections are more important, the CO flight to IAH from GRU gets in early like that as well.
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RE: CO To Start EWR-New Delhi

Wed Apr 06, 2005 9:16 pm

This may be a result of the rumored postponement of the LOS service. There is another thread about this topic.
 
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RE: CO To Start EWR-New Delhi

Wed Apr 06, 2005 9:21 pm

Cool....

I have never flown them, but at least from a network perspective CO is a very cool airlines. Slowly developing into a second Pan Am.

What are they like to fly with on longhaul business class? The same as the other US legacy carriers (AA, UA, DL), or better and thus more like some of the Europeans (BA,AF,LH) or even AustralAsians (CX,QF,SQ)? Lie flat seats in C? Catering? IFE? Cabin service?
 
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RE: CO To Start EWR-New Delhi

Wed Apr 06, 2005 9:25 pm

15 hours in a tube with rude f/a s and crap food.


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RE: CO To Start EWR-New Delhi

Wed Apr 06, 2005 9:26 pm

Quoting FraT (Reply 6):
This may be a result of the rumored postponement of the LOS service.

Doubt it. LOS was to be operated with a 767-200ER.
 
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RE: CO To Start EWR-New Delhi

Wed Apr 06, 2005 9:28 pm

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 8):
15 hours in a tube with rude f/a s and crap food.


God help them!

That's not the CO I know.
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RE: CO To Start EWR-New Delhi

Wed Apr 06, 2005 9:32 pm

Seems to me that CO is going to need more 777's in the not too distant future. With this route and the new China route, they'll need to downgrade other cities that are currently served by 777s.

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RE: CO To Start EWR-New Delhi

Wed Apr 06, 2005 9:48 pm

I hope now AA doesnt want to fly JFK-INDIA-JFK nonstop and rather concentrate on ORD-INDIA-ORD as there is more competition out of the NYC area and AA has a much better hub system at ORD than it does at JFK!!!

Though I think flying a B 772ER ORD-DEL-ORD will be a bit difficult with a full payload over the Himalayas etc.

Yes its unfortunate that BOM didnt get the CO flight...well now all the more reason for 9W to fly to JFK from BOM via CDG or BRU. Will this make 9W the fastest airline to fly from BOM to JFK and vice versa?
 
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RE: CO To Start EWR-New Delhi

Wed Apr 06, 2005 9:54 pm

Seems like CO likes to use its 777 to the limit !! Waouw !!

After EWR-HKG & EWR-NRT.

BTW is AC using the 345 on the YYZ-DEL route ?

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RE: CO To Start EWR-New Delhi

Wed Apr 06, 2005 10:03 pm

Quoting B4real (Reply 10):
That's not the CO I know.

Most of the comments about CO are rather negative, I'm afraid.

read them here


http://www.airlinequality.com/Forum/contl.htm
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RE: CO To Start EWR-New Delhi

Wed Apr 06, 2005 10:08 pm

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 4):
Isnt 5am an inconvenient time for O&D pax especially to arrive into EWR from DEL!!!

Add the time for immigration, customs and baggage retrieval plus the time to get to Manhattan - how is that not convenient for a 9 o'clock business meeting?

(And it's not like you would feel that you wake up at 4 am. The local time at your departure point is already afternoon...)
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RE: CO To Start EWR-New Delhi

Wed Apr 06, 2005 10:15 pm

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 4):
Isnt 5am an inconvenient time for O&D pax especially to arrive into EWR from DEL!!! I know its excellent for onward connecting flights but for O&D passengers a 5am EWR arrival time isnt that attractive one bit!!!

This isn't true. Flight 91 from TLV arrives in EWR at 5 a.m. And it is always packed. Someone else has said a South American arrival gets in that early as well.
 
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RE: CO To Start EWR-New Delhi

Wed Apr 06, 2005 10:15 pm

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 4):
CO 83 will depart New Delhi daily at 11:30 p.m., arriving at New York/Newark at 4:50 a.m. the next day.

Isnt 5am an inconvenient time for O&D pax especially to arrive into EWR from DEL!!! I know its excellent for onward connecting flights but for O&D passengers a 5am EWR arrival time isnt that attractive one bit!!!

