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QF And NZ B744s Involved In Near Miss Over AKL

Mon Apr 11, 2005 7:48 pm

Over the weekend two B744s, owned by QF and NZ were involved in a near miss while both were landing. QF43 was on an instrument approach when ATC noticed an unidentified aircraft tracking towards QF43's path. NZ124 was descending to 4000 feet

http://tvnz.co.nz/view/news_national_story_skin/495720%3fformat=html
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RE: QF And NZ B744s Involved In Near Miss Over AKL

Mon Apr 11, 2005 9:36 pm

From the Australian press;

www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,12826828-29277,00.html

www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,12820464-29277,00.html

Was also reported on the Late News. Typical beat up, lets all panic etc.  Smile It seems like the QF aircraft obeyed all ATC directives and the crew responded to Ground Proximity Alerts as they're trained to.
 
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RE: QF And NZ B744s Involved In Near Miss Over AKL

Mon Apr 11, 2005 9:38 pm

Who invented the term "near miss"? I'm amazed after all these years that nobody in the media hasn't realized how wrong that term is.
 
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RE: QF And NZ B744s Involved In Near Miss Over AKL

Mon Apr 11, 2005 10:10 pm

The media would much rather tell us all about how two planes almost colliding mid air than tell us two aircraft, operating normally, slightly infringed one anothers space and took corrective action. I suppose good news is no news, but bad news sells newspapers.
 
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RE: QF And NZ B744s Involved In Near Miss Over AKL

Tue Apr 12, 2005 7:54 am

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 3):
The media would much rather tell us all about how two planes almost colliding mid air than tell us two aircraft, operating normally, slightly infringed one anothers space and took corrective action. I suppose good news is no news, but bad news sells newspapers.

That is so true. Apparently the QF aircraft was carrying out a normal approach, as was the NZ aircraft. The rules are slightly different while AKL is using the standby runway, and ATC regularly try to squeeze extra movements in where they can. I have witnessed at least a dozen go-arounds in the past week due to aircraft being allowed to line-up as another is on short finals. But you don't see the media giving it to ATC do you???

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RE: QF And NZ B744s Involved In Near Miss Over AKL

Tue Apr 12, 2005 2:22 pm

ATC are also to blame for heaps of these incidents, but the media never blame ATC but only the crew/airline.
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RE: QF And NZ B744s Involved In Near Miss Over AKL

Tue Apr 12, 2005 3:17 pm

The QF aircraft was a 743 VH-EBW and NZ 744 was ZK-NBU.
 
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RE: QF And NZ B744s Involved In Near Miss Over AKL

Tue Apr 12, 2005 8:32 pm

Yeah well, it is easier to blame it on an individual than on the group of ATC. I am not saying that ATC are crap, they do an outstanding job all over the world, I am just saying, do not blame something solely on one party when it is going to be misleading and obviously misinterpreted by the public.

Good thing is, it was an incident, not an accident.
 
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RE: QF And NZ B744s Involved In Near Miss Over AKL

Tue Apr 12, 2005 8:49 pm

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 7):
Good thing is, it was an incident, not an accident.

Or else we would have had another Tenerife, Canary Islands disaster, except both 747s this time were landing
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RE: QF And NZ B744s Involved In Near Miss Over AKL

Tue Apr 12, 2005 9:08 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 5):
but the media never blame ATC but only the crew/airline.

Or the aircraft itself... "autopilot/instruments problems"... typical media line... yeah, could reporters be any less specific, please, for the sake of our complete misunderstanding...  sarcastic ...

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RE: QF And NZ B744s Involved In Near Miss Over AKL

Wed Apr 13, 2005 5:08 am

By chance, I was cabin crew on this flight. Nothing out of the ordinary happened during approach.

I don't think the tech crew were even aware of the QF incursion until after the flight - if they were we probably would've been given a debrief.
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