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Crew Compliments On Different Airlines

Thu Apr 14, 2005 4:23 pm

Hey guys, just a question for all you flight attendants out there; or really for anyone that has the info.
I'm just interested to find out what the different crew compliments are for your airlines; just curious as to whether the number of flight attendants onbaord various aircraft is generally the same, or if there is much change.
At Qantas it's as follows

747 438 - 16FAs
747 338 - 16FAs (I think)
A330 300 - 10FAs
A330 200 - 10FAs
767 336 - 8FAs
767 338 - 7FAs
737 800 - 5FAs
737 400 - 4FAs (unless operating a flight in or out of CBR, then it's 5)
737 300 - 4FAs (but only 1 left if operation now)

Also, on the 767s and the 737s, there is an extra FA when operating a dinner service between MEL-SYD-MEL or MEL-ADL-MEL
 
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RE: Crew Compliments On Different Airlines

Thu Apr 14, 2005 8:04 pm

Emirates:

A310-300 (2class) - 8 FA's
A330-200 (2class) - 10 FA's
A330-200 (3class) - 13 FA's
A340-300 (3class) - 13 FA's
A340-500 (3class) - 14 FA's
B777-200 (2class) - 12 FA's
B777-200 (3class) - 13 FA's
B777-300 (2class) - 14 FA's
B777-300 (3class) - 16 FA's
 
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RE: Crew Compliments On Different Airlines

Thu Apr 14, 2005 8:25 pm

Air NZ

747-400: 14
747-400 (Trans-Tasman): 13
777-200: 10
767-300: 8
A320: 4
A320 domestic: 3
737-300: 3
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RE: Crew Compliments On Different Airlines

Thu Apr 14, 2005 8:54 pm

Southwest Airlines

737-300: 3
737-500: 3
737-700: 3
 
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RE: Crew Compliments On Different Airlines

Thu Apr 14, 2005 9:22 pm

Air Canada A320 series:

A321: 5
A320: 4 (sometimes 5)
A319: 3 (sometimes 4)

A320 or A319 in Jetz configuration: 5 (sometimes 6).
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RE: Crew Compliments On Different Airlines

Thu Apr 14, 2005 9:22 pm

Bouraq: 732 = 3F/As (MD82 formerly 4)
GA all 737 = 5 F/As
Mandala 732 = 4 F/As
Merpati
732 = 5 F/A
733 = 5 F/A
F100 = 5 F/A
Pelita F100 = 5 F/A
Trigana ATR42 = 2 F/A
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RE: Crew Compliments On Different Airlines

Thu Apr 14, 2005 9:36 pm

Air France :

B735 = 3
A318 = 3
A319/A320 = 4
A321 = 5

A332 = 10
A343 = 11
A343 (Caribbean/Indian Ocean) = 8
B772ER = 14
B773ER = 14
B742 Caribean/Indian Ocean = 11
B743 = 12
B744 = 15
B744 YUL & JFK = 16
B744 (Caribbean/Indian Ocean) = 12
 
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RE: Crew Compliments On Different Airlines

Thu Apr 14, 2005 9:46 pm

Hey thanks for the replies guys!!
Just wondering, in regards to having 3 FAs on certain aircraft that have 4 doors (AC, NZ, WN), is there no regulation in these countries requiring 1 FA per door?? ANd in this case, which FAs man which doors?
 
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Thu Apr 14, 2005 9:51 pm

Air Malta
A320 - 4 (168 all economy) 5 (2 class with load > 113)
A319 - 3 (141 all economy) 4 (2 class with load > 95)
B733 - 3 (144 all economy) 4 (2 class with load > 96)
 
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RE: Crew Compliments On Different Airlines

Thu Apr 14, 2005 10:02 pm

VHXLR8 -
The 146 has four primary doors - just like a 737. Yet the 146 can operate here in OZ with just two FAs if only 72 pax or less.
 
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RE: Crew Compliments On Different Airlines

Thu Apr 14, 2005 10:03 pm

Well, concerning the doors, I think it's really 1 FA per set of doors. So the required absolute minimum (speaking in emergency terms, in order to operate the exit) on for example an A320 would be 2, as there are 2 sets of doors (of course, time permitting, the FA will have designated ABPs, Able Bodied Pax, to help in the evacuation).
The overwings are classified as self-help exits, so are not operated by crew.
 
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RE: Crew Compliments On Different Airlines

Thu Apr 14, 2005 10:06 pm

Quoting VHXLR8 (Reply 7):
Just wondering, in regards to having 3 FAs on certain aircraft that have 4 doors (AC, NZ, WN), is there no regulation in these countries requiring 1 FA per door??

 no 

1 F/A per pair of doors and/or 1 F/A for 50 PAX.

Overwing exits are "Exits", not doors.

example :
an A321 with 148 seats would require 3 F/A BUT as the A321 is equipped with 4 pairs of main doors, the minimum required will be 4 F/A, even if there is only 148 seats.

an A321 with 201 seats will require a minimum crew of 5 F/A despite it has only 4 pairs of main doors.
 
