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Taca Traffic Up 20%

Thu Apr 07, 2005 11:23 pm

Intersting articles, all in Spanish sorry.

http://www.elsalvador.com/noticias/2005/04/07/negocios/neg8.asp

http://www.laprensagrafica.com/economia/168113.asp

BUt basically:

*Recent price reductions have worked. On average reductions have been

El Salvador -33%
Guatemala -35%
Honduras - 56%
Nicaragua - 45%
Costa Rica - 48%

*New routes:

El Salvador - Toronto
Guatemala _ washington DC
Lima - Arequipa

* 2 A321 will be delivered in October

* 90% ontime arrivals has been achieved - Goal is 95%

* Waiting on tax issues for crew flying over US soil. Any know more on this?

Thought i'd share.  Wink
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RE: Taca Traffic Up 20%

Thu Apr 07, 2005 11:38 pm

Interesting, also predicting no profits in 2005 due to oil prices!!.

They claim they will have the newest fleet in the Americas this year again
"Esto marca un proceso importantísimo porque nos permite decir que somos la flota más nueva de América”, aseguró.""

Copa has the newest fleet when the older A-320 get replaced TACA will reclaim this title but not this year.
 
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RE: Taca Traffic Up 20%

Thu Apr 07, 2005 11:48 pm

Question: How do you categorize fleet newness?

Technically a 1 plane operation with a a new plane is the newest fleet. Right?
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RE: Taca Traffic Up 20%

Fri Apr 08, 2005 12:07 am

Age of a fleet can´t decided by 1 plane. Number of planes divided by the age of each plane tells you the average fleet age. Some of TACA's A-320 already have 7 years. Copa's fleet replacement started in 2000-2001. Both are great airlines and proudly Central America's 2 largest airlines have completed their fleet renewal in the recent past, and both are expanding TACA with more A-319's and 320's plus the first A-321 in Latin America. and Copa with the EMB-190 that start to arrive later this year.

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RE: Taca Traffic Up 20%

Fri Apr 08, 2005 12:16 am

Some time ago there were articles in the Mexican press linking TACA to an Mexican investment company (led by Pedro Aspe) with the goal to start a low cost airline in Mexico. Perhaps this project was incorporated in their recent new aircraft order? Any news from Central America on this?
 
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RE: Taca Traffic Up 20%

Fri Apr 08, 2005 2:07 am

TA felt the pressure, and they knew what to do... Their central american monopoly is starting to crumble... The fare modification is the ONLY reason their traffic is up...

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RE: Taca Traffic Up 20%

Fri Apr 08, 2005 4:16 am

Quoting MGA (Reply 5):
The fare modification is the ONLY reason their traffic is up...

Yup. What is the problem with that? How else would you have done it?
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RE: Taca Traffic Up 20%

Fri Apr 08, 2005 4:42 am

Mt99.

I am simply implying that their service is getting worst and worst. I had to watch star trek insurection or some crap like that on my last flight. And that was business class...

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RE: Taca Traffic Up 20%

Fri Apr 08, 2005 5:10 am

Quoting MGA (Reply 7):
I am simply implying that their service is getting worst and worst.

"Worse and worse" = cheaper. Simple.

Its a state of the entire industry, not limited to 1 ariline or the other.

I had to suffer through bad movies on TA as well. DO they have different movies in Business Class?

But, they were the cheapest. I was not going to pay an additional $200 for a movie.
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RE: Taca Traffic Up 20%

Fri Apr 08, 2005 6:09 am

We're talking about an international, supposingly full service airline... we pay a lot of money for the tickets and TA offers almost an LCC product.

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RE: Taca Traffic Up 20%

Fri Apr 08, 2005 6:16 am

Quoting MGA (Reply 9):
pay a lot of money for the tickets and TA offers almost an LCC product.

LCC at LCC prices, with the new reductions. whats your point?

Service expectation should change whe price changes.

Then, the routes are so short. You cant go on without food for 3 hours?

How many "full service airlines" provide you a "full service" nowadays?
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RE: Taca Traffic Up 20%

Fri Apr 08, 2005 6:27 am

SAL-LAX is 5 hours... tickets go for about 400 normally(not LCC prices), same as UA and AA.

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RE: Taca Traffic Up 20%

Fri Apr 08, 2005 6:30 am

Quoting MGA (Reply 11):
same as UA and AA.