So a 3:30 am departure from New Delhi with a 9:00 am arrival into EWR would be better????
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RE: CO To Start EWR-New Delhi

Wed Apr 06, 2005 10:29 pm

Some thoughts:

1. CO's longhaul 777 product in both cabins is good, and can compete effectively against its principal competitor (Air India).

2. IINM, the payload restrictions will be brutal on DEL-EWR, but that will hopefully be mitigated by the nonstop premium CO will charge.

3. I'd be surprised if AI didn't try to compete with a nonstop ex-NYC within a years' time.
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RE: CO To Start EWR-New Delhi

Wed Apr 06, 2005 10:39 pm

Here is a copy of the official press release:
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050406/daw007.html?.v=4
 
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RE: CO To Start EWR-New Delhi

Wed Apr 06, 2005 10:44 pm

I have flown AF,CO,US, and VS J class, and I like CO's best. VS was very nice, and I could see how some would prefer it. I'd say they were equal, the difference would be subjective. However this is VS flagship JFK-LHR, I find VS to be slightly less stellar on say LHR-IAD ,and poor ex-LGW.

I flew old AF (La Space 127) Disappointed , but it is all new now.

US was really F/P but since they were plummeting into BK it wasn't as good as CO's J, other than a true flat seat was nice.

My bro flys DL often and say while comparable BF is better than BE.

I think that website that was sited is mostly full of angery leisure flyers. I would get your info from flyertalk, they bitch forever about nothing getting comp upgrades, but rarely say much bad about the service once they are up there.


I haven't flown CO Y longhaul since the D10, that wasn't fun, but Y never is. I flew AF Y CDG-HKG and that was hell too.
 
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RE: CO To Start EWR-New Delhi

Wed Apr 06, 2005 10:47 pm

Haven't there been mentions in a few threads that a twin on this route would have to be upgraded with some sort of oxygen apparatus to make it safely over the Himalayas? I couldn't find the specific reference, but I would assume CO has this issue resolved in order to operate this route?
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RE: CO To Start EWR-New Delhi

Wed Apr 06, 2005 10:51 pm

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 14):
Most of the comments about CO are rather negative, I'm afraid.

Are you reading the same article that you quoted? Here are some of the comments from the link you provided within the last ten posts:

t was a very pleasant flight !! Flight Attendants were busy (they were one down due to illness) but were polite and efficient - and once you were polite back they rapidly warmed up and were friendly.

I am still very impressed by CO's economy product. Besides the fact that I am sitting in a premium seat in Economy because of my dad's mileage ticket and loyalty to CO, I couldn't ask for more. It exceeded even AA's service!

Now, I must admit that my expectations were not very high, but the staff pleasantly surprised me....and the service did not stop after arrival, I had a delightful check-in experience in Miami, FL

I continue to be impressed by Continental. The crew attitude on every flight I have taken of late (6) has been positive and interactive

Great service all around, announcements in Hebrew, English and Arabic. BusinessFirst is probably the best overseas business class service of all the US airlines. EWR may be one of the better US airports to transfer in.

Overall the service was good, food as palatable as airline food can be, FA's excellent. Changing aircraft at Newark remarkably simple - all at the excellent Terminal C

The FAs were kind and efficient to a person. I was traveling with two young children, and the FAs were very good to them. All four legs were on time and all luggage arrived. This was a very pleasant experience on Continental and I will fly them again on my next trip to Guatemala.

Yes, there were a couple of negative remarks, but to slag the entire airline when the vast majority of the remarks in the site you rely on are very positive seems to be irresponsible.

Have you your own experience with Continental?
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RE: CO To Start EWR-New Delhi

Wed Apr 06, 2005 10:58 pm

Is there any news on the service classes they will provide. They cannot expect anyone to sit in their normal economy class. Will they have a premium econonomy like SQ super long haul flight?

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RE: CO To Start EWR-New Delhi

Wed Apr 06, 2005 11:02 pm

Quoting Paul (Reply 23):
They cannot expect anyone to sit in their normal economy class.

It will be their standard 777 config. From their press release:

Economy class on the Continental 777 is also exceptionally comfortable and spacious in a 3-3-3 seating configuration with wide aisles. Every economy class passenger benefits from an individual seatback video system with eight channels of video, 20 channels of audio and up to 10 video games as well as an in-flight telephone with over-water capacity. The first few rows in the economy class also feature individual laptop computer outlets.
 
