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How Come There Is No US Airways Club In FLL?

Sat Apr 09, 2005 12:24 pm

How come there is no US Airways club in FLL? Are they currently building one? If not, are they going to build one?

Also, do first class passengers get a pass to the Club?

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RE: How Come There Is No US Airways Club In FLL?

Sat Apr 09, 2005 12:29 pm

Quoting IslipWN (Thread starter):
Also, do first class passengers get a pass to the Club?

Sure for $250-350/year...

Quoting IslipWN (Thread starter):
Are they currently building one? If not, are they going to build one?

Probably not.. FLL is more of a leisure destination than business destination.. they probably think it is not needed..
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RE: How Come There Is No US Airways Club In FLL?

Sat Apr 09, 2005 12:35 pm

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 1):
Probably not.. FLL is more of a leisure destination than business destination.. they probably think it is not needed..

Leisure travelers don't fly to Guatemala City and Kingston.

They aren't building one because there is no room. They did express interest in building one. FLL is not a high yielding airport, but the Lauderdale area is actually were the majority of Miami's local largest companies are located - Office Depot, AutoNation, TriArc, Citrix. It has both a Delta Crown Club and a Continental President's Club. It's not as heavily leisure dependent as people may think. Fares are low because of compieition, but that doesn't mean business travelers don't frequent the airport.
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RE: How Come There Is No US Airways Club In FLL?

Sat Apr 09, 2005 12:39 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
Fares are low because of compieition, but that doesn't mean business travelers don't frequent the airport.

I didn't say there were no business travelers.. what I was saying is that the number of leisure travelers outnumber the business travelers. I know there are a lot of business travelers in FLL.. they fly FLL rather into MIA because it cost more to fly into MIA than it does to fly to FLL and get a rental car to drive the 30 minutes to MIA...
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RE: How Come There Is No US Airways Club In FLL?

Sat Apr 09, 2005 12:44 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
It's not as heavily leisure dependent as people may think. Fares are low because of compieition, but that doesn't mean business travelers don't frequent the airport.

The same can be said of New Orleans. Reality is different from perception in many instances.
 
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RE: How Come There Is No US Airways Club In FLL?

Sat Apr 09, 2005 12:59 pm

It just surprises me because they just added all of those flights!
 
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RE: How Come There Is No US Airways Club In FLL?

Sat Apr 09, 2005 1:26 pm

Maybe there is no US Airways Club at FLL because US management doesn't really believe there will ba a US, soon?

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RE: How Come There Is No US Airways Club In FLL?

Sat Apr 09, 2005 1:38 pm

LOL! Thats a good one!


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RE: How Come There Is No US Airways Club In FLL?

Sat Apr 09, 2005 2:58 pm

Quoting IslipWN (Thread starter):
How come there is no US Airways club in FLL?

Cost, clubs are closing not opening in an effort to cut cost.

Quoting IslipWN (Thread starter):
Are they currently building one? If not, are they going to build one?

No, they are not currently building one. The plan was to build a club in an area that is currently used by TSA. I won't really go into where the area is because of security purposes but it's not far from the US ticket counter.

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RE: How Come There Is No US Airways Club In FLL?

Sat Apr 09, 2005 3:10 pm

Hang on a tick.

I thought that US Airways was changing its business model to become an LCC like JetBlue.

if that's so, why would they need a club?

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Sat Apr 09, 2005 4:23 pm

Quoting Mariner (Reply 9):
I thought that US Airways was changing its business model to become an LCC like JetBlue.

if that's so, why would they need a club?

I know what you mean but US gets a lot of business travelers going into places like DCA that would like to use a club for a mix of reasons.

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RE: How Come There Is No US Airways Club In FLL?

Sat Apr 09, 2005 4:35 pm

Quoting Hawk44 (Reply 10):
but US gets a lot of business travelers going into places like DCA that would like to use a club for a mix of reasons.

I'm sure that's true, Hawk. I'd be equally sure that JetBlue (for example) gets a lot of business travellers going into places like IAD that would like to use a club, too.

But, with JetBlue, they can't. And there is a strong argument to say that if you're going to be LCC, then you don't have clubs, which cost money.

Now - it can work. Perhaps. Virgin Blue in Australia has airport clubs, The Blue Room, but they charge for entrance, so that the Blue Room pays its way.

Or should pay its way. Virgin Blue has never broken out the costs (to my knowledge) so I dont know.

My point is only that US Airways should either be an LCC (like JetBliue) as they have said, or just a major paying lower wages than before.