Do they provide meals? (serious question...i dont know)

You get hungry at 3AM?
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RE: Taca Traffic Up 20%

Fri Apr 08, 2005 6:31 am

Quoting MGA (Reply 9):
we pay a lot of money for the tickets and TA offers almost an LCC product.

Compared to which one?
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RE: Taca Traffic Up 20%

Fri Apr 08, 2005 6:33 am

ok i did research.. AA website says that they do.

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 13):
Compared to which one?

Excellen point.

How do you know what an LCC would charge for LAX-SAL?
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RE: Taca Traffic Up 20%

Fri Apr 08, 2005 6:42 am

Can I ask an "outsider" question? As far as I know, TA operates a dual-hub strategy: SAL and LIM, correct? What about SJO, could it be consider the third hub? Why SAL and not MGA or GUA? Wouldn't it make sense to operate a single-hub like CM does with PTY? What could be the hub in case TA would operate under a one-hub system?

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RE: Taca Traffic Up 20%

Fri Apr 08, 2005 6:45 am

exactly... they charge the same as the other airlines which we know are not LCC. Compare to other markets. Try Air Madrid, Jetblue, etc... see the diference?

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RE: Taca Traffic Up 20%

Fri Apr 08, 2005 6:47 am

SJO is a HUB too

I thinkk it work like this:


SAL - Hub towards north
SJO - Hub toward south
LIM - South America Hub

TACA's headquarters are in SAL.. SAL offers a big modern airport, with tons of space for expansion. GUA is extremely small. dotn know bout MGA airport. But i think economic conditions also favor a hub in SAL when compared to MGA

SJO - pretty obvuous why it is a hub, huge tourism trafiic.
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RE: Taca Traffic Up 20%

Fri Apr 08, 2005 6:48 am

Quoting MGA (Reply 16):
Compare to other markets. Try Air Madrid, Jetblue, etc... see the diference?

Do they fly LAX-SAL.. See? thats our point.

You are comparing apples to oranges
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RE: Taca Traffic Up 20%

Fri Apr 08, 2005 6:53 am

Mt99:

I am basing it on the fact that they charge the same as non-LCC carriers and offer an inferior product.

MGA

P.S. MGA was not category 1 so it could not become a HUB. The main reason SAL is their HUB is because there is a huge amount of salvadorians living out of the country, specialli in Los Angeles.
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RE: Taca Traffic Up 20%

Fri Apr 08, 2005 6:53 am

Hardiwv: SAL is oriented as a HUB to passengers flying from or to Central America from Mexico, USA and CANADA and CUBA. SJO is oriented to Passengers to South America from/to Central America. and LIM as as South American HUB. I also Guess that neither SAL or SJO would be able to handle all the TACA traffic as a single hub.

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RE: Taca Traffic Up 20%

Fri Apr 08, 2005 7:03 am

MGA, Mt99, HR001:

Tks for the information about TA three-hub strategy and the HQ in SAL (I thought it was SJO). I myself would think that it makes far more economic sense if TA keeps only one or maximum two hubs...

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 17):
TACA's headquarters are in SAL.. SAL offers a big modern airport, with tons of space for expansion. GUA is extremely small. dotn know bout MGA airport.

Tks for the info. MGA airport is also undergoing renovation, and the arrival area is already brand new and nice.

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RE: Taca Traffic Up 20%

Fri Apr 08, 2005 7:04 am

Quoting MGA (Reply 16):
Try Air Madrid, Jetblue, etc... see the diference?

Did you ever fly Air Madrid sometime?

They charge you (around) 15 euros for the food (in coach). Not Iberia. And I´m talking in their route MAD/SJO and viceversa.
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RE: Taca Traffic Up 20%

Fri Apr 08, 2005 7:23 am

Quoting MGA (Reply 5):
Their central american monopoly is starting to crumble

Which monopoly? It´s a duopoly (along with CM).
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RE: Taca Traffic Up 20%

Fri Apr 08, 2005 8:00 am

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 22):
They charge you (around) 15 euros for the food (in coach). Not Iberia. And I´m talking in their route MAD/SJO and viceversa.

Thats why there is a diference in ticket price of about $200 compared to IB...LCC-Full service

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 23):
Which monopoly? It´s a duopoly (along with CM).

You are right. Now it is a duopoly. The monopoly has already crumbled. CM until now is offering conections to LAX, JFK, MIA etc... and bought those nice looking NG's.

