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Tue Apr 19, 2005 12:25 pm



Nice flash piece.

Nice that it starts on Independence day.

What's the range on the A340-300? This must be coming close to that.

I am also surprised that the time difference between NYC is only 5 hours.

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Tue Apr 19, 2005 12:28 pm

Could you elaborate a bit more on your post please. I can hardly understand the meaning of it!
 
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Tue Apr 19, 2005 12:31 pm

The route doesn't really stretch the plane's range. Papeete is closer to New York City than Tokyo, Hong Kong, and Seoul.
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Tue Apr 19, 2005 12:31 pm

Sorry, when I went to edit my original post (spell check had suggested Nui with NIH, and I pressed "replace" by mistake), it took out the web link.

Here it is:

http://www.nyctotahitinonstop.com

Apologies,

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Tue Apr 19, 2005 12:32 pm

What is the flight time?

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Tue Apr 19, 2005 2:27 pm

Quoting Planemannyc (Reply 4):
What is the flight time?

About 11:30 eastbound, about 13 west
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Tue Apr 19, 2005 10:28 pm

i was out at JFK the other day and there are signs up for TN at terminal 4
 
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Tue Apr 19, 2005 10:43 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
Papeete is closer to New York City than Tokyo, Hong Kong, and Seoul.

According to their website, JFK is 500 miles farther than NRT.

I hope they do well on this route, if not, they can always come to IAD.  Smile
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Tue Apr 19, 2005 10:56 pm

I'm a fan of Air Tahiti Nui, but I have to say, I see this as a big money-loser like TG (reference to another thread about TG's likely losses on JFK-BKK).

First, there's a weak sales drive. No one knows about this. I have seen no ads in NYC, on TV, billboards, newspapers, anywhere - with the lone exception of nyt.com.

Secondly, as a lifelong NYC resident, I can't think of a single person from here whom I've ever heard of vacationing in Tahiti; or anywhere in the Pacific beyond Hawaii, for that matter. There's a reason there are so many flights to the Caribbean. Not to say that this flight won't increase demand, but as it is now, the demand hardly exists for this flight.

Anyone from NYC goint to PPT can already connect through LAX. That's fine! And obviously you're unable to connect anywhere past PPT. Just don't see the point of this. We don't need this at all. I don't see this lasting long.

I feel like Air Tahiti Nui is doing this more to prove something about themselves to the outisde world. Like this is an attempt at self-validation, to show that they're a big-time airline because they fly to JFK.
 
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Tue Apr 19, 2005 11:56 pm

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 8):
And obviously you're unable to connect anywhere past PPT.

According the Air Tahiti Nui's schedules, the flights will begin and end in SYD with PPT only being a 1- to 2-hour stop.
 
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Wed Apr 20, 2005 12:02 am

Quoting Jdaniel001 (Reply 7):

According to their website, JFK is 500 miles farther than NRT.

From PPT. I was saying that NYC is closer to Papeete than it is to Tokyo, not that Papeete is closer to NYC than it is to Tokyo.

PPT-NRT: 5863mi
PPT-JFK: 6289mi
JFK-NRT: 6745mi
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Wed Apr 20, 2005 12:09 am

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 8):
First, there's a weak sales drive. No one knows about this. I have seen no ads in NYC, on TV, billboards, newspapers, anywhere - with the lone exception of nyt.com

Actually there is a billboard on Houston between Greene and Wooster (I think) for www.nyctotahitinonstop.com. However there is no mention of Air Tahiti Nui or anything for that matter. It has some lines representing NYC then connected to some other lines that I can only assume look like a Tahitian mask of some sort. To the lay person they'd likely have no idea what the billboard is trying to represent.
 
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Wed Apr 20, 2005 12:10 am

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 8):
Secondly, as a lifelong NYC resident, I can't think of a single person from here whom I've ever heard of vacationing in Tahiti; or anywhere in the Pacific beyond Hawaii, for that matter.

That's what I was thinking too. You should be an "on call" sales rep for the airline. They probably need a fan in NYC.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
From PPT. I was saying that NYC is closer to Papeete than it is to Tokyo, not that Papeete is closer to NYC than it is to Tokyo.

