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GYY Chicago Airport - Something To Look Forward?

Mon Apr 11, 2005 8:27 am

How attractive is Gary Chicago Airport for passengers travelling to/from Chicago?
It's going to be a real alternate airport for the Chicago area when improved?
Other than ORD and MDW What are Chicago "other" airports suitable to be their alternate airport? MKE, SBN ?
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RE: GYY Chicago Airport - Something To Look Forward?

Mon Apr 11, 2005 8:32 am

There's Rockford which is marketed as Rockford-Northwest Chicago Airport... currently served by Transmeridian,Hooters Air, and Northwest Airlink, destinations include:

LAS (Hooters, Transmeridian)
SFB (Transmeridian)
FLL (Transmeridian)
SJU (Transmeridian - seasonal)
DTW (Northwest / Pinnacle)
MYR (Hooters)
ATL (Hooters)
DEN (Hooters)

plus a couple charter airlines to places like CUN PUJ etc..

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RE: GYY Chicago Airport - Something To Look Forward?

Mon Apr 11, 2005 8:40 am

How far is Rockford from ORD, MDW?
If they've charters to CUN, PUJ where do those pax go to inmigration/customs when returning to RFD?
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RE: GYY Chicago Airport - Something To Look Forward?

Mon Apr 11, 2005 9:07 am

2travel2know,

I don't know much about the pax facilities, but I can tell you that operational the airport can be a nightmare. First, there is a train track with a train sitting at one end of the runway. And,(this will kill ya) the train has priority OVER flights coming in and out. Sooooo, if you have to use that runway, and you are too heavy to clear the train while operating, you sit there. After the train passes, the fire department then has to go out and remove some kind of poles that have to do with the train, all before you can leave and still carry a decent load. Sheesh.

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RE: GYY Chicago Airport - Something To Look Forward?

Mon Apr 11, 2005 9:19 am

IF prices are low enough out of GYY, some Chicagoans might be persuaded to take the Skyway into Indiana to catch a flight. I'm not too optimistic though.

SBN is too far away to be a viable alternative to ORD & MDW. However, the reverse is not true, because many people traveling to the Michiana region use ORD or MDW.

What do you think about renaming GYY after Gary's most famous son? Michael Jackson Airport has a nice ring to it!  Wink
 
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RE: GYY Chicago Airport - Something To Look Forward?

Mon Apr 11, 2005 11:15 am

I guess there are customs at Rockford, UPS has their chicago-area base there, come around 9PM to see all their flights land/take off. RFD is about an hour and 15 from ORD, and over 2 hours from MDW... considering no traffic

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RE: GYY Chicago Airport - Something To Look Forward?

Mon Apr 11, 2005 11:52 am

Here is the latest press release from GYY regarding the FAA approval to lengthen the primary runway.

FAA approves plans for airport expansion

By Andy Grimm
Gary Post-Tribune

Gary/Chicago International Airport officials say they can begin preparing for takeoff in earnest.

After two years of review, Federal Aviation Administration officials Thursday announced their approval of plans for a multimillion-dollar expansion effort that local leaders say will vault the airfield ahead of Chicago-area competitors in the race to become the region's third major air hub.

"This already-vital airport gota big boost today," King said at a news conference in the airport concourse.

The plans, which will cost an estimated $90 million to complete, call for moving the EJ&E Railroad tracks that run along the airport's northwest border and extending one of the airport's two runways by 1900 feet.

Because of FAA safety regulations, the l5 foot-high railroad embankment at the end of the runway was an obstacle to bringing business to the airport, airport administrator Paul Karas said.

FAA rules on the embankment all but eliminated wide-body jets from taking off and landing at the airport, despite the fact that the 7,000-foot runway is longer than any at Chicago's Midway Airport.

Passenger flights couldn't take off with every seat full and cargo aircraft had to take off partially loaded, Karas said.

"As soon as we move the railroad, we can start getting more flights in here immediately," he said, adding that construction could begin as early as 2006.

Story posted: 3/18/05
 
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RE: GYY Chicago Airport - Something To Look Forward?

Mon Apr 11, 2005 12:19 pm

Quoting Misbeehavin (Reply 4):
What do you think about renaming GYY after Gary's most famous son? Michael Jackson Airport has a nice ring to it!

I think it would be less bad naming GYY for "Jackson Brothers Airport" instead.
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RE: GYY Chicago Airport - Something To Look Forward?

Mon Apr 11, 2005 9:21 pm

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 7):
I think it would be less bad naming GYY for "Jackson Brothers Airport" instead.

I'm going for "Jackson 5 Gary-Chicago International Airport"
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RE: GYY Chicago Airport - Something To Look Forward?

