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Former DL Intl. Routes From MCO

Mon Apr 18, 2005 3:40 am

MCO-LAX-NRT, specifically. I was curious about some of the history behind this route. When did it start/end? What caused it to be axed? Could we see it returned in the future?

What were some of the others they operated?


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RE: Former DL Intl. Routes From MCO

Mon Apr 18, 2005 3:49 am

There really isn't any history to the route. Delta simply decided to give MCO-LAX and LAX-NRT the same flight number. When LAX-NRT ended, it was operating as CVG-LAX-NRT.

Delta flew to Paris and Frankfurt from Orlando in the early 90s. They also once announced plans for a Latin American hub at MCO, with destinations such as Guatemala City, but none of the flights ever operated. In the late 1990s, they were planning to launch Orlando-Caracas and Orlando-Santiago de Chile. Never started either.
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RE: Former DL Intl. Routes From MCO

Mon Apr 18, 2005 3:55 am

I miss the Frankfurt route...  hissyfit 
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RE: Former DL Intl. Routes From MCO

Mon Apr 18, 2005 4:07 am

MCO would have been an excellent Latin America hub...not only because of the large hispanic population in Orlando (*joking*), but because of the size and potential of the airport...not to mention the support it has from Song (had with Delta Express). Ahhh well, chalk it up to another beautiful airport's potential being blown...

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RE: Former DL Intl. Routes From MCO

Mon Apr 18, 2005 4:33 am

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 3):
not only because of the large Hispanic population in Orlando

You might be joking, but it is quite true. You have a valid point. MCO is an airport I always hoped that would be served by LAN. That is just for starters.
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RE: Former DL Intl. Routes From MCO

Mon Apr 18, 2005 4:47 am

Quoting Piedmontnut (Reply 4):
MCO is an airport I always hoped that would be served by LAN. That is just for starters.

LAN tried it. Varig tried it. So did Aeropostal. And Mexicana. And TransBrasil. They all failed. The only traffic is low-yielding lesiure traffic. LAN's service lasted less than six months after a miserable performance.

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RE: Former DL Intl. Routes From MCO

Mon Apr 18, 2005 4:55 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
LAN tried it.

It's odd really considering the large Latino population living in the area. I guess it's just one of those things that makes you go, hmm???  boggled 
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RE: Former DL Intl. Routes From MCO

Mon Apr 18, 2005 5:00 am

Quoting Piedmontnut (Reply 6):

It's odd really considering the large Latino population living in the area. I guess it's just one of those things that makes you go, hmm???

No, there is not much to question. The yield is terrible on routes to Orlando, so airlines just rather put passengers on a codeshare to Miami, where yield is strong. The large Latin population in Orlando is almost entirely from the Caribbean - Cuba, Puerto Rico, and the Dominican Republic - not South America.
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RE: Former DL Intl. Routes From MCO

Mon Apr 18, 2005 5:08 am

There used to be non-stop service between MCO and MEX, right? I flew BOS-MCO-MEX with DL in 1995 and I think the MCO-MEX portion was also on DL metal.
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RE: Former DL Intl. Routes From MCO

Mon Apr 18, 2005 5:20 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
No, there is not much to question. The yield is terrible on routes to Orlando, so airlines just rather put passengers on a codeshare to Miami, where yield is strong. The large Latin population in Orlando is almost entirely from the Caribbean - Cuba, Puerto Rico, and the Dominican Republic - not South America.

I guess the large Peruvian population in my community south of Orlando is the exception rather than the rule then. Perhaps things will change in the near future now that MCO serves more pax than MIA.

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RE: Former DL Intl. Routes From MCO

Mon Apr 18, 2005 5:26 am

Quoting Piedmontnut (Reply 9):
Perhaps things will change in the near future now that MCO serves more pax than MIA.

No, things probably won't change. Just because MCO serves more passengers than MIA (which has absolutley nothing to do with anything and shouldn't come as shocking...the Miami area has three airports, Orlando has one, and Sanford, which lacks scheduled service) doesn't mean the market has changed.

The Peruvian population in Orlando is less than 5,000. Smaller than NYC, Newark, Miami, Jersey City, LA, Chicago, Orange County, and Houston, among others.

Orlando's largest Latino populations...

1) Puerto Rican...146,000
2) Mexican...34,000
3) Cuban...19,000
4) Colombian...17,000
5) Domincian....15,000

Nothing else is larger than 6,000.

