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ATA Last Day At PIE, Today (sunday)

Mon Apr 11, 2005 2:27 am

As I write this at 12:40 eastern one 738 has come and gone, there are two more flights, both 757-200......but after that IT'S OVER  Sad Nothing comes in to overnight....THE END OF AN ERA


In 6 months PIE has lost 80% of its flights. What will PIE do? This only feeds the opposition of expansion from the airport's NIMBYs.  Angry

HOOTERS AIR MAY TAKE WING AT PIE
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/sptimes/...esc=Hooters+Air+may+take+wing+here


AIRPORT MAY NOT ATTRACT NEW AIRLINES UNTIL FALL
AN+HELLER&printformat=&desc=Airport+rebound+unlikely+until+fall" target=_blank>http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/sptimes/...irport+rebound+unlikely+until+fall

BITCHY LETTER-the middle one
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/sptimes/...its+welcome+face+Series%3A+LETTERS

AFTER LOSING MAIN CARRIER, PIE MAY TRY FOR OTHERS
AN+HELLER&printformat=&desc=After+losing+main+carrier%2C+airport+may+try+for+others" target=_blank>http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/sptimes/...rier%2C+airport+may+try+for+others


One of the attractions of St. Pete-Clearwater is the lower cost of doing business. When operating costs are divided by the number of passengers flown, it comes to about $2 per passenger at the Pinellas airport. At TIA it is $4.50. That includes landing fees, fuel surcharges and other costs.

One Delta 757 flight into TIA in December paid the airport $66,038 in fees. At St. Pete-Clearwater, that same flight would have paid $29,333.33.


So wouldn't DL save some money by sending a few flights to PIE. They serve both RSW and Naples, right?



SOUTHWEST DEAL PROMPTED ATA PULLOUT
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/sptimes/...outhwest+deal+prompted+ATA+pullout



An ATA spokeswoman declined to comment. The airline also is dropping flights to Fort Lauderdale and Orlando, big markets for Southwest. ATA will remain in Fort Myers and keep winter-season flights to Sarasota, both cities without Southwest flights.

I think they are keeping Orlando.




This month, Southwest included St. Petersburg-Clearwater on its list of code-share cities. The airline didn't consider the flights a threat to its Chicago-Tampa service, said spokeswoman Melanie Jones.

"We felt it just gave more flexibility to our customers," she said. Southwest didn't find out ATA was dropping St. Petersburg- Clearwater until after its partner made the announcement Wednesday, she said.

HMMM.....  Yeah sure
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RE: ATA Last Day At PIE, Today (sunday)

Mon Apr 11, 2005 2:29 am

Someone in the PIE area should get some shots of the last flight going out.

I hope PIE doesn't become a deserted airport, some one will come sooner or later. They can dominate it.

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RE: ATA Last Day At PIE, Today (sunday)

Mon Apr 11, 2005 2:52 am

Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 1):
Someone in the PIE area should get some shots of the last flight going out.

If its not too cloudy, i probably will.
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RE: ATA Last Day At PIE, Today (sunday)

Mon Apr 11, 2005 2:59 am

I'd get a shot if I were in the area but I'm in O-Town. This is truly a sad day for ATA and PIE. Best of luck to the ATA employees of PIE. PIE sure is getting less and less serviced by the minute.

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RE: ATA Last Day At PIE, Today (sunday)

Mon Apr 11, 2005 3:30 am

I can not help but feel very sad indeed for my friends in St Pete. Yet another reason I will never fly or non rev on WNflammed 
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RE: ATA Last Day At PIE, Today (sunday)

Mon Apr 11, 2005 8:37 am

Well, I just got back. There were like 3 TV stations there!!!! Goodbye signs at the ATA counter. I went up to the resteraunt which overlooks the apron and runway. The news crews were stationed on the roof. The plane backed out, went right past us, headed toward the runway. The employees went out onto the tarmac, as the plane rolled down the runway. Very emotional, I'm glad I went. OK, no one in the resteraunt knew what all the media attention was about. I had to inform some folks. They were all waiting for the USA3000 flights. I'm going to scan the local channels tonight for coverage.

For the record, the last ATA aircraft was B757-200, N523AT.
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RE: ATA Last Day At PIE, Today (sunday)

Mon Apr 11, 2005 9:34 am

Last day in SEA too ... N551TZ operated the last departure to HNL.

http://home.no.net/mow/flypics/SEA050410/002.jpg

The last arrival is tonight, but it'll ferry out.
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RE: ATA Last Day At PIE, Today (sunday)

Mon Apr 11, 2005 10:47 am

Quoting Qxq400 (Reply 4):
I can not help but feel very sad indeed for my friends in St Pete. Yet another reason I will never fly or non rev on WN

I'm sorry.. how is this our fault exactly????

Just because we codeshare doesn't mean we have control over their flight scheduling.. that would be.. err, illegal..
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RE: ATA Last Day At PIE, Today (sunday)

Mon Apr 11, 2005 11:03 am

Quoting Swadispatcher (Reply 7):
Just because we codeshare doesn't mean we have control over their flight scheduling.. that would be.. err, illegal..

