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US Airways Jetway Gone In ROC

Wed Apr 13, 2005 1:46 pm

Today in KROC/ROC Rochester,NY Gate A4 formally US Airways now Airtran the jetway was taken out. The jetway was owned by US and was leased to Airtran when they moved from the B side to the A side. I have a feeling that the jetway at B9 will be put in at A4 b/c its the counties jetway and Airtran is leasing the bridge from the airport. As for US Airways losing another gate here, is this happening at any other airports medium in size like ROC? Does anyone know where the jetway will go from here?
 
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RE: US Airways Jetway Gone In ROC

Thu Apr 14, 2005 1:21 am

US Airways cut a good chunk of gates at SYR (I'm thinking at least 4 gates) a couple of months back. Exactly how many gates has US cut over there in ROC?
 
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RE: US Airways Jetway Gone In ROC

Thu Apr 14, 2005 4:56 am

GYY (Gary, IN) just got a new bridge about 4 months ago. Its pretty funny we found some saftey cards for USAIR F-100's in it. We think it was from Norfolk, VA.
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RE: US Airways Jetway Gone In ROC

Thu Apr 14, 2005 6:15 am

Just spoke with our ops in ROC and they did indeed take the jetway from B9 and move it to A4. As of 1715 EDT, its hooked up and just waiting on the electrical connections to be completed. Our flight 514 from BWI is scheduled to arrive at 2153 for that gate.

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RE: US Airways Jetway Gone In ROC

Thu Apr 14, 2005 6:46 am

Guess I'll be flying to A concourse for the first time in three years when I fly AirTran home in June. Why did AirTran move to A? Will their ticket counter remain on the east side of the main terminal, or will it move over to the west side?

What's going to become of gates B6 and B9? It's not like a shuffle is needed--AA only needs the gate they have, DH only needs the gate they have, and UA only needs the two they have. Is another carrier looking at ROC?

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RE: US Airways Jetway Gone In ROC

Thu Apr 14, 2005 6:49 am

US Airways has also taken out some jetways at ALB. I was there in October, and there were no jetways on US Airways' gates on the south side of the center concourse. 1998 photos of ALB at http://oldterminals.topcities.com/albany.html show jetways on the south side.

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RE: US Airways Jetway Gone In ROC

Thu Apr 14, 2005 7:48 am

US has way too many jetways and gates in most Northeast cities.
They hold them so no competition can get them.
 
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RE: US Airways Jetway Gone In ROC

Thu Apr 14, 2005 8:09 am

Quoting AEroc (Thread starter):
As for US Airways losing another gate here, is this happening at any other airports medium in size like ROC?

well, i doubt crw is medium sized.. but as far as i know US is getting another jetway for a total of 3. or mabe just another gate, im not sure..

Aeroc, how big is the US operation in roc?
 
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RE: US Airways Jetway Gone In ROC

Thu Apr 14, 2005 8:18 am

US Airways did have probably too much gates at ROC b/c I have flown jetBlue there a couple times and the USAir Gates were never full, and I have been at all different times of the day. They will have all their gates but they will have all their flights cram into the 2/3 Gates at the end of Concourse A. They really don't need that much.
Where did the jetway go that was in Concourse A?

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RE: US Airways Jetway Gone In ROC

Thu Apr 14, 2005 9:05 am

To think that in the mid 80's, the combined US/ Empire-Piedmont ha around 60 daily departures at ROC: generally 35 US mainline, a couple of Piedmont 737's to BWI, 15-18 Empire-Piedmont F-28's, and 6 or 8 prop planes, mostly former Brockway Air as Piedmont commuter. They threw it all away by keeping costs artificially high, and choosing to cut seat capacity and gouge $$. Their loss.

When the new ROC terminal opened in 1992, US had eight gates, which even then they didn't fully use. Now they'll be down to five, all in the departure lounge at the end of A concourse. That should be plenty of space for them nowadays.

I've read in the D & C that Slaybaugh is pressing JetBlue to start ROC-BOS when the EMB-190's come in. For what it's worth, when I was home in March, AirTran agents told me that JetBlue does plan to start the route. JetBlue has also said the Upstate markets will be one of the first places they put EMB-190's to JFK. Figure ROC's 6 daily A320's (as of this summer) will become around 10 daily EMB-190's. ROC-BOS could probably support at most 3 daily E190's to start.

At 13 or so dailies, JetBlue might need a second gate...wonder if they would go over to B for that, or take another US gate. But why wouldn't they just stay in A and take the gates AirTran is taking, and spare AirTran the trouble of moving?

Aeroc will probably know in more detail, but US is probably at 10 or fewer mainline departures from ROC nowadays, with around 25-30 regional departures split between props and RJ's.

Maybe that A concourse jetway is becoming the new CRW jetway that KcrwFlyer speculated about.  Smile

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RE: US Airways Jetway Gone In ROC

Thu Apr 14, 2005 9:06 am

It was on the webcam on the website yesterday. Posted a topic on it.
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RE: US Airways Jetway Gone In ROC

Thu Apr 14, 2005 10:11 am

Well as for USAirways out of ROC I will tell what I know off the top of my head. This is a regular schedule, not like a Saturday operation.