Sorry, misread.
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Wed Apr 20, 2005 1:54 am

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 8):
First, there's a weak sales drive. No one knows about this. I have seen no ads in NYC, on TV, billboards, newspapers, anywhere - with the lone exception of nyt.com.



Quoting Airzim (Reply 11):
Actually there is a billboard on Houston between Greene and Wooster

There is another on 18th Street and 7th Avenue. I feel their ads are very low key. I think given the cold winter we have had, any photo of sunny Tahiti would be more effective. But then again, I am not a creative director.

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 8):
Secondly, as a lifelong NYC resident, I can't think of a single person from here whom I've ever heard of vacationing in Tahiti; or anywhere in the Pacific beyond Hawaii, for that matter. There's a reason there are so many flights to the Caribbean. Not to say that this flight won't increase demand, but as it is now, the demand hardly exists for this flight.

I do know some couples who have honeymooned there, but I agree that it is a great psychological barrier to ask someone to be 14:00 on a flight to get to paradise, whereas the competition (Caribbean) is only 3-5 hours away. I think again, their ad could be more to that point -- come see the real paradise and show why Tahiti stands out (if there is such differentiation). Finally, no mention of perhaps connecting service to Sydney, which if they offered, may also draw some customers.

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Wed Apr 20, 2005 4:01 am

So Air Tahiti Nui has at least two ads on bus stops in Manhattan that give the newyorktotahitinonstop.com web address, and don't even state the airline's name? And it doesn't even mention the possibility of connecting to SYD?

That is one sorry marketing campaign. It's almost hard to take them seriously. This is really similar to TG, for those of you who have read the TG to JFK thread. Why are they even going to the trouble? Is it just for their image, so they can announce to the world that they fly to JFK?
 
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Wed Apr 20, 2005 4:17 am

They don't have to. That's why travel agents exist. All or most travel to Tahiti from the US are packaged vacations booked through travel agencies. As long as the TA's knows about it, that's all that matters and belive me, they know. Besides, the Caribbean is not that popular in the Summer.

Another important factor is that this is actually a JFK-SYD flight with a stop in PPT. I can see some business travelers taking advantage of this route to spend a couple of R&R days in Tahiti on their way to/from NYC.
 
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Wed Apr 20, 2005 4:18 am

THere are ads here in the Washington Post. They also have a deal where you can fly to Tahiti and stay in a 4 star hotel for about $ 2800 all inclusive.

It sounds amazing. I may do it.
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Wed Apr 20, 2005 4:25 am

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 14):
So Air Tahiti Nui has at least two ads on bus stops in Manhattan that give the newyorktotahitinonstop.com web address, and don't even state the airline's name? And it doesn't even mention the possibility of connecting to SYD?

Actually the billboard is huge encompassing the entire side of the building. It looks very similar to the layout of the web page intro.
 
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Wed Apr 20, 2005 5:57 am

From personal experience, I'd welcome this from the East Coast. My partner and I flew to Tahiti last May with a connection at LAX -- UA non-stop from IAD to LAX. We would have much preferred a short flight to JFK (although that's certainly not my favorite airport!) and then non-stop to Tahiti. On our return from our Tahiti vacation, at least 5 passengers from Air Tahiti Nui in LAX connected to our same flight to IAD on UA. Obviously I don't know the economics of this, but if offered the JFK vs LAX connection from Washington, I'd leap at the JFK option. And, by the way, the Air Tahiti Nui service in Business Class was first rate!

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Wed Apr 20, 2005 6:06 am

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 15):
Besides, the Caribbean is not that popular in the Summer.

The demand for most tropical beach destinations decreases in the summer.

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 8):
Anyone from NYC goint to PPT can already connect through LAX.

Precisely. The demand for nonstop service is minute. The existing service via LAX connections is more than enough to handle both existing and future demand.