[Edited 2005-04-17 22:30:16]
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RE: Former DL Intl. Routes From MCO

Mon Apr 18, 2005 5:31 am

Didn't AA try to operate some routes from Orlando to South America in the late 90's?
 
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RE: Former DL Intl. Routes From MCO

Mon Apr 18, 2005 5:33 am

Quoting US330 (Reply 11):
Didn't AA try to operate some routes from Orlando to South America in the late 90's?

Yes, they unsuccessfully flew MCO-GRU-GIG for about five months in 1999.
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RE: Former DL Intl. Routes From MCO

Mon Apr 18, 2005 5:36 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
The Peruvian population in Orlando is less than 5,000. Smaller than NYC, Newark, Miami, Jersey City, LA, Chicago, Orange County, and Houston, among others.

Yes, thank you for those facts. But as I mentioned for the sake of my friends I hope one day they can have permanent service to South America out of MCO. It will cut some amount of time off of their travel to and from their home country(s).

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RE: Former DL Intl. Routes From MCO

Mon Apr 18, 2005 5:40 am

Quoting Piedmontnut (Reply 13):
Yes, thank you for those facts. But as I mentioned for the sake of my friends I hope one day they can have permanent service to South America out of MCO. It will cut some amount of time off of their travel to and from their home country(s).

It is definitley feasable in the future. I think the best shot would be Avianca to Bogota, because that could offer MCO service to what is probably it's second largest South American market, after Sao Paulo, and act as a good connecting point. However, COPA's Orlando-Panama City service, which will soon be increasing to 6x weekly, offers excellent connections throughout South America.
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RE: Former DL Intl. Routes From MCO

Mon Apr 18, 2005 5:43 am

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 8):
There used to be non-stop service between MCO and MEX, right? I flew BOS-MCO-MEX with DL in 1995 and I think the MCO-MEX portion was also on DL metal.

I think you have to connect in Atlanta now. Can someone confirm?
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RE: Former DL Intl. Routes From MCO

Mon Apr 18, 2005 5:45 am

Quoting Piedmontnut (Reply 15):

I think you have to connect in Atlanta now. Can someone confirm?

On Delta metal, yes. Though AeroMexico flies Orlando-Mexico City non-stop Thursdays through Sundays.
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RE: Former DL Intl. Routes From MCO

Mon Apr 18, 2005 5:51 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14):
I think the best shot would be Avianca to Bogota

A very good point. The Copa is a good option as well. The TAM service, has it been discontinued? I believe it ran through MIA? Just saw an Air Canada bird heading into MCO from the view out my window.

Very nice talking to you. You are a quite a book of knowledge, thank you.
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RE: Former DL Intl. Routes From MCO

Mon Apr 18, 2005 6:04 am

Quoting US330 (Reply 11):
Didn't AA try to operate some routes from Orlando to South America in the late 90's?

Doesn't AA still use the A300-600 on the Caribbean route(s) out of MCO? Additionally I believe DL uses a few aircraft out of MCO into the Caribbean excluding Puerto Rico.
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RE: Former DL Intl. Routes From MCO

Mon Apr 18, 2005 7:27 am

Quoting Piedmontnut (Reply 18):
Doesn't AA still use the A300-600 on the Caribbean route(s) out of MCO?

Only to SJU.

Quoting Piedmontnut (Reply 18):
Additionally I believe DL uses a few aircraft out of MCO into the Caribbean excluding Puerto Rico.

If you include NAS as Caribbean yes (DL thrice (soon 4) daily RJ service, and AA 1 daily AT7).
 
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RE: Former DL Intl. Routes From MCO

Mon Apr 18, 2005 8:05 am

Orlando's only Caribbean service is to Montego Bay and San Juan. Orlando also has service to Bermuda and Nassau, which aren't in the Caribbean, but typically considered Caribbean destinations.
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RE: Former DL Intl. Routes From MCO

Mon Apr 18, 2005 9:13 am

Ecuatoriana used to fly there colorful 707's (720?) into MCO in the late 80's
 
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RE: Former DL Intl. Routes From MCO

Mon Apr 18, 2005 11:06 am

Quoting Crownvic (Reply 21):
Ecuatoriana used to fly there colorful 707's (720?) into MCO in the late 80's

Now I bet that was quite a sight. Lovely livery...

(Off Topic) How are you Crownvic? It's me, Ron...
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