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RE: Crew Compliments On Different Airlines

Thu Apr 14, 2005 10:22 pm

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 11):
1 F/A per pair of doors and/or 1 F/A for 50 PAX.

Ok, so quite different to here in Australia. Here it's 1 FA per door and/or 1 FA per 36 pax.

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 11):
the A321 is equipped with 4 pairs of main doors

I believe that the A321 is actually fitted with 2 pairs of main doors, with the others being Type 2 doors (secondary exits).

That's always totally confused me dude, are BAe 146 doors considered doors or exits?? Either way, it's strange, because for everything else (737, 767 etc), there's always 1 FA per door

Quoting Miami1 (Reply 9):
Yet the 146 can operate here in OZ with just two FAs if only 72 pax or less.
 
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RE: Crew Compliments On Different Airlines

Thu Apr 14, 2005 10:33 pm

I don't know the exact numbers for DL but I can tell you that DL imposes the following ratios on its long haul (777 and 767ER) product

- no more than 1 relatively attractive FA per flight (this one is typically the hardest working of the group as well because she is the junior member);
- at least 70% have to be outright ugly;
- at least 85% have to have a bad attitude;
- 100% of the BizE FA's have to be over 65;
- 90% of the BizE FA's have to look annoyed if you ask them for anything.
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Thu Apr 14, 2005 10:42 pm

Quoting VHXLR8 (Reply 12):
I believe that the A321 is actually fitted with 2 pairs of main doors, with the others being Type 2 doors (secondary exits).

Here, the A321 is considered to be equipped with 4 pairs of main doors.
Officially, doors 2 & 3 are not type 1 doors but they are not also type 2 doors... and definately not "exits"


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RE: Crew Compliments On Different Airlines

Thu Apr 14, 2005 10:48 pm

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 14):
Officially, doors 2 & 3 are not type 1 doors but they are not also type 2 doors... and definately not "exits"

Perhaps things are different between our two countries dude, but from as Australian point of view, doors 2&3 on the A321 (as per the photos you posted) are most definfately Type 2. Yes they are still doors (not exits), but they are that bit smaller, and not a primary door in a ditch.
But as I said, things are probably very different from country to country.
 
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Thu Apr 14, 2005 10:56 pm

Quoting Pope (Reply 13):

- at least 70% have to be outright ugly;
- at least 85% have to have a bad attitude;
- 100% of the BizE FA's have to be over 65;
- 90% of the BizE FA's have to look annoyed if you ask them for anything.

The bad attitude part is the only legitimate complaint. The rest is beyond your or anybody else's control. I suggest you consider flying NetJets and bringing a few hooters girls as FA's. Win-win IMO.

Oh, and feel free to explain your radical view of the 'nuclear option'.  Yeah sure
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Thu Apr 14, 2005 11:24 pm

Quoting VHXLR8 (Reply 15):
Perhaps things are different between our two countries dude, but from as Australian point of view, doors 2&3 on the A321 (as per the photos you posted) are most definfately Type 2. Yes they are still doors (not exits), but they are that bit smaller, and not a primary door in a ditch.
But as I said, things are probably very different from country to country.

Yep ! things are probably different from country to country...

Concerning the A321's doors, actually, the door 2 Left is basically the same size than doors 1 & 4 :

Doors 1R/1L & 4R/4L = 1,83m x 0,81m
Doors 2L = 1,85m x 0,76m
Doors 2R/3R/3L = 1,52 x 0,76m
 
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RE: Crew Compliments On Different Airlines

Thu Apr 14, 2005 11:48 pm

In Canada, the minimum cabin crew compliment for the A321 is 5. You may start to board passengers with only 4 aboard, if the pilots are already aboard. But for departure 5 F/As are needed.

FYI, minimum for the A320/A319 is 3.
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RE: Crew Compliments On Different Airlines

Fri Apr 15, 2005 12:56 am

@ SQ

B744 - 17 (3 in P, 3 UD, 3 MD & 8 in Y)
B773 - 15 (3 in P, 5 in J, 7 in Y)
B773 - 16 (4 in P, 5 in J, 7 in Y on CGK flights with PCL load > 13)
B772 - 14 (3 in P, 4 in J, 7 in Y)
B772A- 11 (3 in J, 8 in Y)
B772A- 12 (4 in P, 8 in Y on KUL flights only)
B772ER -11 (4 in J, 7 in Y)
A345 - 14 (4 in Fwd, 5 in Mid, 5 in Aft)

these are crew compliments based on service requirements.
 
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RE: Crew Compliments On Different Airlines

Fri Apr 15, 2005 1:07 am

Aeromexico's

F/As per flighT

  • MD87 (2 class) 4 / (min.) 3
  • MD82/83/88 (2 class) 4 / (min) 3
  • B737-700 (2 class) 4 / (min) 3
  • B757-200 (2 class domestic) 6 / (min) 5
  • B757-200 (2 class intl.) 7 / (min) 5
  • B767-200/300 (2 class) 8 / (min) 5
  • B777-200 (2 class) COMING SOON  Smile


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RE: Crew Compliments On Different Airlines

Fri Apr 15, 2005 1:19 am

BA short haul......