TN expanding to JFK nonstops is nothing more than the carrier's ego run amok. Like TG to BKK, there are plenty of other options to handle the demand, and not enough local demand to fill the aircraft on an ongoing basis. This flight will really put a financial dent into an otherwise very good operation.
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Wed Apr 20, 2005 9:39 am

Well all i know is that if i want to go to the beach there is noway i'm going to fly for 13 hours, when i could just pop down to the caribbean in 4 hours time
 
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Wed Apr 20, 2005 9:55 am

Air Tahiti flying to NYC should work well over time.
A French person going to Tahiti on holiday can stop off in NYC. Not necessarily an unappealing idea. Somebody from NZ/Aust can fly straight to New York with a stop off in Tahiti, for many people more appealing than via Los Angeles. You also have to look at it from the perspective of Emirates looking to fly AKL-JFK and just about everything else. This changes everything in my view. You can expect over time more cities in North America to have flights downunder. To be more competitive on Aust/NZ/US routes airlines like NZ and TN will fly to more destinations in North America. This gets their premium cabins closer to the market rather than just flying out of California.
 
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Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:09 am

Quoting RichardJF (Reply 21):
This gets their premium cabins closer to the market rather than just flying out of California

There's only one flaw with that statement. 80% of the USA-Tahiti market originates in California, Oregon and Washington. Unless the Tahiti tourist board is going to get out there and convince New Yorkers to fly 13 hours to Tahiti instead of 4 hours to the Caribbean, I just don't see it happening. Further, although accommodation and food in the Caribbean can be expensive, there are an enormous number of package deals that keep prices extremely competitive. Tahiti cannot even come close in its pricing based on just food and lodging. Try selling that to New Yorkers!

I'm not saying that there aren't New Yorkers who will jump at the chance for a nonstop flight to Tahiti. I'm just saying that there aren't enough to make it the service financially viable. Further, for TN to compete with QF and NZ for the beyond market, they would have to offer daily service to attract the business market. That's just way too many seats in the back cabin to sustain.
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Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:19 am

having been to Tahiti and the Carribean both, Tahiti is a much more expensive place to vacation. There is a plus and minus to this. The plus is it doesnt really matter what Air Tahiti Nui charges, people will pay, because the people going to Tahiti are upper class wealthy Americans anyways. The minus... is that that is a small amount of people, considering the huge middle class, most of whom can afford a trip to the carribean. There are no cheap resorts in Tahiti, and no cheap deals. If you go to Tahiti, be prepared to spend a lot of money. This goes for everything. As far as i remember... outside of Papeete... there's not many places to eat besides the hotel restaurants... and those are ripoffs, with drinks (ala COKE) $4-7.

The other thing i am thinking of... is Air France flies their 744 frmo CDG. 1/2 of the passangers on the LAX-PPT leg are French, so if they are willing to spend two days on an airplane, i am sure the upper class of New York will spend 13 hours to get there as well.

From my point of view, Tahiti is not comparable to the carribean. It is like comparing North/South Carolina to the Dominican Republic or St. Maarten or Aruba, both are beaches... but only a fraction of those in the carolinas could afford to go to the carribean... you get the point

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Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:51 am

Even if ATN were to try to siphon JFK-SYD traffic, they will have a problem in not having a daily service from either point. If business passengers were to use ATN to get to JFK or SYD, they may be looking for more flexibility to fly any day of the week (and in short notices).

My additional $0.02.

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Thu Apr 21, 2005 2:00 am

Quoting PA110 (Reply 22):
Unless the Tahiti tourist board is going to get out there and convince New Yorkers to fly 13 hours to Tahiti instead of 4 hours to the Caribbean

I think you've never been to Tahiti ... or you would never even think of making that kind of comparison.

In that case, why would Californian go to Tahiti, when they can go to closer Hawaii ?

Most of you think JFK = New Yorkers tourists or northern American tourists, but seem to forget the big potential of Canadian tourists, particularly the French speaking Canadians from Quebec.
 
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Thu Apr 21, 2005 2:10 am

Fly SSC, it's dangerous to make assumptions.
1. I've been to Tahiti several times. Living on the West Coast and working in the industry affords me that luxury.
2. You assume that just because folks from Quebec speak french, they will automatically want to go to Tahiti. They actually favor Florida and Arizona, but that's beside the point. If language were to influence their decision, I guess they would all be found in St. Martin, Martinique, Guadeloupe, or St. Barthelmy.