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RE: CO To Start EWR-New Delhi

Wed Apr 06, 2005 11:12 pm

Fianlly a nonstop from the NYC area! I've been thinking about visiting India for quite some time. This brings me one step closer. It will be interesting to see which European routes they'll switch to a a 764 since they're starting up so many new routes which require a 772, like the new EWR-PEK service.
 
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RE: CO To Start EWR-New Delhi

Wed Apr 06, 2005 11:13 pm

Quoting Avek00 (Reply 18):
1. CO's longhaul 777 product in both cabins is good, and can compete effectively against its principal competitor (Air India).

Air France
Austrian Airlines
British Airways
Emirates
KLM Royal Dutch Airlines
Lufthansa
Turkish Airlines
Virgin Atlantic Airways

all operate from NYC to DEL via Europe. But it also remains to be seen whether CO will actually do this - there have been many announcements and plans for India service in the past that went no where, so I'll believe it when a CO 777 actually takes off for DEL..
 
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RE: CO To Start EWR-New Delhi

Wed Apr 06, 2005 11:26 pm

Quoting Rmenon (Reply 26):
there have been many announcements and plans for India service in the past

I think it's a safe bet this time, because the specific schedule has been announced, and more importantly tickets are open for sale. Normally, they won't sell seats if it's not finalized.
 
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RE: CO To Start EWR-New Delhi

Wed Apr 06, 2005 11:28 pm

Way to go. Continental will show all other US carriers and Air India that they have an inferior product with odd arrival/departure times in India and two hours stuck in some sauerkraut airport in Europe.
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RE: CO To Start EWR-New Delhi

Wed Apr 06, 2005 11:28 pm

Quoting UAL747-600 (Reply 11):
Seems to me that CO is going to need more 777's in the not too distant future. With this route and the new China route, they'll need to downgrade other cities that are currently served by 777s.

I'm more of the opinion that the 777 on this route is more of a stop-gap until the 787 arrives.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 21):
Haven't there been mentions in a few threads that a twin on this route would have to be upgraded with some sort of oxygen apparatus to make it safely over the Himalayas? I couldn't find the specific reference, but I would assume CO has this issue resolved in order to operate this route?

As far as I understand it the issue with flying over the Hymalaias has nothing to do with twin vs. quad. It's the lack of emergency airports in certain Hymalaian regions that is the problem, and I don't think that will be an issue on this route.

Quoting Avek00 (Reply 18):
2. IINM, the payload restrictions will be brutal on DEL-EWR, but that will hopefully be mitigated by the nonstop premium CO will charge.

This may be a problem. Anyone who's ever travelled to India knows how much luggage Indians tend to carry.
 
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RE: CO To Start EWR-New Delhi

Wed Apr 06, 2005 11:39 pm

Quoting Incitatus (Reply 28):
Way to go. Continental will show all other US carriers and Air India that they have an inferior product with odd arrival/departure times in India

I'd say these new flights' times are oddball as well. Well timed for US connections, however.

Only thing I would do different is shift the whole party by 12 hours - so:

These are not the actual times, this is my armchair CEO version:
CO83 will depart New Delhi's Indira Gandhi International Airport daily at 11:30 a.m., arriving at New York/Newark at 4:50 p.m. the same day. The return flight, CO82, will depart New York/Newark daily at 9:05 a.m., arriving at New Delhi at 9:30 a.m. the next day. Flying times will be approximately 15 hours, 50 minutes westbound and 13 hours, 55 minutes eastbound


Many travelers to India have connections on Jet Airways - so their arrival times @ final destinations is much more reasonable. I would also expect the EWR connections are reasonably maintained.

Why not do this? This is my armchair CEO thought for the day Big grin
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RE: CO To Start EWR-New Delhi

Wed Apr 06, 2005 11:46 pm

I would say a fully loaded 777 taking off at 11:30am, at one of the hottest point of the day, as opposed to 9:30pm when it is much cooler outside, is not a good idea.
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RE: CO To Start EWR-New Delhi

Wed Apr 06, 2005 11:46 pm

Quoting Junction (Reply 27):

I think it's a safe bet this time, because the specific schedule has been announced, and more importantly tickets are open for sale. Normally, they won't sell seats if it's not finalized.

