Tom in NO
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TWA Timetable Help Needed

Thu Apr 14, 2005 6:21 am

Got a question for someone with a rather deep timetable collection.....I'm talking TWA's timetable dated January 10, 1955.

I'm looking for the routing and departure/arrival times of TWA flight 260. I know started from ABQ, went to Santa Fe, and ended up finally in Baltimore.

Can someone put the rest together for me?

Tom at MSY

PS: Five points for the person who can guess the significance of TWA 260 (might be so tough for the historians out there).
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RE: TWA Timetable Help Needed

Thu Apr 14, 2005 6:47 am

I used copy & paste function:

The twin-engine plane slammed into the Dragon's Tooth, a prominent rock spire on the northeast edge of Domingo Baca/TWA Canyon. There were no survivors and 16 lives were lost.
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RE: TWA Timetable Help Needed

Thu Apr 14, 2005 7:59 am

Sorry to disappoint, but all I have are 1952 and 56' editions which show the same flight no. but a slightly different routing.
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RE: TWA Timetable Help Needed

Thu Apr 14, 2005 9:22 am

Tom,
Not from the date you specified, but the same flight is shown in the August 1, 1954 timetable:

Depart ABQ: 07:00, Arrival @ Santa Fe not shown, ETA 07:15-07:20?
Depart SAF: 07:30, Arrival @ Amarillo not shown, ETA 09:35-09:40?
Depart AMA: 09:58, Arrival @ Wichita not shown, ETA 11:10-11:15?
Depart ICT: 11:39, Arrival @ Topeka not shown, ETA 12:05-12:10?
Depart TOP: 12:32, Arrives Kansas City: 12:57
Depart MKC: 13:15, Arrival @ Peoria not shown, ETA 15:30-15:35?
Depart PIA: 15:52, Arrives Chicago:16:38
Depart MDW: 17:00, Arrives Dayton: 18:16
Depart DAY: 18:31, Arrives Columbus: 19:00
Depart CMH: 19:20, Arrival @ Washington not shown, ETA 21:35-21:40?
Depart WAS: 22:01, Arrives Baltimore: 22:35

Hope this helps!
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RE: TWA Timetable Help Needed

Thu Apr 14, 2005 9:42 am

PS: Five points for the person who can guess the significance of TWA 260 (might be so tough for the historians out there).


It crashed shortly after takeoff enroute to santa fe. pilot suicide was the first cause stated by the official inquirery, but changed 5 years later to aircraft and procedure malfunction
 
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RE: TWA Timetable Help Needed

Fri Apr 15, 2005 2:53 am

10 Jan 1955 timetable shows

ABQ lv 0700
Santa Fe lv 0731
Amarillo arr 0947 lv 1000
Wichita lv 1150
Topeka lv 1246
KC arr 1313 lv 1340
Peoria lv 1521
MDW arr 1610 lv 1700
Dayton arr 1918 lv 1933
Columbus arr 2004 lv 2024
DCA arr 2205
Baltimore arr 2240
 
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RE: TWA Timetable Help Needed

Fri Apr 15, 2005 3:03 am

Wow ... have to wonder if that flight ever got to Baltimore on time. Was the equipment L749 or M404?
 
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RE: TWA Timetable Help Needed

Fri Apr 15, 2005 3:06 am

M404. Multistop routes like that were common then.
 
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RE: TWA Timetable Help Needed

Fri Apr 15, 2005 4:16 am

It crashed into Sadina mountain, north of ABQ, on a clear morning in 1955. The captain was Ivan Spong. The eq was a Martin 404 headed for its first stop at Santa Fe.
First reports from the CAB was pilot error but a coalition of pilots, mostly from TWA had their own investigation and proved it was more to instrument error.
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RE: TWA Timetable Help Needed

Fri Apr 15, 2005 4:29 am

I had no idea there used to be a direct flight from ABQ-PIA. This was before I was in college, but it would have been really helpful about 12 years later, when I was a college student.
There are stories out there that, Carol Lombard, the late actress was killed in this crash. Dont know how that story ever got started. She was killed in another crash, I believe a TW flight. near Las Vegas.
Dont know if it is still true or not, but back in the late 60s and early 70s, you could still see some small pieces of wreckage from the Sandia Tramway in ABQ.

[Edited 2005-04-14 21:36:27]
 
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RE: TWA Timetable Help Needed

Fri Apr 15, 2005 4:47 am

747FIRSTCLASS....you are right about the wreckage. In 1991 I was on the tram from the surface up to the top of the mountain. The tram passed over part of the fuselage with TWA markings. The tram operator pointed it out but had little details on how long it was there.
I read in a newspaper that the wreckage was removed a couple of years back.
I think Carol Lombard, wife of Clark Gable, was killed in a TWA DC 3, but I am not real sure of that incident.
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RE: TWA Timetable Help Needed

Fri Apr 15, 2005 6:23 am

Sorry it's taken so long for me to get back to every one and to thank you all for your timetable research and help. Played hookey from work this morning, and.....uh.....played golf.

Ever since I read about it in Robert Serling's book "The Probable Cause", the crash of TWA 260 on Sandia Mountain has intrigued me. The mere fact that Captain Spong had asked ABQ ATC not once but twice to confirm an airway intersection tells me that in no way did he intend to fly that plane into the mountain.

I did a bit of research on the internet yesterday about the crash, and came up with some interesting web-sites that include not only the crash itself, but hiking trails in the area of the wreckage and other info:

http://dotlibrary1.specialcollection...dll?websearch&site=dot_aircraftacc (it's not letting me do a direct link) click on "1955", then "Trans World Airlines" (3rd down the list, I believe) for the amendment to the original NTSB report
http://www.abqjournal.com/news/metro/304338metro02-13-05.htm
http://www.hkhinc.com/newmexico/flt206 click on the newspaper images for a story from 25th anniversary
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=8291

From what I read, you can still see wreckage from the tramway (it's almost directly under the tramway; when I rode it back in 1991, I didn't have the info I have now, and I was looking more towards the north side of the tram route. None of my pictures appear to show the exact area. Will have to check the video I shot during that trip. Now I'm itching to go back.), the engines are still up there, along with some other wreckage.

Tom at MSY
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