Control, no. Of course not.
Influence? Oh, yeah. Lots and lots of influence.
I think it's a little naive to presume that WN had nothing to do with this.

When airlines codeshare, it's only natural that the partners consider getting rid of duplicative service. My first thought when they announced the WN investment/codeshare was "why the hell would WN codeshare on flights to PIE when WN already flies to TPA?" ATA can (hopefully) redeploy the planes to somewhere with more opportunities now, which in the long run is better for their survival.
 
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RE: ATA Last Day At PIE, Today (sunday)

Mon Apr 11, 2005 11:50 am

Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 8):
My first thought when they announced the WN investment/codeshare was "why the hell would WN codeshare on flights to PIE when WN already flies to TPA?"

I had the exact same thoughts.. I am curious to know what their loads were on the flights.. I know we never sent them more than 2-3 pax per flight per day since the codeshare began..

Hopefully they can use the 75's on more profitable routes instead.
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RE: ATA Last Day At PIE, Today (sunday)

Mon Apr 11, 2005 12:05 pm

Quoting Swadispatcher (Reply 9):
I had the exact same thoughts.. I am curious to know what their loads were on the flights.. I know we never sent them more than 2-3 pax per flight per day since the codeshare began..

Hopefully they can use the 75's on more profitable routes instead.

Wow...2-3 is even lower than I suspected.

The best-case scenario would be if ATA can redeploy the planes on routes with good potential in and of themselves, and which offer WN codeshare opportunity - best of both worlds!

I have no idea what routes those could be, though - anyone have a guess?
 
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RE: ATA Last Day At PIE, Today (sunday)

Mon Apr 11, 2005 12:34 pm

kind of sad, I remember in the mid 1990's
PIE was a mini-hub for ATA. they had
several flights from the north arriving at
the same time going to MIA, FMY and PBI?
this was a connecting point for like three or
four flights.
 
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RE: ATA Last Day At PIE, Today (sunday)

Mon Apr 11, 2005 12:39 pm

That's too bad that PIE has very little service. cry . Its a sad day for all of the TZ employees at PIE.  raincloud 


Now its open for grabs to any airline that wants to make a mega-hub in Tampa! Yeah sure I actually really like PIE, and if I were the CEO of an airline, scratchchin  I would definitely take advantage of this opportunity and rule the airport! trophy 

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RE: ATA Last Day At PIE, Today (sunday)

Tue Apr 12, 2005 3:02 am

So what's the first day without ATA look like?



Flight Arrivals
Flights arriving in:
Saint Petersburg, FL
(PIE-St. Petersburg International Airport)

78° F
Sunny


Departure City Airline Flight
Number Arrival
Time More Info

Augusta, GA Bombardier Business Jet Solutions 434 08:55 PM Arrived
Little Rock, AR Bombardier Business Jet Solutions 328 03:30 PM Planned
Halifax, NS CanJet Airlines 840 08:22 PM Scheduled
Cincinnati, OH Delta AirElite 206 02:32 PM In Flight
Allentown, PA PACE Airlines 301 09:53 AM Arrived
Sarasota, FL Skyservice Airlines 70 12:26 PM Arrived
Philadelphia, PA USA3000 Airlines 170 06:33 PM Scheduled
Cleveland, OH USA3000 Airlines 470 07:23 PM Scheduled
Newark, NJ USA3000 Airlines 290 08:15 PM Scheduled
Chicago, IL USA3000 Airlines 610 08:46 PM Scheduled



Keep in mind, USA3000 does not operate daily. One concern of airport officials is they do not operate into PIE on Saturdays. That could change.
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RE: ATA Last Day At PIE, Today (sunday)

Tue Apr 12, 2005 5:51 am

OK... Sorry, but I HAVE to say it....

Looks like ATA no longer has a piece of the... PIE.  Silly

OK.. I hear the groans out in cyber land.
 
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RE: ATA Last Day At PIE, Today (sunday)

Tue Apr 12, 2005 6:03 am

Speaking of ATA at PIE, how full were their planes when they operated the mini florida hub? (i.e. PIE-FLL, RSW, MIA, PBI)
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RE: ATA Last Day At PIE, Today (sunday)

Tue Apr 12, 2005 6:59 am

Too bad PIE was a nice city. I remeber working the red-eye on the 753 from LAX with never more then 40 people. Too bad.. Was fun to use the air stairs for a change though. I hear SEA may come back witht the 738's?
 
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RE: ATA Last Day At PIE, Today (sunday)

Tue Apr 12, 2005 10:12 am

UPS and USA 3000 are the largest carriers @ PIE right now.
 
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RE: ATA Last Day At PIE, Today (sunday)

Tue Apr 12, 2005 10:15 am

When UPS had that pax carrying experience a few years back, did they fly from PIE or TPA? I forget. And where to?
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RE: ATA Last Day At PIE, Today (sunday)

Tue Apr 12, 2005 10:18 am

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 18):
When UPS had that pax carrying experience a few years back, did they fly from PIE or TPA? I forget. And where to?