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RE: Taca Traffic Up 20%

Fri Apr 08, 2005 8:18 am

Quoting MGA (Reply 24):
You are right. Now it is a duopoly. The monopoly has already crumbled. CM until now is offering conections to LAX, JFK, MIA etc... and bought those nice looking NG's.

It´s a duopoly since long time ago. Those NG are really nice. And just wait for the brand new A321s this October.
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RE: Taca Traffic Up 20%

Fri Apr 08, 2005 8:48 am

TACAA320:
All the conections I mentioned are fairly new, considering they use to dominate the Central America-LAX, MIA and JFK routes until a couple of years ago..... Well anyways, I am pretty excited about the 321's. Do you think we'll see them on the LAX-SAL run?

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RE: Taca Traffic Up 20%

Fri Apr 08, 2005 10:26 am

Quoting MGA (Reply 26):
Do you think we'll see them on the LAX-SAL run?

Probably yes. More seats, more business.
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RE: Taca Traffic Up 20%

Fri Apr 08, 2005 10:41 pm

Does anyone know what is the minimum flight time for Taca to distribute headphones instead of a cabin-filling audio programme?
 
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RE: Taca Traffic Up 20%

Fri Apr 08, 2005 11:45 pm

Quoting MGA (Reply 19):
I am basing it on the fact that they charge the same as non-LCC carriers and offer an inferior product

Again. How much would an LCC charge for SAL-LAX? You cannot comapare the prices charged by UA/AA/TA with fictional airline.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 21):
MGA airport is also undergoing renovation, and the arrival area is already brand new and nice

It can be the nicest most beautiful airport in the world, but if there is no traffic, it cant be a HUB.

Also Aeroman is El Salvador. It has always been there. So it makes sense to have a hub there.
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RE: Taca Traffic Up 20%

Sat Apr 09, 2005 1:05 am

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 29):
Again. How much would an LCC charge for SAL-LAX? You cannot comapare the prices charged by UA/AA/TA with fictional airline.

hahaha. You are saying it yourself! you are including them in the same category! The carrpy service offered by TA is not the same as UA/AA but they DO charge the same... I dont need a fictional airline to compare. TA is as closs of an LCC as is gonna get! Come on, Let go of you Salvadorian pride and admit it.

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RE: Taca Traffic Up 20%

Sat Apr 09, 2005 1:13 am

Quoting CptGirmayTesfa (Reply 28):
Does anyone know what is the minimum flight time for Taca to distribute headphones instead of a cabin-filling audio programme?

Honestly, I don`t know.

Quoting MGA (Reply 30):
The carrpy service offered by TA is not the same as UA/AA but they DO charge the same...

With all due respect MGA. If you have several options between LAX and MGA, AND HATE so much TA, why not avoid it, why not stop flying them and start using AA or UA or CM? Is that simple!

That´s what I do do when I hate one. I simply avoid it (if it is possible of course).
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RE: Taca Traffic Up 20%

Sat Apr 09, 2005 1:16 am

Quoting MGA (Reply 30):
Let go of you Salvadoran pride and admit it.

I really don´t understand your sentence. But this is not a matter of Salvadoran pride. It`s a matter of Central American (100 % pure) pride. Without any U.S. carrier back up or support. Just Central American pride. With all their defects.
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RE: Taca Traffic Up 20%

Sat Apr 09, 2005 1:21 am

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 31):
With all due respect MGA. If you have several options between LAX and MGA, AND HATE so much TA, why not avoid it, why not stop flying them and start using AA or UA or CM? Is that simple!

I am HORIZONTE. Dont get me wrong, I dont hate TA. Unfotunattly its as close as Nicaragua gets to having a real airline. I always get a decent seat, free sandwich and keep a good schedule. I have never met somebody (salvadorians, costa ricans, nicaraguans, etc) That have had something good to say about TA. Trust me, I defend TA as much as you do. But a reality is a reality. If I hated them, I wouldnt have miles up the ying-yang! Big grin

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RE: Taca Traffic Up 20%

Sat Apr 09, 2005 1:29 am

Quoting MGA (Reply 33):
I have never met somebody (salvadorians, costa ricans, nicaraguans, etc) That have had something good to say about TA.

add Hondurans To it. TACA offers us as you say a decent seat, a clean and young aircraft BUT and I stress It BUT most on board talk about TACA did this did that to me to my friend etc, etc. Weird isn´t it?
 