Junction - I had tried to book on continental.com and couldn't find service for dates in Nov/Dec. Where are you finding tickets for sale?
 
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RE: CO To Start EWR-New Delhi

Wed Apr 06, 2005 11:49 pm

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 4):
Isnt 5am an inconvenient time for O&D pax especially to arrive into EWR from DEL!!! I know its excellent for onward connecting flights but for O&D passengers a 5am EWR arrival time isnt that attractive one bit!!!

Actually, these are great timings. The arrival connects perfectly to the 0900h bank out of EWR for beyond connections and getting it in early AM also alleviates the crush of arrivals later and queues out the inbound Customs workload, not to mention the TSA issues they've had for some time in EWR.

I've heard about the LOS delay and believe it will be put on hold officially very soon; lot of government and Nigerian bureaucrat issues that need to be taken care of. And from what I understand, nothing takes care of it better than a stack of fat cash.
 
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RE: CO To Start EWR-New Delhi

Wed Apr 06, 2005 11:50 pm

pardon my geographic ignorance, but would a flight from the USA to DEL have to pass over the Himalayas at all? I thought the Himalayas were northeastern India towards Nepal? I'm probably wrong here, but thought I'd ask anyway...
 
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RE: CO To Start EWR-New Delhi

Wed Apr 06, 2005 11:53 pm

Quoting Flyguy1 (Reply 31):
I would say a fully loaded 777 taking off at 11:30am, at one of the hottest point of the day, as opposed to 9:30pm when it is much cooler outside, is not a good idea

Please elaborate...
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RE: CO To Start EWR-New Delhi

Wed Apr 06, 2005 11:56 pm

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 8):
15 hours in a tube with rude f/a s and crap food.


God help them!

That's true! CO has the rudest F/As I have ever seen. I flown CO on domestic sectors in the US and the service sucks..

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RE: CO To Start EWR-New Delhi

Thu Apr 07, 2005 12:09 am

B4real:
My point was, it is more conducive for a fully loaded airplane to depart in the cooler, night time hours. The heat can only be a deterrent.
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RE: CO To Start EWR-New Delhi

Thu Apr 07, 2005 12:12 am

Quoting Rmenon (Reply 32):
Where are you finding tickets for sale?

You have to go direct access into CO's internal res system to see the flights. Since it was just announced today the web site probably won't have another update until Saturday along with all the other systems, but you can also call CO directly to book.
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RE: CO To Start EWR-New Delhi

Thu Apr 07, 2005 12:14 am

The time of day issue is a definite factor for performance. That is exactly why SQ does EWR-SIN at night so that the takeoff performance can be better.
 
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RE: CO To Start EWR-New Delhi

Thu Apr 07, 2005 12:15 am

That is what I thought, from an efficiency standpoint, but I was not sure if you are saying that the a/c is not capable of running the route in such conditions.

I would think better times as I proposed would be very attractive to customers.
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RE: CO To Start EWR-New Delhi

Thu Apr 07, 2005 12:20 am

Quoting Junction (Reply 38):

You have to go direct access into CO's internal res system to see the flights. Since it was just announced today the web site probably won't have another update until Saturday along with all the other systems, but you can also call CO directly to book.
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RE: CO To Start EWR-New Delhi

Thu Apr 07, 2005 12:22 am

Quoting Himmat01 (Reply 36):
That's true! CO has the rudest F/As I have ever seen. I flown CO on domestic sectors in the US and the service sucks..

That's probably because they are so underpaid and had to reject the concession deal.  Wink
 
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RE: CO To Start EWR-New Delhi

Thu Apr 07, 2005 12:22 am

I finally found the thread I'd recalled which discussed the problems for CO to operate an EWR-DEL nonstop, even though it was in a thread about EWR-BOM.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eneral_aviation/read.main/1850234/

"CO has had trouble figuring out a way they could go non-stop, while avoiding the Himalayas."

"The range of the 777-200ER isn't the problem. The Himalayas are."

