airxliban
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AF New Business Class Rollout?

Mon Apr 11, 2005 4:48 pm

Just wondering if Air France's new business class has started to hit any of the 772s yet. Anyone know when the refits will take place and what routes will get them first?
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flpuck6
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RE: AF New Business Class Rollout?

Mon Apr 11, 2005 11:45 pm

Hello,

The modification of 777-200ER aircraft will not take place before 2006 because priority is being given to the re-fit of the A330/A340/744 fleet, which will not have Espace Premiere (First class).
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nycflyer
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RE: AF New Business Class Rollout?

Mon Apr 11, 2005 11:55 pm

I flew the new b-class on an A340, EWR-CDG back in December. And then I flew home on a 777 so I could compare. The new one is nice, but not so incredible that it made a huge difference. I was just happy to be in business class at all. The new one has ELEVEN different dials to adjust your seat, but I still couldn't get 100% comfortable to sleep. But that's more me than the seat. Good service on both flights.
 
atwingo
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RE: AF New Business Class Rollout?

Tue Apr 12, 2005 11:08 am

Can we assume that if a particular A330 has a 1st class it has not been modified? And if it does not offer 1st class (on AF reservation system), that particular plane has in fact been modified?
 
flpuck6
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RE: AF New Business Class Rollout?

Tue Apr 12, 2005 12:17 pm

Atwingo,

Yes and no to your questions ... there are 3 A330s actually in service without first class, i.e. with the new J class seats, they are F-GZCM/CN/CO.

The reason why you can't assume that it has been modified if 1st is not offered is because sometimes the aircraft is "physically" a three class aircraft, but 1st is not open for sale. It happens on the A340s a lot. They forecast a 2-class aircraft on a particular day, but for whatever reason, a 2-class a/c is not available so they send a 3-class aircraft but do not seel first class.
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atwingo
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RE: AF New Business Class Rollout?

Wed Apr 13, 2005 10:09 am

Flpuck6,
Thanks for your response. I am leaving IAD on 6-20 for Paris on the A330 flight (that is the new 3rd daily AF flight) in business. I have tried to figure out if I am getting the new product or not, but nobody has been able to answer that, including Air France. Your answer, however, clarifies things a bit more.
 
flpuck6
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RE: AF New Business Class Rollout?

Wed Apr 13, 2005 11:48 am

Atwingo,

If I can remember, I can try to look it up for you Thursday. I would tend to think that the A330 on the IAD route would be a 3-class one since IAD really needs to offer the First Class cabin, but hey, anything is possible. I think the reason why AF staff does not want to tell you is because it is not proper customer service if they tell you it will be on aircraft and then it turns out to be another.
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usflt1778
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RE: AF New Business Class Rollout?

Wed Apr 13, 2005 1:59 pm

Quoting Atwingo (Reply 5):
I am leaving IAD on 6-20 for Paris on the A330 flight

This is not a route featuring 2-class service, as mentioned by Flpuck. To fly on an AF A330 with 2 classes, plan on one of these destinations out of CDG:

1 a/c: PHL
1 a/c: BKO
1 a/c: COO (Wed) + OUA (Mon) + THR (except Mon/Wed)
1 a/c: BOM (from 9MAY til 12JUN) + DTW (eff 13JUN)

F-GZCM/CN were joined by F-GZCO on 4APR. F-GZCP will enter service later this week/weekend, making 4 NEV 330s in the fleet for summer season.
 
FlySSC
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RE: AF New Business Class Rollout?

Wed Apr 13, 2005 7:13 pm

Quoting USflt1778 (Reply 7):
F-GZCM/CN were joined by F-GZCO

Actually, F-GZCO operated its first commercial flight last friday April 8th on CDG-BKO-CDG.
I just flew last Monday April 11th with her on AF366 CDG-PHL, its third flight.
 
Marco
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RE: AF New Business Class Rollout?

Thu Apr 14, 2005 12:59 am

I'm flying YUL-CDG-DXB on may 1st. I'm trying the new Business class on the YUL-CDG (AF 347) ... does anyone know if the new Business class seat will be available on the CDG-DXB flight 1300 departure (A330)?

Thanks
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flpuck6
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RE: AF New Business Class Rollout?

Thu Apr 14, 2005 1:22 am

USflt1778 listed the cities which the A330s service with the new business class seats.

Therefore no, the A330 on the CDG-DXB flight will not have the new business class seats.
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airxliban
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RE: AF New Business Class Rollout?

Sat Apr 16, 2005 2:23 pm

Thanks for the responses everyone.

How would you all rate AF's old business class, such as that on the 772s? And what about the new one?
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ozglobal
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RE: AF New Business Class Rollout?

Mon Apr 18, 2005 8:13 am

Airxliban,

I have flown the 'old' but still very present C class:

i) Product is very "B" grade compared to BA, QF and SQ, etc in terms of seat (not lie-flat; higher density), but still slightly ahead of US carriers
ii) Service is either very good or mediocre
iii) Flights are often full and in this config it can feel like Y class after the above airlines
iv) Looking forward to trying the new J class, but have heard mixed reports, including IFE NEVER works fully on any flights
When all's said and done, there'll be more said than done.