I'm not sure how they can have it both ways.  Smile

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RE: How Come There Is No US Airways Club In FLL?

Sat Apr 09, 2005 6:25 pm

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 3):
they fly FLL rather into MIA because it cost more to fly into MIA than it does to fly to FLL and get a rental car to drive the 30 minutes to MIA..

No, they fly into FLL because they are doing business in Broward County.

The $30-$50 fare premium at MIA isn't a big deal to a business traveler.
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RE: How Come There Is No US Airways Club In FLL?

Sat Apr 09, 2005 9:05 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12):
The $30-$50 fare premium at MIA isn't a big deal to a business traveler.

Ohhhkay! If you say so.. I'm pretty sure that the $30-50 fare difference is a pretty big deal indeed. From my experience, I have seen quite a few MIA bound passengers stop in FLL to get a renal car and drive to MIA. But if you say so, then okay...

Even from RDU, the roundtrip MIA fare is averaged at $300 while FLL is averaged at $218.. I think that to a busines, a $82 difference will make a BIG difference...

PVD.. MIA $300, FLL $230
BOS.. MIA $282, FLL $260
CMH.. MIA $302, FLL $256
SAN.. MIA $440, FLL $298

All figures checked from faremeasure which also showed that FLL had significantly more passengers than MIA. So business travelers MUST be travelling through FLL to get to MIA (as I believe, but can't confirm, that MIA gets most of the international traffic who don't care about price as much as domesticate travellers).
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RE: How Come There Is No US Airways Club In FLL?

Sun Apr 10, 2005 12:44 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 13):
Even from RDU, the roundtrip MIA fare is averaged at $300 while FLL is averaged at $218.. I think that to a busines, a $82 difference will make a BIG difference...

To a small business, yes, of course. To a big business, no, that price difference does not matter.

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 13):
(as I believe, but can't confirm, that MIA gets most of the international traffic who don't care about price as much as domesticate travellers).

MIA gets roughly 10x the international traffic that FLL does - roughly 15M versus FLL's roughly 1.5M.
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Sun Apr 10, 2005 12:51 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14):
MIA gets roughly 10x the international traffic that FLL does - roughly 15M versus FLL's roughly 1.5M.

On that we agree.. MIA is a big international hub.. though some of MIA's domesticate flights are for O&D, most of MIA's traffic is to funnel traffic to international flights.. most of FLL traffic is for O&D for the FLL & MIA area..
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Sun Apr 10, 2005 12:54 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 15):
On that we agree.. MIA is a big international hub.. though some of MIA's domesticate flights are for O&D, most of MIA's traffic is to funnel traffic to international flights.. most of FLL traffic is for O&D for the FLL & MIA area..

Yes, exactly. And if it were not for business travelers (and a few Miami residents who pay the premium not to drag themselves out to FLL, like me), MIA would have almost no domestic O&D.
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RE: How Come There Is No US Airways Club In FLL?

Sun Apr 10, 2005 1:11 am

The concourse that US currently uses used to belong to Eastern. Eastern had one of their Ionosphere Clubs at FLL for years located just before the entrance to Conc F. It was really quite nice and very busy even back then. Sadly, this space is now occupied by the airport and is used for special events or something like that. I bet if US pushed hard enough (or AA for that matter) this space could once again be used as an airport club.
 
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Sun Apr 10, 2005 1:17 am

Now - it can work. Perhaps. Virgin Blue in Australia has airport clubs, The Blue Room, but they charge for entrance, so that the Blue Room pays its way.

And that's different than the US Clubs exactly how?  Yeah sure
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Sun Apr 10, 2005 1:50 am

Quoting A330323X (Reply 18):
Now - it can work. Perhaps. Virgin Blue in Australia has airport clubs, The Blue Room, but they charge for entrance, so that the Blue Room pays its way.

And that's different than the US Clubs exactly how?

The "Blue Rooms" are a different sort of offering - when you pay the entrance/membership fee, you get access to the lounge, computer equipment, and (I think) non-alcoholic beverages, but the bar, massages, food, etc. all cost extra. The impression I get is that they're meant to be a true stand-alone business, just like any other airport bar, etc. The basic lounge/tech setup isn't a bad deal at all for only A$5 for a day pass.

OTOH, the annual fee for the US (and UA, AA, etc.) clubs isn't really intended to fully cover the cost of the club and make a profit. The club rooms are mainly there as a perk/marketing tool, expecially for international Bus & First Class passengers who get to use them free.
 
