jkudall
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F9 Applies For DEN-CZM, MCI-PVR, SLC-PVR

Wed Apr 20, 2005 12:03 am

Frontier has applied with the DOT to begin servicing Cozumel from Denver and Puerto Vellarta from Kansas City and Salt Lake City beginning around November.

I smell a war between DL/F9 with SLC-Mexico routes.
 
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RE: F9 Applies For DEN-CZM, MCI-PVR, SLC-PVR

Wed Apr 20, 2005 12:08 am

Quoting Jkudall (Thread starter):
I smell a war between DL/F9 with SLC-Mexico routes.

I smell DL applying for Saturday-only 738 service on SLC-PVR to be exact. When F9 applied for SLC-CUN, DL reacted fast, and applied as well. Although, DL's flights is going daily, while F9's remains a Saturday-only service.
Nonetheless, nice to see that F9 is further continuing its focus on service from Mexico, both from its DEN hub, and p2p.
 
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RE: F9 Applies For DEN-CZM, MCI-PVR, SLC-PVR

Wed Apr 20, 2005 12:16 am

If anyone is interested, this docket has been pretty interesting to read over the last couple weeks. It is regarding ASA's plan to offer daily SLC-SJD service this summer during the low peak season to compliment DL's SLC-SJD service during the winter. The responses from F9 and ASA are quite interesting.


Go to:
http://dms.dot.gov/search/searchFormSimple.cfm

and do a search for docket: 20927 then click on the PDF flies (It doesn't really get interesting until the F9 response)
 
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RE: F9 Applies For DEN-CZM, MCI-PVR, SLC-PVR

Wed Apr 20, 2005 4:14 am

Jkudall:

This is not the first time this has happened. United protested some America West/Mesa applications last year for service from LAX to Mexico..

The problem is as stated by United - since only two US ailrines can serve any city pair between the US and Mexico, one airline can effectively control the market if its express airline gets the authority as well.

Obviously, this is extremely anti-competetive.

The DOT is aware of the problem but says that - at the moment - there isn't a lot they can do. It is perfectly legal within the bilateral, since the express provider operates under a sperate AOC.

Thus - theoretically - two airlines are serving the route.

Theoretically. I assume it is one of the things being discussed in the present ongoing talks with Mexico about the bilateral.

cheers

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RE: F9 Applies For DEN-CZM, MCI-PVR, SLC-PVR

Wed Apr 20, 2005 4:47 am

Thanks for sharing!

How are you able to track this information on www.dot.gov?

Thank you!

Cheers!!!

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RE: F9 Applies For DEN-CZM, MCI-PVR, SLC-PVR

Sat Apr 23, 2005 7:06 am

As expected, DL applied today to fly SLC-PVR daily, year-round with the 738 beginning on November 1st. It's nice to see growth at the SLC hub even if DL is copying F9.

Here's the link to DL's application:

http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf91/326447_web.pdf
 
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RE: F9 Applies For DEN-CZM, MCI-PVR, SLC-PVR

Sat Apr 23, 2005 7:36 am

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 5):
SLC-PVR daily, year-round with the 738

Daily? Year round? With a 738?

No wonder they just lost $1.1 billion in a single quarter.  cheerful 

cheers

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RE: F9 Applies For DEN-CZM, MCI-PVR, SLC-PVR

Sat Apr 23, 2005 11:34 am

I'm with you on that one Mariner!