ROC to
BOS 4 ERJ's
LGA 8 or 9 SF3,DH8,ERJ
PIT 2 DH8, 1 Beech
BDL 1 or 2 DH8
CLT 2 A319
PHL 3 A319, 2 DH8, 1 ERJ

There down to nothing and the ramp just went contract. As for gate B6 Airtran still does use that for the one TPA flight. Gate B9 is being used for UA ERJ overnight from IAD. I have not heard anything else as of now for the B concourse......Maybe WN?????????
 
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RE: US Airways Jetway Gone In ROC

Thu Apr 14, 2005 10:17 am

thats a good amount of US there. especially the 9 to lga!
 
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RE: US Airways Jetway Gone In ROC

Thu Apr 14, 2005 11:28 am

Quoting AEroc (Reply 11):



Quoting AEroc (Reply 11):
Well as for USAirways out of ROC I will tell what I know off the top of my head. This is a regular schedule, not like a Saturday operation.

ROC to
BOS 4 ERJ's
LGA 8 or 9 SF3,DH8,ERJ
PIT 2 DH8, 1 Beech
BDL 1 or 2 DH8
CLT 2 A319
PHL 3 A319, 2 DH8, 1 ERJ

USAirways still offers daily service between ROC and DCA using two A319s, and one ERJ170.
 
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RE: US Airways Jetway Gone In ROC

Thu Apr 14, 2005 11:37 am

Is their still some Delta flights out of Concourse A. Last summer their was Delta Comair or Connection or something their that had 2 gates.

Also maybe jetBlue can use one of the US Airways gates just for like 3 flights a day to BOS, so that B6 doesn't have to buy another gate. But US might not give it up b/c then they will be competing on the ROC-BOS route. Who knows!

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RE: US Airways Jetway Gone In ROC

Thu Apr 14, 2005 12:38 pm

According to the AirTran reps I talked to at ROC in March, US is giving up ROC-BOS. Again, take it for what it's worth, it's not from a US Airways spoksperson. I would be surprised if US gave up the route as long as there isn't an LCC on it. It's pretty sad if Rochester's largest carrier can't make a few measly RJ's work to such a major business center.

In the 80's, US routinely had three or four mainline dailies on ROC-BOS, and Empire/Piedmont usually had two or three daily F-28's. And that's just the nonstops; UR/PI usually had a couple of one-stops thru SYR and/or ALB. I'd imagine that JetBlue, with their low fares, could really fire up the enplanements on this formerly-much-denser route.

Delta still uses gates A1 and A3. They have jetways on both gates. Delta has been upping capacity the past year. DL's website shows today: 7x daily ROC-ATL (4 CR7, 3 CRJ) and 4x ROC-CVG (3 CR7, 1 CRJ). For a network carrier at ROC, that's a decent increase from 2003. Then, ATL was 2 CR7/ 5 CRJ and CVG was 3 CRJ. Especially considering that Airtran is in ROC.

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RE: US Airways Jetway Gone In ROC

Thu Apr 14, 2005 2:07 pm

I have heard that rumor as well about US dropping BOS from ROC. I have also heard that Mr. Slaybaugh, our airport director, was pushing AE to get ROC-BOS, however I have not heard anything or for that matter seen anything (except diversions) about BOS-ROC with AE. If US does drop it though I could see AE picking it up, but I think that it would have to be BUF, ROC, SYR, and ALB all dropped by US and picked up by AE, not just ROC getting it.
 
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RE: US Airways Jetway Gone In ROC

Sat Apr 16, 2005 3:53 pm

Thanks to a glitch on the SYR website, I can offer you before/after images of US gates at SYR.

I believe the cuts happened in 2002.

Before:

http://www.syrairport.org/airlines/list/gatemap.cfm

After:

http://www.syrairport.org/services/maps/

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RE: US Airways Jetway Gone In ROC

Sun Apr 17, 2005 3:41 am

Quoting DCA-ROCguy (Reply 9):
Maybe that A concourse jetway is becoming the new CRW jetway that KcrwFlyer speculated about.

i doubt that, were not schedueled to get the jetways on C1 and c4 untill this fall.
 
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RE: US Airways Jetway Gone In ROC

Sun Apr 17, 2005 7:36 am

Kcrw,

Are you getting a regional jetbridge or a mainline jet bridge?

btw.....I was just down in CRW last week. Whats the deal with the whole hillside below the airport with the trees all being clear-cut? I'm talking about the side you see driving down I-77. Are they building anything or just harvesting some timber?
 
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RE: US Airways Jetway Gone In ROC

Sun Apr 17, 2005 9:37 am

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 19):
Kcrw,

Are you getting a regional jetbridge or a mainline jet bridge?

btw.....I was just down in CRW last week. Whats the deal with the whole hillside below the airport with the trees all being clear-cut? I'm talking about the side you see driving down I-77. Are they building anything or just harvesting some timber?

ok heres the whole nine yards. taxiway A is being reolcated where it dips in at the end of rwy 13. it will be straightened. there will be a 500 ft. EMAS put at the end of rwy 5(what you see form 1-77) , this way runway 23 will be able to say statistically that there is 6,802 ft. for departures.

Also with the terminal, there will be a new ramp plan, and terminal expansion. when its all done , (terminal next year, and runway 2 years later), gates c1-4 will all have regional jet-757 jetways ( even NW). gates B1 and b2 will have mainline jetways , and gates a1-5 ( the new concourse to be built) will all also have regional jet - 757 jetways.

theres also a 2nd parking garage being built.