Potential does not equal reality. The same barriers exist amongst French Canadians as New Yorkers... a connection to JFK + a 13 hour flight to a very expensive destination, versus direct flights from YUL to the Caribbean with an abundance of inexpensive air+hotel packages.
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Thu Apr 21, 2005 2:44 am

What is amazing is all the people here who seem to know better than the executives of a well run airline  Smile

Trust me, if there was no market they wouldn't be flying the route. If any city can fill airplane seats to just about any destination, it's the tri-state area.
 
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Thu Apr 21, 2005 2:57 am

Airbaz "What is amazing is all the people here who seem to know better than the executives of a well run airline

Trust me, if there was no market they wouldn't be flying the route. If any city can fill airplane seats to just about any destination, it's the tri-state area"

Well Airbaz, have you taken a look at the industry recently? We surely can't be doing any worse than these incompetens are doing


FlySSC"
I think you've never been to Tahiti ... or you would never even think of making that kind of comparison.

In that case, why would Californian go to Tahiti, when they can go to closer Hawaii ?

Most of you think JFK = New Yorkers tourists or northern American tourists, but seem to forget the big potential of Canadian tourists, particularly the French speaking Canadians from Quebec.

Well I have been to both. Tahiti is more expensive. And the hours spent on a metal bus can be spent lazing on a white sand beach. Thank you very much
 
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Thu Apr 21, 2005 4:20 am

Interestingly enough having been to Bora Bora and told people about this incredible place most people did not even know where Tahiti, Bora Bora, Moorea are on a map and some even thought Bora Bora was some fictitious place that didn't exist! Kind of like saying "I'm headed to Timbuktu and back". Should be interesting to see how the route does from New York.
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Thu Apr 21, 2005 4:24 am

Quoting Corsair2 (Reply 29):
some even thought Bora Bora was some fictitious place that didn't exist! Kind of like saying "I'm headed to Timbuktu and back"

Funny, Timbuktu exists as well.
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Thu Apr 21, 2005 5:02 am

Hehe, on the flash animation of the newyorktotahitinonstop website, the aircraft doesn't even land at Tahiti, but at Bora Bora. Tahiti Faaa airport is for sure not as sexy as Bora Bora's one lol.
 
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Thu Apr 21, 2005 5:57 am

Quoting PA110 (Reply 26):
a connection to JFK + a 13 hour flight to a very expensive destination,

I don't think that any posts have suggested that French Polynesia will become the new St. Maarten or Dominican Republic. Air Tahiti Nui will, instead, enter a niche market that definitely exists. One needs to only look to Europe to see that the upper middles are willing to spend 12-hours on an airplane for vacations. For example, Air Seychelles is successful on its flights from Europe to the Indian Ocean. The Seychelles are at least 10-hours by air, and are very expensive. Another example, includes the popularity of the beaches of Thailand and the non-stop flights between London and Phuket.
 
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Thu Apr 21, 2005 6:54 am

Quoting Gte439u (Reply 32):
I don't think that any posts have suggested that French Polynesia will become the new St. Maarten or Dominican Republic. Air Tahiti Nui will, instead, enter a niche market that definitely exists.

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exactly!
It would easily be the best route to get from New Zealand to New York I don't see why it won't work. It is not comparable to the Caribbean.
 
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Thu Apr 21, 2005 8:03 am

Personally I don't think travel time have so much to do with. Once you have reached your paradise you've totally forgot about how long time it took to get there.

Quoting Gte439u (Reply 32):
For example, Air Seychelles is successful on its flights from Europe to the Indian Ocean. The Seychelles are at least 10-hours by air, and are very expensive. Another example, includes the popularity of the beaches of Thailand and the non-stop flights between London and Phuket.

The difference is that Phuket and Thailand overall is pretty cheap. Anybody who can afford the ticket can also live there for a time.
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Thu Apr 21, 2005 8:11 am

lets see what, nz and ek do, plans are being drwan up to fly form akl to jfk direct, in the next couple of years, so there must be the pax there ..
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Thu Apr 21, 2005 12:45 pm

I saw the much mentioned ad in The Village last week...It took a moment for me to realize it was an Air Tahiti Nui ad.

