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Int. Service For NYC In ISP, HPN, SWF, BDL Or PHL?

Mon Apr 11, 2005 8:16 am

Given the demand for international arriving slots @ EWR and JFK;
Is it feasible for ISP, HPN or SWF to have a full US Inmigration + Customs facility?
Should PHL and/or BDL start to be considered serious alternate airports for international service for the NY/NJ/CT metro area?
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RE: Int. Service For NYC In ISP, HPN, SWF, BDL Or PHL?

Mon Apr 11, 2005 8:21 am

ISP/HPN have runways too short for such ops. SWF is a remote possibility, but until a US LCC goes into SWF with a decent level of service and stimulates traffic and SWF awareness it ain't gonna happen.

BDL and PHL are too far away really.
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RE: Int. Service For NYC In ISP, HPN, SWF, BDL Or PHL?

Mon Apr 11, 2005 8:27 am

Not to mention the fact that EWR and JFK, while busy, are not filled to capacity.
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RE: Int. Service For NYC In ISP, HPN, SWF, BDL Or PHL?

Mon Apr 11, 2005 8:27 am

I was thinking BDL could definately support a 757 to LHR/LGW... maybe Song? wink wink

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RE: Int. Service For NYC In ISP, HPN, SWF, BDL Or PHL?

Mon Apr 11, 2005 8:30 am

IIRC, HPN has CRJ service from YYZ or YUL on AC.

If someone wanted to start BBJ service from HPN to Europe, they probably could do it, but that's about the biggest plane that will fit into that airport.

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RE: Int. Service For NYC In ISP, HPN, SWF, BDL Or PHL?

Mon Apr 11, 2005 8:35 am

Could a B737NG or A320 type aircraft to/from the Caribbean/Mexico Eire/Scotland take-off/land in "short" runways like HPN or ISP or not?
Sure DUB, SNN, BFS, PIK, ABZ, EDI > HPN, ISP is pushing the range of those aircraft too far!

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 1):
ISP/HPN have runways too short for such ops. SWF is a remote possibility, but until a US LCC goes into SWF with a decent level of service and stimulates traffic and SWF awareness it ain't gonna happen
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RE: Int. Service For NYC In ISP, HPN, SWF, BDL Or PHL?

Mon Apr 11, 2005 8:35 am

US Airways has a fair amount of connecting traffic from LGA-PHL-Carrib/Europe.
 
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RE: Int. Service For NYC In ISP, HPN, SWF, BDL Or PHL?

Mon Apr 11, 2005 8:42 am

What about LGA-LHR on a 757?

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RE: Int. Service For NYC In ISP, HPN, SWF, BDL Or PHL?

Mon Apr 11, 2005 8:48 am

Quoting TWA902fly (Reply 7):
What about LGA-LHR on a 757?

Does LGA has a US Federal Inspection Facility like EWR or JFK?
Are those London passengers go thru US inmigration and customs before landing @ LGA?
Some domestic US airports do get international flights that have pre-cleared customs in their origin airports (Canadian airports, Bermuda, Nassau, Freeport and Aruba).
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RE: Int. Service For NYC In ISP, HPN, SWF, BDL Or PHL?

Mon Apr 11, 2005 8:52 am

TWA902fly is on the right track, but I would rather see - given there's a Federal Inspection Facility @ LGA - a LCY > LGA !!
What kind of narrow-body aircraft could do that route?
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RE: Int. Service For NYC In ISP, HPN, SWF, BDL Or PHL?

Mon Apr 11, 2005 8:57 am

There are no FIS facilities at LGA - all of the international flights that arrive there are precleared at their destinations - BDA, STT, Canada, etc. all have US preclearance facilities. The only transatlantic destination that could go to LGA is DUB or SNN, as they're the only European cities with US FIS facilities.
 
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RE: Int. Service For NYC In ISP, HPN, SWF, BDL Or PHL?

Mon Apr 11, 2005 10:06 am

" ISP/HPN have runways too short for such ops. SWF is a remote possibility, but until a US LCC goes into SWF with a decent level of service and stimulates traffic and SWF awareness it ain't gonna happen. "

SWF does have LCC service from IAD with Independence Air.

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RE: Int. Service For NYC In ISP, HPN, SWF, BDL Or PHL?

Mon Apr 11, 2005 11:25 am

Apart from a few select cases (such as LHR), international traffic is rarely to blame for the traffic problems at major airports. It is my opinion, therefore, that international traffic need not be penalized, ie in terms of diverting it away from airlines' preferred airports. Think O'Hare--if hundreds of RJs to Moline and South Bend and the like are the problem, why make a London-bound 747 land at Gary, or (god forbid) Peotone?

While I don't think "alternate" airports in the NYC area (which does not by any means include PHL or BDL) should be considered for diverting international traffic, I do believe that in some cases secondary regional markets (BDL again, for instance, or SAN) have enough traffic to support international service that is currently being "routed" through another, larger airport. In other words, if we ever see a flight from BDL to London, it's going to be because a market actually exists at BDL, not because JFK needs to alleviate congestion.

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RE: Int. Service For NYC In ISP, HPN, SWF, BDL Or PHL?

Mon Apr 11, 2005 11:34 am

HPN is not an option because the local government has regulated a maximum number of passengers/hour, not to mention the short runways. BDL could probably support intercontinental flights to 2 or 3 EU gateways. It would be interesting if an airport with long runways were to be built in southern Connecticut, either between Bridgeport and New Haven or between Bridgeport and Stamford. If such an airport existed, it could generate a fair amount of traffic both domestically and internationally.

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RE: Int. Service For NYC In ISP, HPN, SWF, BDL Or PHL?

Mon Apr 11, 2005 12:27 pm

Quoting FlyIGuy (Reply 11):
SWF does have LCC service from IAD with Independence Air.

They also had it with Southeast, but they failed.
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RE: Int. Service For NYC In ISP, HPN, SWF, BDL Or PHL?

Mon Apr 11, 2005 2:14 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 4):
IIRC, HPN has CRJ service from YYZ or YUL on AC.

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RE: Int. Service For NYC In ISP, HPN, SWF, BDL Or PHL?

Mon Apr 11, 2005 2:17 pm

How do you plan on landing anything with passangers at LCY that just came frmo LGA?

Good plan but you'd have to double their runway, at least

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RE: Int. Service For NYC In ISP, HPN, SWF, BDL Or PHL?

Tue Apr 12, 2005 12:38 am

Quoting TWA902fly (Reply 16):
How do you plan on landing anything with passangers at LCY that just came frmo LGA?

A RJ70 or E170/90 (maybe) with an intermediate stop in Gander or Iceland?  Smile
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RE: Int. Service For NYC In ISP, HPN, SWF, BDL Or PHL?

Tue Apr 12, 2005 12:54 am

I do believe BDL has a full FIS facility. Given the right conditions Hartford could support a flight to London, Paris, Frankfurt, et al if it were not smack dab between Boston and New York City.
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RE: Int. Service For NYC In ISP, HPN, SWF, BDL Or PHL?

Tue Apr 12, 2005 3:10 am

BDL does have a brand new FIS facility with 1 current jetway, and a door for another. I believe the only carriers using it right now are our weekend charters: USA3000, North American, etc... There were a couple local businessmen a few years ago who were putting together a small airline to run 757s from BDL-Stansted, I think the working name was AtlanticJet; not sure if that project is still in the works or not.