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RE: How Come There Is No US Airways Club In FLL?

Sun Apr 10, 2005 1:58 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
actually were the majority of Miami's local largest companies are located - Office Depot,

Being technical here, but Office Depot's HQ is closer to PBI.
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RE: How Come There Is No US Airways Club In FLL?

Sun Apr 10, 2005 2:23 am

Hey...I've never heard of faremeasure. Its a pretty decent site!


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RE: How Come There Is No US Airways Club In FLL?

Sun Apr 10, 2005 2:42 am

The "Blue Rooms" are a different sort of offering - when you pay the entrance/membership fee, you get access to the lounge, computer equipment, and (I think) non-alcoholic beverages, but the bar, massages, food, etc. all cost extra.

That sounds like the US Club offerings. You get free non-alcoholic drinks and some cheap snacks, but alcohol and real food cost extra.

OTOH, the annual fee for the US (and UA, AA, etc.) clubs isn't really intended to fully cover the cost of the club and make a profit.

While I don't know about UA/AA/etc, the US clubs do break even.
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RE: How Come There Is No US Airways Club In FLL?

Sun Apr 10, 2005 4:04 am

Quoting A330323X (Reply 22):
While I don't know about UA/AA/etc, the US clubs do break even.

Then why are they closing some of them?

http://www.usatoday.com/money/biztra...el/2005-03-28-usairways-usat_x.htm

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Sun Apr 10, 2005 4:37 am

Quoting Mariner (Reply 9):
Hang on a tick.

I thought that US Airways was changing its business model to become an LCC like JetBlue.

if that's so, why would they need a club?

The LCC operating model is not written in stone.

LCCs were only supposed to fly old airplanes. Then TZ ordered new airplanes, along with FL.

LCCs were supposed to offer a one class product. Then NK, FL and HP offered a Premium Class.

LCCs were only supposed to fly one aircraft type. Then B6, FL and TZ ordered secondary fleet types (tertiary in TZ's case).

LCCs weren't supposed to offer frequent flier miles. Now almost all of them do.

Why can't an LCC offer a club product?

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Sun Apr 10, 2005 4:45 am

Then why are they closing some of them?

They closed the ones that were no longer breaking even.
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RE: How Come There Is No US Airways Club In FLL?

Sun Apr 10, 2005 4:54 am

Quoting Hawk44 (Reply 8):
Cost, clubs are closing not opening in an effort to cut cost.

But I thought the mantra has always been that clubs are unequivocably profitable. What gives?
 
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Sun Apr 10, 2005 4:56 am

Aa757first:

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 24):
Why can't an LCC offer a club product?

I guess you didn't read my post where I said that an LCC can offer a club product - Virgin Blue does.

I think an LCC can do anything they want, and I note that some of the perceptions of what constitutes an LCC were/are false - Southwest had been butying new aircraft for years, several LCC's were operating mixed fleets and a couple had mixed classes.

I simply question US Airways commitment to the full LCC model, as they claim.

Whether they become a "true" LCC or not is irrelevant. I am perpetually amused that Dr. Bronner and Mr. Lakefield assume that we're all suckers.

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RE: How Come There Is No US Airways Club In FLL?

Sun Apr 10, 2005 4:58 am

How many flights are there into SFO and LAX on US Airways. Maybe 4x CLT, 2x PIT and 4x PHL. That's 10 flights. If there are four club members on every flight, that's 40 club members a day that can access the club. So they were probably only serving ten or twenty people a day...

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RE: How Come There Is No US Airways Club In FLL?

Sun Apr 10, 2005 5:12 am

Quoting Mariner (Reply 27):
I simply question US Airways commitment to the full LCC model, as they claim.

They have in no way shown one iota of commitment to a true LCC model. They are, in reality, evolving into a high-cost, low-wage airline -- wishing them lots of luck in their delusional thinking that this model stands a chance of making it without lots of life $upport from lots of suckers (as alluded to below).

Quoting Mariner (Reply 27):
Whether they become a "true" LCC or not is irrelevant. I am perpetually amused that Dr. Bronner and Mr. Lakefield assume that we're all suckers.
 
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RE: How Come There Is No US Airways Club In FLL?

Sun Apr 10, 2005 5:55 am

Just a quick question....if US is trying to become a LCC, are they going to get rid of some of their A330's? How many do they have?

Also, why are they re-opening some of their seasonal destinations in Europe as well as the 2 new destinations in Europe? I would think that they wouldn't with their current financial position. But thats just what I think.


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