Yep! They flew from TPA with the 727's. Parked over at "F" where BA parks. I thiiiiink it was to Cancun or there abouts.

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RE: ATA Last Day At PIE, Today (sunday)

Tue Apr 12, 2005 10:25 am

Quoting Tundra767 (Reply 16):
I hear SEA may come back witht the 738's?

I'm hearing the same, but since I'm being laid off this week, I'll probably be the last to know ... :p

A seasonal 738 would make sense, but don't forget that SEA is a ridicolously expensive airport to operate from ...
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RE: ATA Last Day At PIE, Today (sunday)

Tue Apr 12, 2005 10:29 am

Does WN fly MDW-SEA?

Quoting TPA" class=quote target=_blank>SWA TPA (Reply 19):
Yep! They flew from TPA with the 727's. Parked over at "F" where BA parks. I thiiiiink it was to Cancun or there abouts.

I was leaning toward TPA, but I wasn't sure.
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RE: ATA Last Day At PIE, Today (sunday)

Tue Apr 12, 2005 10:36 am

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 21):
Does WN fly MDW-SEA?

Yes sir we do! 8x a day  smile 

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RE: ATA Last Day At PIE, Today (sunday)

Tue Apr 12, 2005 10:44 am

Looking at your website, you only fly three roundtrips ...

Yes, WN replaced our 800 seats to MDW (each day, each way, last summer) with one extra 73G .. whoppee ....

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RE: ATA Last Day At PIE, Today (sunday)

Tue Apr 12, 2005 10:51 am

Quoting LN-MOW (Reply 23):
That would be 4 roundtrips

502 7:00am 9:25am N/S
2612 9:30am 11:55am N/S
913/2319 10:10am 3:45pm OAK/1
520/2112 10:50am 4:55pm MCI/1
2197/1777 11:15am 6:30pm LAX/2
629/555 1:15pm 6:45pm SLC/1
2645/1216 1:45pm 8:05pm OAK/1
205 6:30pm 8:55pm N/S

Noooo, looks like 8 flights per day MDW-SEA.

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PS LN-MOW - That would be 1096 seats per day currently via Southwest. 

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RE: ATA Last Day At PIE, Today (sunday)

Tue Apr 12, 2005 10:58 am

202 7:20am 1:15pm N/S
1027 9:55am 3:50pm N/S
1289/603 12:30pm 8:45pm SLC/2
2220 3:15pm 9:10pm N/S

The return flights SEA-MDW.
Hmmm, wonder why we only have 4 return flights and 8 outbound flights  scratchchin 

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RE: ATA Last Day At PIE, Today (sunday)

Tue Apr 12, 2005 10:58 am

I see three ... plus two to OAK, one to LAX, one to SLC and one to MCI.
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RE: ATA Last Day At PIE, Today (sunday)

Tue Apr 12, 2005 10:58 am

LOL I don't know how you can compare an ATA nonstop from Seattle to Chicago to a 2 stop trip, via Los Angeles, on Southwest.
 
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RE: ATA Last Day At PIE, Today (sunday)

Tue Apr 12, 2005 11:00 am

Hey, in all honesty, nobody said anything about non-stops.
 wink  No hard feelings meant!

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RE: ATA Last Day At PIE, Today (sunday)

Tue Apr 12, 2005 11:06 am

MDW-LAX isn't MDW-SEA ..... if you pull that one on a customer, you'll get in trouble ... LOL
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RE: ATA Last Day At PIE, Today (sunday)

Tue Apr 12, 2005 12:37 pm

I can't see how any can confuse "how many flights a day" by meaning anything other than nonstop flights? Of course that may just be the typical southwest mentality too (need I add that little pink face is just making me want to get a hammer and smash it - LOL). Thats like say "how many times does Delta fly from Toledo to Orlando?" The answer would be zero with the common sense crowd...but this explaination above you would say 13 - since you could easily find a connection on all 13 flights a day out of that place on DL.

Duh.
 
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RE: ATA Last Day At PIE, Today (sunday)

Tue Apr 12, 2005 10:34 pm

Too bad for PIE and the people in IN and IL who travel to Florida alot. ATA had cheap fares and daily service. I flew into PIE several times the past few years and must say it's a nice little place to fly into. Easy to get in and out of.

PIE is the only airport I have been to with a retinal scan at the TSA station. Do any other airports have retina scanning?
 
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RE: ATA Last Day At PIE, Today (sunday)

Wed Apr 13, 2005 12:15 am

I loved to fly into PIE. THe first time i flew into PIE was when ATA operated their "florida hub." I flew IND-PIE-FLL. It was nice  Big grin
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RE: ATA Last Day At PIE, Today (sunday)

Wed Apr 13, 2005 7:26 am

I feel Spirit would be a good choice to move from TPA to PIE.
 
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RE: ATA Last Day At PIE, Today (sunday)

Wed Apr 13, 2005 9:03 am

Allegiant should go into St. Pete and fly to Fresno...

"PIE will get you FAT"

(sorry...)

Seriously, Allegiant should seriously consider PIE if they ever go into the Tampa Bay market...

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