A319 - 4-6
A320 - 4-6
A321 - 5-7
B757 - 5-7
B767 - 8-11

Short haul crewing is dependent on C class booking & flight duration e.g. a half full A319 to CDG with 45 C class will have 6 crew, wheras a full A320 to HEL, with only 15 in C will only have 4 crew.

Long haul......

B767 - 8-9
B777 - 11-14
B744 - 14-16

Above dependent only on aircraft configuration (whether it is a 2, 3 or 4 class aircraft).
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RE: Crew Compliments On Different Airlines

Fri Apr 15, 2005 1:19 am

Northwest Minimum crew
DC9-30=2
DC9-40/50=3
A319/320=3
B757-251=4
B757-351=5
DC10=6
A330=6
B747-251 Standard=9
B747-251 Beach/Charter=10
B747-451=9
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RE: Crew Compliments On Different Airlines

Fri Apr 15, 2005 1:42 am

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 6):
A343 = 11
A343 (Caribbean/Indian Ocean) = 8



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 6):
B744 = 15
B744 YUL & JFK = 16
B744 (Caribbean/Indian Ocean) = 12

Why these differences for the same plane?
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RE: Crew Compliments On Different Airlines

Fri Apr 15, 2005 2:04 am

American Airlines:

S80-----------------3
737-----------------3 Dom/4 Intl/5 added depending on loads/service
757-----------------4 Min./5&6 depending on loads/type of service
767-200-------------6 Min./7-9 depending on loads/type of service
767-200(Transcon)--8Min/9 depending on loads/service
767-300-------------6 min/7-9 depending on loads/service
A300----------------7min/8 depending on loads/service
777-----------------8min/9-11 depending on loads/service
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RE: Crew Compliments On Different Airlines

Fri Apr 15, 2005 2:38 am

America West :

737-300 (134 seats (8/126)) :3
A319 (124 seats (12/112)) : 3
A320 (150 seats (12/138)) : 3
757 (190 seats (14/176)) : 4

All flights, all routes, int'l/domestic. Occasionally a deadheading crewmember will help out, however, this is rare, as we are accustomed to working with the minimum crew.

[Edited 2005-04-14 19:41:23]
 
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Fri Apr 15, 2005 4:10 am

FAA minimums are based on the amount of seats, 1 FA per 50 seats.

That being said, the crew compliments for AQ are:
737-200, 3
737-700, 3 (used to be 4, but the union agreed to change to 3 after bankruptcy)

HA:
717-200, 3
767-300, 8 (with extra FAs on longer flights and PPT and PPG)
 
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RE: Crew Compliments On Different Airlines

Fri Apr 15, 2005 4:16 am

Quoting Icarus75 (Reply 23):
Quoting FlySSC (Reply 6):
A343 = 11
A343 (Caribbean/Indian Ocean) = 8



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 6):
B744 = 15
B744 YUL & JFK = 16
B744 (Caribbean/Indian Ocean) = 12

Why these differences for the same plane?

B744 & A343 on Caribbean/indian Ocean = Different inflight service

B744 YUL & JFK = "short" long-haul flights on an a/c "difficult" to work for F/A.
 
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RE: Crew Compliments On Different Airlines

Fri Apr 15, 2005 4:20 am

At jetBlue:

A320: 156Y --> 4
E190: 100Y --> 2

JBLU
 
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RE: Crew Compliments On Different Airlines

Fri Apr 15, 2005 5:05 am

At IBERIA:


PLANE F/C J/C Y/C F/A

B747/400- * 30 400 11 or 9 to Canaries 3 J/C * 7 Y/C
A340/600 10 42 290 12 2 F/C * 4 J/C * 5 Y/C
A340/600 * 52 300 11 4 J/C * 6 Y/C
A340/300 5 42 202 10 1 F/C * 4 J/C * 4 Y/C
A340/300 * 42 218 9 4 J/C * 4 Y/C
B757/200 * 200 4 all flights
A321 194 4 all flights
A320 162 4 all flights
A319 132 3 all flights
MD88 150 3 all flights
MD87 116 3 all flights

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RE: Crew Compliments On Different Airlines

Fri Apr 15, 2005 6:07 am

Quoting Ha763 (Reply 26):
That being said, the crew compliments for AQ are:
737-200, 3
737-700, 3 (used to be 4, but the union agreed to change to 3 after bankruptcy)

On my March 16 & March 28 AQ 73G flights there were still 4 FAs...As far as I know, the change to three has not happened yet.

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FA Compliments On A/C

Fri Apr 15, 2005 7:39 am

Frontier Airlines-

Airbus A318: 3 FA's
Airbus A319: 3 FA's

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