"I think that the JAA and the FAA are studying the options of ETOP twins over the Himalayas. The results of a joint study should be out in early 2005. Of course, the requirements - structural, operational, etc. - may make an ETOP trans-himalayan flight financially unviable."

"For all those that are wondering, twins regardless of their ETOPS status are currently not allowed to fly over the Himalayas."

"The main reason to avoid the Himalayas is the need to add additional portable oxygen in the way of PO2 bottles to the passenger cabin. In the event of a decompression over the Hims, and aircraft cannot descend to below 10,000ft for quite a while, therefore the aircraft's O2 is not sufficient."

"In the next few years, we will probably see narrow trans-Himalayan airways develop that are authorized for twinjet operations and that can support a lower ceiling without terrain issues in the event of engine failure."

"EWR to BOM goes directly over NE Canada, Iceland, then mainland Scandanavia, over Latvia, the Eastern Ukraine, over Iran and then off Iran's coast over the Indian Ocean and then would land coming in from the coast to Bombay...I DON'T SEE HOW THAT IS OVER ANY SUBSTANTIAL TERRAIN. Perhaps you are thinking of DEL not BOM?"


It never was really resolved in that thread if EWR-DEL would have a viable routing, if it would go over the Himalayas, if a 777 could operate the route with the inherent restrictions, etc.
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RE: CO To Start EWR-New Delhi

Thu Apr 07, 2005 12:25 am

I flew CO Hong Kong to Newark (and back) in economy and it was OK. Compared to SQ and CX I don't see much difference in U.S. carriers.

CO will have nonstops to Hong Kong, Beijing, Tokyo, Tel Aviv, Delhi, Sao Paolo, and eventually Lagos. Among others. How cool.

By destinations, this is becoming the most impressive U.S. hub.

Perhaps someday they'll add Sydney, Tierra del Fuego, and Johannesburg.
 
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RE: CO To Start EWR-New Delhi

Thu Apr 07, 2005 12:33 am

I too recall the threads related to extra passenger oxygen for traversal of that terrain. Airbus was working on a solution which involved on-board oxygen generators (OBOGS). I wonder whether Boeing is working on a similar approach ?


[EDIT: Another thread on this: Twins Over The Himalayas? (by Timz Jan 24 2005 in Civil Aviation) ]

[Edited 2005-04-06 17:41:18]
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RE: CO To Start EWR-New Delhi

Thu Apr 07, 2005 12:34 am

Ok some of your points make sense regarding the 5am arrival time into EWR concerning being in Manhattan etc by 9am BUT I dont think so a majority of the O&D pax on this route (DEL-EWR) especially will be rushing off to a business meeting in downtown NYC...they will most likely be picked up from the airport by someone and to pick up someone between 6am-7am isnt all that convenient one bit considering the early morning rush hour + the length of the drive from a person's house/apt to EWR + waking up at 4am to be at the airport on time.

For connections and business meetings agreed the flight timings are fine BUT for pax who have to get picked up from EWR by their relatives living in the NYC-Newark area, I dont find it convenient.
 
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RE: CO To Start EWR-New Delhi

Thu Apr 07, 2005 12:45 am

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 46):
BUT for pax who have to get picked up from EWR by their relatives living in the NYC-Newark area, I dont find it convenient.

But wouldn't you be more then happy to spring out of bed at any time to be able to go meet up with your loved one's  Smile? (Just kidding)
 
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RE: CO To Start EWR-New Delhi

Thu Apr 07, 2005 12:51 am

What's the big deal on arriving at 4.50am? Far East flights into London arrive around 5.00am and some eastcoast flights arrive around 6.00-6.30am. No big deal.

Good news though. This certainly makes a lot more sense than LOS. Never understood the reasoning for starting LOS. (Maybe someone can enlighten me).
 
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RE: CO To Start EWR-New Delhi

Thu Apr 07, 2005 12:58 am

WestWing:

Yes, I recalled that thread too ... and that no one had an answer for your question of:
"Boeing's 777 family range charts which claim to be for full passenger payload, typical mission rules, airways allowances included, 85% winds do not appear to show the effect of the "Himalayan restriction". According to these, even the -200ER can make it from JFK to BOM. Why is that ?"
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