I like subtle marketing...but it was not a large ad and I doubt that kind of marketing will work in a place where people are too busy to notice.
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Thu Apr 21, 2005 1:56 pm

I've been to Hawaii and the Caribbean. They were beautiful places however it was a fast pace paradise full of traffic, petty crime, busy restaurants and people. In roughly 11-13 hours, you could be in a rarely traveled to and slower paced corner of the world with just a handful of locals and tourists visiting from all over the world. You just about have the place to yourself. That would be a rather enticing draw if I lived in some chaotic neighborhood in Manhattan, Queens, or Jersey for that matter.

The distance is not as bad as you think:
JFK to PPT (6300 miles) 11 hours (+/-)

EWR/JFK to HNL (4980 miles) 9 hours
JFK to TLV (5672 miles) 10 hours
JFK to EZE (6121 miles) 10-11 hours
LHR to the Maldives (MLE) (5308 miles) 9-10 hours
LAX to SYD (7502 miles) is 13 hours
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Mon Apr 25, 2005 3:13 am

Great to hear that.

Actually TN is expanding quite carefully but they seem to be doing good on each route they opened.

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Mon Apr 25, 2005 3:39 am

Waiting for the TN 345's to start service. That would be a great a/c for the route.


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Mon Apr 25, 2005 3:52 am

That's a pretty exciting flight to add. A lot of the NY guys are pumped.

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Mon Apr 25, 2005 4:05 am

Quoting Planemannyc (Reply 24):
Even if ATN were to try to siphon JFK-SYD traffic, they will have a problem in not having a daily service from either point. If business passengers were to use ATN to get to JFK or SYD, they may be looking for more flexibility to fly any day of the week (and in short notices).

Well, seeing as the existing 1-stop via LAX with QF is only 3 days a week, they don't have much of a choice.

Quoting AirlineBrat (Reply 37):
LAX to SYD (7502 miles) is 13 hours

Actually, LAX-SYD is over 14.5 hours with SYD-LAX being 13.5
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Mon Apr 25, 2005 4:08 am

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 39):
Waiting for the TN 345's to start service. That would be a great a/c for the route.

It would be a waste. JFK-PPT a "super long haul". It is even shorter than JFK-NRT. It is well within the A343s range.
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Mon Apr 25, 2005 5:27 am

Firstly, Air Tahiti Nui is not getting the A345, they did study the type for a PPT-CDG nonstop and elected against it - the airline determined that it would be far too expensive to maintain a fleet of only one A345. Service to CDG will continue to route via LAX and the airline is getting an additional A343 for the new service to JFK and SYD (plus an extra flight to Japan, I think, I am not certain).

The JFK flight will work - people are always looking for new and exciting destinations - think "outside of the box" - all of those NewYorkers who have been to the Caribbean many times will certainly consider a new and exotic destination such as Tahiti and her islands once effecient nonstop service is available from JFK. The NYC catchment area is huge, and lots of residents can afford a trip to Tahiti, so the flights will fill up. Many of the seats on the flights are likely to be sold via package tours marketed by travel agents. And, we are only talking about 3 flights per week.....just think how many flights there are from JFK/EWR/LGA to the Bahamas, Bermuda, the Caribbean and Mexican beach resorts each day.

The flight is scheduled to operate JFK=PPT-SYD, Air Tahiti Nui wants a piece of the NewYork-Australia market and will give Qantas some competition. The route via Tahiti will be rather fast and many pax will be interested in stopping over in Tahiti on the way to or from Australia. Also, some pax will be more than happy to avoid LAX (there are some airports that people love to hate - JFK, LHR and LAX come to mind) and pax may try the Tahiti service for that reason alone.

Lastly, some may not be aware that two cruise ships maintain their home port in Papette - the Tahitian Princess of Princess Lines and the Paul Gaugin of Radisson Seven Seas cruises, the Pacific Princess of Princess Lines also uses Tahiti as its home port for a portion of the year. The cruise lines have been working with Air Tahiti Nui for the past couple of years (eliminating the need for some charters - when Renassiance Cruises operated out of Tahiti, two Hawaiian Airlines DC10-30s, which were leased from CO, shuttled passengers between PPT and LAX since there was not adequate lift out of PPT) and I am sure that the cruise lines encouraged TN to open the JFK route so that an easy and effecient east coast gateway could be offered.