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RE: Taca Traffic Up 20%

Sat Apr 09, 2005 1:41 am

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 32):
I really don´t understand your sentence. But this is not a matter of Salvadoran pride. It`s a matter of Central American (100 % pure) pride. Without any U.S. carrier back up or support. Just Central American pride. With all their defects.

I'll take that. Its true. as i said in reply 33, Its as close as Nicaragua is Gonna get to a real airline... But Salvadorians seem to take TA representing them only. MGA, GUA, SAP, TGU are all TA focus cities, although all our airlines got bought out... I apologize if I sounded offensive, but it was not my intention. I se it as a debate of opinions.

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RE: Taca Traffic Up 20%

Sat Apr 09, 2005 1:49 am

Quoting MGA (Reply 30):
carrpy service offered by TA is not the same as UA/AA but they DO charge the same

I havent flown enough those routes with the different airlines. So i am going to give you the benefit of the doubt when refering to service.

If it were THAT much bad and THAT much diffrent, then their traffic would have contracted instead of increased by 20%. So obvioulsy it seems like you are in the minority. They would be downgrading to A319 instead of upgrading to A321's.

Quoting MGA (Reply 33):
I have never met somebody (salvadorians, costa ricans, nicaraguans, etc) That have had something good to say about TA

I have my own theories about that kind of stuff. I think it is a endemic problem thoughout Central America, and it is that we automatically assume that OUR stuff is crap. Its a lack of pride in ourselves as people.

If you see a Nicaraguan shoe, next to an Italian shoe in the mall in Managua. same price... which one would you choose. We fail to think that Italians can (and do) produce as crappy things as us.

Quoting MGA (Reply 30):
You are saying it yourself! you are including them in the same category!

That category as you said earlier is "full service airlines." I wasnt awar that TA had declared it self a LCC.

Quoting MGA (Reply 30):
Let go of you Salvadorian pride and admit it

Dont even get me started on who should be proud of what.
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RE: Taca Traffic Up 20%

Sat Apr 09, 2005 1:51 am

Quoting MGA (Reply 30):
hahaha. You are saying it yourself! you are including them in the same category! The carrpy service offered by TA is not the same as UA/AA but they DO charge the same... I dont need a fictional airline to compare. TA is as closs of an LCC as is gonna get! Come on, Let go of you Salvadorian pride and admit it.

I just did a research at: taca.com., aa.com and copaair.com, flying from LAX to MGA on May 1st. coming back to LAX on the 15th.

Here are the results:

CM: 999,15
AA: 887,15
TA: 779,15

All stated in US Dollars.

I know MGA what are you talking about: service. But the so called free meals on board are not really free. You PAID for them in the ticket, or anywhere else.

I went to Santiago with ... they offered "so called free meals on board". You need a gallon on water to swallow it, and a couple of Alka Seltzers for the indigestion. Many passenger don`t even eat it. Usually, the free meals on board, believe me, is pure crap.
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RE: Taca Traffic Up 20%

Sat Apr 09, 2005 1:55 am

Correction to my previous post.

TA US$737,15
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RE: Taca Traffic Up 20%

Sat Apr 09, 2005 2:14 am

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 36):
it were THAT much bad and THAT much diffrent, then their traffic would have contracted instead of increased by 20%. So obvioulsy it seems like you are in the minority. They would be downgrading to A319 instead of upgrading to A321's.

If AA would be the one flying 4 times a day LAX-SAL, and offered the conections theyre market would be up to. Trust me, its not the TA service people are after, Its the crazy sales they have once in a while and the decent conections. I know what you are talking about when you refer to the Central American pride issue, but i have heard all kinds of bad things from many different people, I have have been a victim and seen it with my own eyes...I flew them so much that I knwo what to expect and not tick them off.

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RE: Taca Traffic Up 20%

Sat Apr 09, 2005 6:01 am

Quoting MGA (Reply 39):
Trust me, its not the TA service people are after, Its the crazy sales they have once in a while and the decent conections.

Excatly. But you seem to be after first run movies and free filet mignon to be served in coach.

Can u have it all? crazy sales, decent connections. movies, fine dining? Keep dreaming, and keep complaining. Its not happening.

Quoting MGA (Reply 39):
I have have been a victim

I have been a victim more often using AA than TA. "victim" is a relative term
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RE: Taca Traffic Up 20%

Sat Apr 09, 2005 5:00 pm

Quoting MGA (Reply 9):
We're talking about an international, supposingly full service airline... we pay a lot of money for the tickets and TA offers almost an LCC product.

