alexinwa
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UA's Fleet Needs A Wash

Wed Apr 20, 2005 9:22 am

I was at work today (SEA) and as I headed home I saw 3 UA 757's, 2 777's and 1 319/320 sitting at the N gates. All but the newly painted 777 had something in common.......ALL FILTHY!!!

It looked like months of grim and smut dripping from every window down the belly. 1 of the 757's and 1 of the 320's looked as if it hadn't seen a paint job in 10 years. The grey looked like some of the 744's they had in storage for a few years.

I then took a look at some of the AS fleet sitting at the D concourse. All white, pretty, and clean enough to eat off of. I haven't seen A/C this dirty ever at SEA. A DL 763 a year or so ago looked as if it hadn't been cleaned EVER, but these UA a/c looked much worse.

Has UA cut back on soap to save money?
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ramprat74
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RE: UA's Fleet Needs A Wash

Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:18 am

The only A320's that have been repainted, are the TED ones. The battleship gray starts looking like crud after a few years.
 
Capt.Fantastic
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RE: UA's Fleet Needs A Wash

Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:25 am

It sounds like the planes were over-nighters - they can catch condensation during the night. The moisture trickles down and picks up particulate debris.

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It looked like months of grim and smut dripping from every window down the belly.

I thought "smut" was slang for pornography

I'm assuming it was grey in Seattle today, since it is most of the time. If so, UA's inky grey old colors aren't going to look crisp and shiny.
 
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RE: UA's Fleet Needs A Wash

Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:59 am

Quoting Capt.Fantastic (Reply 2):
I'm assuming it was grey in Seattle today, since it is most of the time. If so, UA's inky grey old colors aren't going to look crisp and shiny.

Make all the excuses you want, BUT UA's old-livery A/C are beginning to look more and more like crap!!!
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SonOfACaptain
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RE: UA's Fleet Needs A Wash

Wed Apr 20, 2005 11:02 am

No money = no wash. It is a luxury that gets drop when you are in a crisis.

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LN-MOW
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RE: UA's Fleet Needs A Wash

Wed Apr 20, 2005 11:10 am

Quoting Capt.Fantastic (Reply 2):
I'm assuming it was grey in Seattle today,

Extremly wrong!

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m404
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RE: UA's Fleet Needs A Wash

Wed Apr 20, 2005 11:15 am

With whats happening to pensions I'd say the average UA employee has lot lot more serious stuff to worry about that a wash job
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RE: UA's Fleet Needs A Wash

Wed Apr 20, 2005 11:15 am

UA has been keeping the newly painted planes clean (look through the database, especially at Ted). The grey paints are worn down...no duh they're going to look like crap. UA has more important things to worry about than making sure each and every one of their planes are shiny and spotless. And if you think pax aren't going to fly UA because some planes might be a little dirty, I ask you to look at Iberia and Air France.
 
alexinwa
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RE: UA's Fleet Needs A Wash

Wed Apr 20, 2005 11:25 am

Im not knocking UA, just making an observation.

Now, if UA was holding back the cleaning to re-paint in the new colors, that would make a little sense to me. Guess I'm asking a question as much as I'm making an observation.

This was not the first time I have seen UA's a/c look like this. I would find it very had to believe that this was overnight condensation considering the 777 was going on to DEN as an IB a/c from NRT!! The time was about 1400 local.

BTW.....it was a beautiful clear day and 62 today at SEA.
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Capt.Fantastic
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RE: UA's Fleet Needs A Wash

Wed Apr 20, 2005 11:42 am

I read an article in AW&ST a while ago that discussed fuel savings from clean aircraft. The article made specific reference to JAL. So, keeping planes clean is not just for esthetics
 
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ramprat74
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RE: UA's Fleet Needs A Wash

Wed Apr 20, 2005 12:31 pm

I remember on our old paint jobs. They use to paint just the the portion up to the cabin door. That is what most people see from the terminal and in the jetway.
 
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RE: UA's Fleet Needs A Wash

Wed Apr 20, 2005 12:37 pm

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 4):
No money = no wash. It is a luxury that gets drop when you are in a crisis.

Then I ask this: How in the crap can they afford a new livery? If they can't pay some ramper to take a 30 minutes and a hose and at least rinse off the dirt, then they can afford a paint job?

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Capt.Fantastic
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RE: UA's Fleet Needs A Wash

Wed Apr 20, 2005 12:45 pm

Fluffy: Aircraft do not get washed like cars. I believe JAL (and perhaps other airlines) have special hangers for this.

UA can afford a new paint scheme because aircraft are scheduled to be re-painted every X number of years. So, painting them in a new livery is not a cost issue but one of image. UA may not be washing but they still are painting - it takes time when you have 500+ airplanes
 
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RE: UA's Fleet Needs A Wash

Wed Apr 20, 2005 12:54 pm

Thats true. But just to get a layer of grime off, water would work. Ok, so I work for GQ, a no-frills regional airline with a dozen Fairchild Metros and Beech 1900Ds. If an aircraft looks dirty, they get hosed down. Believe it or not, it works somewhat. Pax response is generaly positive (hey, that plane looks pretty good. New paint job?) I'm not saying its going to get grease, adf, or exaust trails off, but IMHO it's better then nothing.

fluffy


Edit: hosed down with a nozzle attachment. Figured it would be assumed. Sorry...  optimist 

[Edited 2005-04-20 06:06:58]
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Capt.Fantastic
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RE: UA's Fleet Needs A Wash

Wed Apr 20, 2005 1:01 pm

I don't mean to be hyper-critical, but a hose is only going to get dirt wet - it won't remove it - unless you are using a very powerful nozzle.
 
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RE: UA's Fleet Needs A Wash

Thu Apr 21, 2005 12:05 am

Looks can also be deceiving, I recently flew N511UA (newly painted) JFK-LAX and while the exterior was great, nothing inside worked worth a ****. Conversely, the dirty A320's I am always on are immaculate inside and very functional. You have to just take the good with the ok!!

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RE: UA's Fleet Needs A Wash

Thu Apr 21, 2005 6:49 am

UA is in bankruptcy after all and they have been cutting cleaning, both exterior and interior. I saw some of the First Suites and they are getting a little dinged up.

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