thestooges
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HNL After Its Days As A Transpacific Stopover

Fri Apr 15, 2005 5:04 pm

As a child flying between the USA and Australia in the 80's, the trip would always involve a stop in Honolulu.

Of course with the advent of the 747-400 the HNL stopover was eliminated in favour of direct non-stop transpacific flights. And I assume that HNL might have been used as a stopover between the USA and cities in Asia.

Of course HNL hasn't suffered a similar fate as that of Gander, but I would assume that it lost quite a bit of traffic as a result.

So can anyone tell me what the effect of longer-range planes and its loss of mandatory trans-pacific stopover status has had on HNL?
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Bluewave 707
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RE: HNL After Its Days As A Transpacific Stopover

Fri Apr 15, 2005 6:10 pm

Honolulu and the state of Hawaii in general is a tourist and resort destination. Those airlines like QF and NZ may have non-stops to the mainland, but they have dedicated flights to/from HNL. Airlines from Asia (NH, JL, CI, and KE) have dedicated flights to/from HNL. They too have non-stops from Asia to the mainland.

HNL can also be used as an emergency stop for those flights mentioned above. A few months ago, a UA 744 had to make an emergency stop @ HNL when they encountered technical challenges in-flight.

HNL is also used as a stopover for smaller types being delivered from Boeing.



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ha763
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RE: HNL After Its Days As A Transpacific Stopover

Fri Apr 15, 2005 6:18 pm

The only real effect is that there is less Asian airlines with service to HNL. Hawaii being a popular tourist destination is why HNL hasn't gone the way of Gander.

HNL growth actually plateaued in the 1990's after constantly growing throughout the 1980's. This is probably mostly due to the amount of flights to Japan, JAL alone had 15+ daily flights during the 1990's. The effects of Sept. 11 and direct flights to the Neighbor Islands actually caused a bigger drop in pax than flights bypassing HNL. Sept. 11 initiall caused a huge drop in international pax arrivals, especially with the Japanese. In 1990, nearly 90% of all pax passed through HNL, now it is around 80%.

Only now are the numbers starting to creep back up. Interisland travel is down and dropping, international arrivals are improving slowly, and mainland arrivals are growing and carriers have been adding flights.
 
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RE: HNL After Its Days As A Transpacific Stopover

Fri Apr 15, 2005 11:40 pm

Honolulu's international traffic "normalized" (as did Anchorage's) with the advent of long-range aircraft like the 747-400. A lot of airlines who used Honolulu solely as a transpacific stop, like Garuda, Malaysian and Singapore Airlines, ended their service.

However, as some others have said, HNL is a huge tourist destination and remains consistently popular among Asians, particularly the Japanese. If you arrive into HNL in the early morning, you'd swear you were at Narita or Kansai - almost every gate on the Ewa Concourse (and even some on Diamond Head) is occupied by a JAL or ANA aircraft.

Korean traffic tends to wax and wane a little more, although Korean Air still maintains a daily flight from Seoul. Asiana tried to enter the market in the early 1990s but the route couldn't sustain two carriers. The same holds true for Taiwan - China Airlines still flies to HNL, but when EVA Air tried the route in the mid-1990s it quickly pulled out.

Philippine Airlines returned to HNL in the late 1990s and still flies an A340 from Manila a few times per week.
 
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RE: HNL After Its Days As A Transpacific Stopover

Sat Apr 16, 2005 3:44 am

Quoting Bluewave 707 (Reply 1):
HNL can also be used as an emergency stop for those flights mentioned above. A few months ago, a UA 744 had to make an emergency stop @ HNL when they encountered technical challenges in-flight.

I failed to mention that the flight was from LAX to SYD.

Many years ago that flight when UA used 742s, used to stop @ HNL for fuel to & fro. It was also that route where one of the 742s lost its forward cargo door while gaining altitude after leaving HNL (UAL811?).

FlyteComm lists a few flights that PR has from LAX and SFO stopping @ HNL for fuel before continuing to MNL.
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RE: HNL After Its Days As A Transpacific Stopover

Sat Apr 16, 2005 6:07 am

Dosn't PAL Still "Tech Stop" SFO-HNL-MNL ;LAX-HNL-MNL ???? 747-400

Still PR can make it to MNL full Full Load PAX and Bags???? Sometimes they Fuel in GUM Enroute to MNL....

KE SQ also used to Fuel stop Enroute to Mainland....but flying HNL-LAX with no Traffic rights costs plenty.....

"Tech Stops" Are soon becoming a thing of the Past..

Speaking of PAL how is MNL-YVR-LAS Doing ????
 
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RE: HNL After Its Days As A Transpacific Stopover

Sat Apr 16, 2005 6:23 am

Quoting COSPN (Reply 5):
Dosn't PAL Still "Tech Stop" SFO-HNL-MNL ;LAX-HNL-MNL ???? 747-400

They still do. The flights arrive late at night and I believe have pax rights.