Yup....its a disgrace to those that have to take code shared flights with TACA. When coming from Europe you pay a full fare ticket and cannot take advantage of eventual reductions in TA 's fares. Thus, its disgraceful since you end up in an airline that offers you an LCC product! The worse with TA is their red eye flights towrds the US which arrive at 3am...now I'm sorry that's a bit too extreme !

Its a shame our airline cannot become higher class and no wonder why it lacks recognition
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RE: Taca Traffic Up 20%

Sun Apr 10, 2005 12:55 am

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 41):
Yup....its a disgrace to those that have to take code shared flights with TACA. When coming from Europe you pay a full fare ticket and cannot take advantage of eventual reductions in TA 's fares

Theni ts not TACA's fault. Its the european companies that AGREED witrh TACA to code share. What u are saying doesnt make any sense.

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 41):
The worse with TA is their red eye flights towrds the US which arrive at 3am...now I'm sorry that's a bit too extreme !

True. But hey, every little things help to bring costs down. Besides it doest seem to stop people taking those flights.
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RE: Taca Traffic Up 20%

Mon Apr 11, 2005 3:34 am

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 42):
Theni ts not TACA's fault. Its the european companies that AGREED witrh TACA to code share. What u are saying doesnt make any sense.

Thats true... Those Europeans must get a kick out of watching "Necessary roughness"(1990) and paying for a 6 buck sandiwich combo! But hey, thats what they wanted. Who knows if IB actually knew what they were selling...

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 41):
Its a shame our airline cannot become higher class and no wonder why it lacks recognition

The thing with TA is they loose a problem to gain another... (at least the passengers see it that way). Their changes are only based on their interests...

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RE: Taca Traffic Up 20%

Mon Apr 11, 2005 4:44 am

About MGA -

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 29):
It can be the nicest most beautiful airport in the world, but if there is no traffic, it cant be a HUB

Yes, MGA is going to be a very nice airport, just fix the parking and add a pedestrian overpass to that airport hotel. After renovations, still with 6-7 gates, it'll be far from offering the facitilites of a hub.
I happened to be there the day the Air Transat A330 arrives from YUL and for some reason the plane had to be left in the middle of the apron.
Those telescopic gangways at MGA don't work for widebodies?

About TACA Centralamerican pride -

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 32):
Without any U.S. carrier back up or support. Just Central American pride. With all their defects.

AA has his hands very deep into TA, sometimes I think TACA just follows orders from some people in DFW.
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RE: Taca Traffic Up 20%

Mon Apr 11, 2005 5:03 am

Quoting MAC1 (Reply 4):
Some time ago there were articles in the Mexican press linking TACA to an Mexican investment company (led by Pedro Aspe) with the goal to start a low cost airline in Mexico.

Interesting MAC1. I had never heard anything about TA possibly linking with Protego but I will try to see if I found anything about it.
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RE: Taca Traffic Up 20%

Mon Apr 11, 2005 5:46 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 44):
AA has his hands very deep into TA, sometimes I think TACA just follows orders from some people in DFW.

First time I heard that. AA is not even a TA's shareholder.

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 32):
It`s a matter of Central American (100 % pure) pride. Without any U.S. carrier back up or support. Just Central American pride.

What I mean, is that only Central American investors are in Taca today [who knows tomorrow]. That's the pride what I'm talking about. In a few words, no foreign airlines behind. Not even AA...  Wink

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RE: Taca Traffic Up 20%

Mon Apr 11, 2005 9:35 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 44):
About MGA -

About Me??? Big grin

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 44):
AA has his hands very deep into TA, sometimes I think TACA just follows orders from some people in DFW.

Give us some more info on that... For what I know, TA and AA codeshare with each other... If anything, TA tips AA for good routes they are already overcroded in (thay codeshare some SAL and SJO routes)

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RE: Taca Traffic Up 20%

Mon Apr 11, 2005 11:40 am

Quoting MGA (Reply 47):
Give us some more info on that... For what I know, TA and AA codeshare with each other... If anything, TA tips AA for good routes they are already overcroded in (thay codeshare some SAL and SJO routes)

MGA

Aside the codeshare between AA and TA, the rest is pure speculation, without any ground.

Even more, their liveries don't look alike like some others in the market.
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RE: Taca Traffic Up 20%

Tue Apr 12, 2005 12:14 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 44):
AA has his hands very deep into TA, sometimes I think TACA just follows orders from some people in DFW.

Just because someother else receive orders from somewhere in TX?
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