And, Tahiti and her islands are beautiful, and well worth the trip. Yes, its expensive, and far away, and isolated, and the resorts tend to cater only to upmarket travellers and charge high prices, but think about it, that part of the charm and mystique of going to an exotic destination.
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Ads On Nonstop NYC-Tahiti

Mon Apr 25, 2005 8:22 am

Quoting PA110 (Reply 22):
There's only one flaw with that statement. 80% of the USA-Tahiti market originates in California, Oregon and Washington.

...and the other 20% is from the Chicagoland area!

This flight will only work if it is made daily and to fill it with 90% JFK/SYD traffic!
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Ads On Nonstop NYC-Tahiti

Mon Apr 25, 2005 6:32 pm

Im flying from London to Tahiti via LA with ANZ in june then onto to Bora bora 19 hours in the air.Ive been there before and ive also been to the caribean.So why travel 19 hours to get to Tahiti when i could travel 9 hours to get to Barbados?.Because i believe Bora and Moorea are the most beautiful islands on earth.The Caribean is blissfully beautiful whereas the south pacific is spectacular in its beauty.
I wouldnt expect Tahiti nui to have to many problems if they can get across to New yorkers the image of the South Pacific.
your pilots today on this 747 flight are captain oliver hardy and assisting will be FO stan laurel.Have a safe flight
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Ads On Nonstop NYC-Tahiti

Tue Apr 26, 2005 4:42 am

Quoting Gte439u (Reply 32):
One needs to only look to Europe to see that the upper middles are willing to spend 12-hours on an airplane for vacations. For example, Air Seychelles is successful on its flights from Europe to the Indian Ocean. The Seychelles are at least 10-hours by air, and are very expensive. Another example, includes the popularity of the beaches of Thailand and the non-stop flights between London and Phuket.

I wouldn't compare European proclivities to travel to the Seychelles to NYC people going to Tahiti, for two reasons:

1) there are no tropical resort islands at Europe's doorstep (particularly from the UK and Scandinavia), like the U.S. has in the Caribbean. For a Brit, flying to the Seychelles and other Indian Ocean islands is marginally farther than Barbados. Psychologically, the trip is the same. For an East Coast American, the Caribbean is short and cheap. Same thing for Hawaii in the west coast. Tahiti just doesn't figure into 98% of people's tropical resort travel plans.

Ever wonder why there are so few Americans in Bali? And so few Australians in Antigua? Doesn't take a brain surgeon.

2) Americans, by and large, are just not worldly travelers like Europeans are. Yes, it's a stereotype, and I certainly like long-distance travel, but it's mostly true. It probably has a lot to do with the large geographic size of the U.S., compared to the very small size of most European countries.

My point is simply that just because Europeans will fly 12 hours to go to the beach, doesn't mean Americans will.

Quoting Justplanecrazy (Reply 45):
I wouldnt expect Tahiti nui to have to many problems if they can get across to New yorkers the image of the South Pacific.

The image of the South Pacific is subjective, and all a result of good marketing, and a storied history. Sure, Tahitians speak French and there have been famous shipwrecks, and Gauguin showed the world that there are beautiful women there. But at the end of the day, it's all a figment of the imagination. The reality is that Tahiti is no more "exotic" than Barbados. It's all in the eye of the beholder.

I reiterate my opinion that there is no demand for this flight, and I think it won't last long.
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Ads On Nonstop NYC-Tahiti

Tue Apr 26, 2005 5:01 am

Ia Orana All !!!

Just to tell you that tonight at 2345 one of Air Tahiti Nui's A343 will leave Faa'a International airport for JFK on an 11 hour flight. It will land tomorrow at JFK around 1700 or so. I will do 2 promotion flights from JFK, one for travel agents and tourism professionals and one for poor children of the NYC area.
They will hold a couple of conferences at the Grand Hyatt and at the Waldorf Astorias with the presence of the Tahitian President, Monsieur Oscar Temaru.

NYC Spotters, JFK is your battle terrain for tomorrow afternoon !

Happy Flying,

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Ia Maitai to tatou tere !

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