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Air France A300 Etops In 1976?

Mon Apr 18, 2005 7:18 am

Couldn't find the thread-- but a while back guys were discussing early ETOPS flights and somebody said Air France flew an A300 from JFK to the Caribbean in the late 1970s. Sure nuff, the 3/76 OAG shows a nonstop A300 from JFK to Pointe a Pitre. Of course they could stay within 60 minutes/400 nm (or whatever) of an airport with a moderate dogleg, but seems to me the guy said they did get outside the 60-minute limit. Anybody heard of such a thing at that time?

Would it have to be an A300B2 in 3/76? Would that be a longish trip for a B2?
 
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RE: Air France A300 Etops In 1976?

Mon Apr 18, 2005 9:49 pm

AF received its first A300B4 (F-BVGG) in Nov.1975

In 1976, AF had quite a small fleet (9 a/c) of A300 :

- B2 : F-BVGA/B/C/D/E/F
- B4 : F-BVGG/H & F-ODCY

JFK-PTP is 2949km (1832mi) which is a too long distance for a -B2
 
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RE: Air France A300 Etops In 1976?

Mon Apr 18, 2005 11:22 pm

Wouldn't the registration F-ODCY indicate that it was registered in the DOM's, so there would be indeed a chance that this particular aircraft was used on the JFK-PTP run?
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RE: Air France A300 Etops In 1976?

Tue Apr 19, 2005 12:58 am

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 1):
JFK-PTP is 2949km (1832mi) which is a too long distance for a -B2

According to airliners.net tech information the B2 has a max range of 3430km (1850nm) and could do the JFK-PTP leg. But how did it come to JFK ?
 
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RE: Air France A300 Etops In 1976?

Tue Apr 19, 2005 1:02 am

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 3):
According to airliners.net tech information

Never use A.net's information

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 3):
But how did it come to JFK ?

It was likely based in PTP
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RE: Air France A300 Etops In 1976?

Tue Apr 19, 2005 3:17 am

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 3):
According to airliners.net tech information the B2 has a max range of 3430km

That's the performance given by the manufacturer but "in real", with full load, with high air temperature, I can tell you that the preformnaces were less :

AF had often problems on ATH-CDG, in summer. And couldn't fly TLV-CDG nonstop.

ATH-CDG is only 2112 km and TLV-CDG is 3288 km.
 
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RE: Air France A300 Etops In 1976?

Tue Apr 19, 2005 4:34 am

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 2):
Wouldn't the registration F-ODCY indicate that it was registered in the DOM's, so there would be indeed a chance that this particular aircraft was used on the JFK-PTP run?

No. It doesn't mean anything : The A320 based now in PTP is registered F-GKXC. And actually, F-ODCY was never really usd by AF. It was painted in AF's livery but used by Airbus Industries. It was later sold to Hapag LLoyd, Dan Air London, Air Inter, and since 1995 by Grand Air.

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