Tue Apr 12, 2005 3:09 am

It's all about the transportation links... if they can build a decent train to downtown chicago (better than the current, clunkly southshore line) then Gary can absolutely be a viable airport for the entire South Side, as well as the Loop.

Even Milwaukee is moving ahead of Rockford for the north shore and north suburbs (despite its 90 mile distance from the Loop) - the new Amtrak station at MKE will do wonders, especially if they ever get funded to to High-Speed - at that point it could be as little as 45 minutes from MKE to the Loop.
 
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RE: GYY Chicago Airport - Something To Look Forward?

Tue Apr 12, 2005 4:35 am

If you have ever driven through Gary on your way to Chicago from Michigan then you would wonder who if anyone from this area is flying. This is an area that you want to drive from, not to.
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RE: GYY Chicago Airport - Something To Look Forward?

Tue Apr 12, 2005 5:04 am

The last time i drove up in that region, it looked like they were making a serious attempt at cleaning up that area. It was not all that bad...if you come from the east on I-80/90 then you go through some "bad" parts but i think if they can clean up a little and get the airport expansion done, then GYY could very well become the third airport in chicago and the peotone airport would not have to be developed.
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RE: GYY Chicago Airport - Something To Look Forward?

Tue Apr 12, 2005 5:07 am

We're talking about 12/30 correct?

So I assume, flights take off from 30 then?
Taking off to the NW over Chicago? That seems strange....

Looks like the threshold is displaced on 12? How many feet?

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Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 10):
If you have ever driven through Gary on your way to Chicago from Michigan then you would wonder who if anyone from this area is flying. This is an area that you want to drive from, not to.

Very true...however, I can think of many major airports that are situated in not so great areas of the cities they serve....
The fact remains, millions reside in NW Indiana/SW Michigan that could be better served by not having to go to MDW, or worse for them ORD.

I can see Gary becoming a valid alternative in the years to come, the gridlock of Chicago guarantees it.
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RE: GYY Chicago Airport - Something To Look Forward?

Tue Apr 12, 2005 5:14 am

Well, when you take into account that MDW cannot be expanded anymore and ORD is oversaturdated, GYY seems like the next best alternative. If you wait for Peotone to be built, it will be a very LONG time; at least GYY is already there and could be used while expansion/renovation is done.
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RE: GYY Chicago Airport - Something To Look Forward?

Tue Apr 12, 2005 6:27 am

Rendering of the Multimodal Station at GYY


View of the Chicago skyline, looking NW from GYY (showing proximity)


All in all, given this expansion plan on the on-going gridlock in the Chicago metro area air travel infrastructure, I'd say that with significant investment in improving the intermodality and upgrading the airside and terminal facilities, it would only be a matter of time before the likes of, say, JetBlue would take the chance. But given its current condition and the lack of any real upgrades, I think GYY is doomed to be a GA, charter, or very modest scheduled service airport.

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RE: GYY Chicago Airport - Something To Look Forward?

Tue Apr 12, 2005 12:26 pm

Quoting Scutfarcus (Reply 9):
Even Milwaukee is moving ahead of Rockford for the north shore and north suburbs (despite its 90 mile distance from the Loop) - the new Amtrak station at MKE will do wonders, especially if they ever get funded to to High-Speed - at that point it could be as little as 45 minutes from MKE to the Loop.

MKE at 45minutes from the Loop by highspeed train will indeed make it very, very attractive for Chicago. MKE does have an international arrivals building (how many gates?), they just need to put a connector from it to the main terminal and they would be able to easily get those international flights that can't afford good landing slots @ ORD.
Still something will have to be done with GYY or even South Bend (which has train to the Loop) for the southern Chicago / Northwestern Indiana market.
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RE: GYY Chicago Airport - Something To Look Forward?

Tue Apr 12, 2005 2:32 pm

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 10):
If you have ever driven through Gary on your way to Chicago from Michigan then you would wonder who if anyone from this area is flying. This is an area that you want to drive from, not to.

lol...I was thinking the same thing......  Wink
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RE: GYY Chicago Airport - Something To Look Forward?

Tue Apr 12, 2005 4:33 pm

How about Gary/Chicago Pediport after MJ???

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RE: GYY Chicago Airport - Something To Look Forward?

Tue Apr 12, 2005 7:12 pm

Quoting Mikey711MN (Reply 14):
Rendering of the Multimodal Station at GYY

Wow! I like. Ummm... Is it just me or are their no barriers to walking onto the high speed train tracks?

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RE: GYY Chicago Airport - Something To Look Forward?

Tue Apr 12, 2005 10:21 pm

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 7):
What do you think about renaming GYY after Gary's most famous son? Michael Jackson Airport has a nice ring to it!



Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 8):
I think it would be less bad naming GYY for "Jackson Brothers Airport" instead.

How about Ghetto International.

Maybe passengers could just be shuttled in on helicopters from a remote(safe) location. Sort of like the buses at Dulles, or the trains at TPA & LAS.

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RE: GYY Chicago Airport - Something To Look Forward?

Tue Apr 12, 2005 11:24 pm

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 7):
I think it would be less bad naming GYY for "Jackson Brothers Airport" instead.

I don't think it would be wise to hang that moniker over the airport at all; especially if a guilty verdict is reached.....bad omen!

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 10):
If you have ever driven through Gary on your way to Chicago from Michigan then you would wonder who if anyone from this area is flying. This is an area that you want to drive from, not to.

This is obviously a huge obsticle, unless of course, you are taking the train and not driving. From the air, this area looks absolutely hideous. This will be the only airport in America where they issue guns to paying passengers to get into an airport.

In all seriousness, if they can clean up the area and make the ride into the airport nice, clean and safe, it may just work.
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RE: GYY Chicago Airport - Something To Look Forward?

Wed Apr 13, 2005 12:20 am

I love the looks of the intermodal train station....in a way, it looks to me a little bit like the Metro station at Madrid-Barajas.

If that is built, the biggest hurdle is overcome.

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 18):
Is it just me or are their no barriers to walking onto the high speed train tracks?


I haven't seen any barriers at European stations used by highspeed trains, and I don't know anything about the arrangement in Japan, but are they really necessary?
Remember, when they pull into the station, they are moving slow.

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RE: GYY Chicago Airport - Something To Look Forward?

Wed Apr 13, 2005 12:32 am

One problem with MKE right now, not much room left for more traffic. With the possibility of JetBlue expanding to MKE later this year, Mitchell International is getting full pretty quickly.
 
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RE: GYY Chicago Airport - Something To Look Forward?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 3:18 am

I certainly hope GYY becomes a major alternative to ORD and Midway.

My hometown of Gary may be a dump but there are other major airports in slums. Look at Oakland, CA and Newark, NJ.
GYY not only has the tollroad right next to it that feed in to downtown Chicago, but it also has the commuter railway also.


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RE: GYY Chicago Airport - Something To Look Forward?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 3:25 am

Quoting Mikey711MN (Reply 14):
Rendering of the Multimodal Station at GYY

nice rendering. but where is the graffiti?

Quoting ATCRick (Reply 3):
And,(this will kill ya) the train has priority OVER flights coming in and out. Sooooo, if you have to use that runway, and you are too heavy to clear the train while operating, you sit there. After the train passes, the fire department then has to go out and remove some kind of poles that have to do with the train, all before you can leave and still carry a decent load

sounds like they have a hot box sitting there.

is this the possibility that trains cannot stop there because of blocking major intersections?
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RE: GYY Chicago Airport - Something To Look Forward?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 3:35 am

Quoting Michael77750 (Reply 22):
One problem with MKE right now, not much room left for more traffic. With the possibility of JetBlue expanding to MKE later this year, Mitchell International is getting full pretty quickly.

where in the world did you hear that? with a320's? the 190's wont see currently non-existing B6 cities till 2006.

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RE: GYY Chicago Airport - Something To Look Forward?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 6:38 am

For ATCRick

GYY, like many other airports, has a displaced threshold on the departure end of RW30. The obstacle happens to be a railroad that predates the airport by 40 some years. The height of the train on track is 38 feet, so there are lighted obstruction poles at 38 feet marking this. If we have an airline that has signed on to our "pole procedure", we co-ordinate push times with the train movements. Yes the airplane may have to wait, but this has not happened to date. This procedure allows heavier aircraft to operate here that could not when engine out procedure was factored on runway performance. Something like ship in ship out of harbor.
 
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RE: GYY Chicago Airport - Something To Look Forward?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 6:40 am

In regards to the area around GYY being a dump. It absolutely is and one of the reasons is because there are not enough jobs in the region to support the area. If the airport is rebuilt many construction jobs would be created, and later as cargo carriers begin to operate and scheduled airlines that would create plenty of jobs, which would lead to an economic boom in an area that desperately needs it.
 
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RE: GYY Chicago Airport - Something To Look Forward?

Fri Apr 22, 2005 3:24 am

I can vouch for the pole prodcedure. To date Southeast, Pan Am, or Hooters have probably used it about 50 times in 5 years and NEVER waited on a train.
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RE: GYY Chicago Airport - Something To Look Forward?

Fri Apr 22, 2005 3:35 am

Actually I'd say to name it Janet Jackson International -- and make sure you have a "bust" of her in the terminal...

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