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ICN-NRT 744's And A332!

Wed Apr 20, 2005 9:25 am

Well, just playing around with flight schedules with Korean Air and Northwest, and I found out that between ICN and NRT, both Korean Air and Northwest use very large equipment on this route. Northwest uses an A332 and Korean Air uses a B747. The two cities are only 735 miles apart, and there are five daily flights between the two cities. Why are such large aircraft used?
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RE: ICN-NRT 744's And A332!

Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:01 am

Because we(NW) use NRT as a big hub to feed ICN with other flights from the US. As far as KE, can't speak for them, but i'm guessing there's alot of business between the 2 countries.
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RE: ICN-NRT 744's And A332!

Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:09 am

NRT-ICN is one of the busiest city pairs within Asia. Not just NW and Korean use large widebody equipment, however JAL, Asiana, and United all use aircraft up to B747s on the route.
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RE: ICN-NRT 744's And A332!

Wed Apr 20, 2005 12:11 pm

Hjulicher,
Do a search for a flight between HKG & TPE you'll find even more widebodies.
Do a search for ITM & HND or CTS & HND and you'll really be surprised what operates on these routes.
 
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RE: ICN-NRT 744's And A332!

Wed Apr 20, 2005 12:16 pm

No wonder why there once was a B747SR for asian routes.
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RE: ICN-NRT 744's And A332!

Wed Apr 20, 2005 1:47 pm

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 4):
No wonder why there once was a B747SR for asian routes

Now there are B747SR and B747-400 Domestic for flights in Japan.

Quoting Hjulicher (Thread starter):
Northwest uses an A332 and Korean Air uses a B747

A332 for this route is rather small. Look at the equipment used by JL, OZ, NH, etc. You might also want to look at the schedule for AKL-SYD. You will also see a lot of wide bodies, TPE-HKG is another good one, ITM-HND, FUK-HND, etc are all like that.
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RE: ICN-NRT 744's And A332!

Wed Apr 20, 2005 3:18 pm

Quoting Hjulicher (Thread starter):
Why are such large aircraft used?

The answer is very simple: both cities have over 10 million inhabitants!!!

Depending on how you count, greater Tokyo area has about 30 million.
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RE: ICN-NRT 744's And A332!

Wed Apr 20, 2005 7:32 pm

Here are the aircraft used for this route..

Korean Air: 744, 772, 773, 333 (freq. 4 daily with different equipment)
Asiana: 74E, 772, 763 (3? daily)
JAL: 744, 743, 742, 772, 763, D10 (3 daily witn different equipment)
ANA: 320 (formerly 763) (twice daily)
Northwest: 332 (daily)
United: 772 (twice daily)
Iran Air: 74L (once weekly)
MIAT: 310 (3 times weekly?)


It all depends on the day of the week.. There are certain days when KE will send 4 744s to NRT in one day.
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RE: ICN-NRT 744's And A332!

Wed Apr 20, 2005 8:34 pm

Just flew ICN-NRT on a KE 777 -- full flight. The day before, my fiancee and her mom flew on a KE 747 on the same route, full flight again. That was in mid-march. I don't think there was any vacation time (not many kids). Amazing that such short flights with such large equipment run so full!

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RE: ICN-NRT 744's And A332!

Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:14 pm

Also don't forget there are 4 daily flights GMP (Seoul, Gimpo) - HND (Tokyo, Haneda) which for us (KE) is a 744 , JAL usually a 747, ANA a 763 and OZ a 763.

These flights have been specially created to service airports closer to the city center than NRT and ICN. For us, they are usually full and I would imagine other carriers are in a similar position. So really, you could add an additional 4 daily flights between Seoul and Tokyo!

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RE: ICN-NRT 744's And A332!

Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:25 pm

I live in Taipei and I fly to Hong Kong every month. I've been on China Airlines A300, 747, A340, EVA 747, 330, 767, Cathey Pacific 747, A300, and 777. All widebodies and almost every half hour a flight goes to Hong Kong
 
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RE: ICN-NRT 744's And A332!

Thu Apr 21, 2005 3:50 pm

Quoting Surrenr (Reply 10):
Cathey Pacific 747, A300, and 777

CX A300, could of fooled me.

Heres AKL-SYD

NZ 5 daily mainly A320 now plus 1-2 763's daily
QF 5 daily mainly 763 plus 743's on peak days
TG daily 744 reducing though, as TG go for AKL-BKK non-stop
EK daily A345 upgraded to a 773ER soon, to increase capacity
LAN 4 weekly A343, daily in 2006
AR 4 weekly A342
PH few weekly 738's

Still only totals about 13 daily flights though.

QF and DHL also operate dedicated Freighter services aswell.

Even AKL-BNE see's alot of airlines mostly widebodies same with AKL-MEL!
 
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RE: ICN-NRT 744's And A332!

Thu Apr 21, 2005 8:19 pm

HOONS90
I think IR does only have traffic rights on the ICN-NRT sector but not the other way around. Do you know if they offer any special market fares for the trip to Tokyo?

I also would like to mention, that there are another 4 flights between Seoul and Tokyo operating GMP-HND vv.

JL 747
KE 744 (just flew GMP-HND on them)
OZ 767
NH 763
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RE: ICN-NRT 744's And A332!

Thu Apr 21, 2005 9:42 pm

Kuala Lumpur and Singapore also have numerous widebodies on this very short segment. Both MAS and SIA operate A330/332s (and 737s) and 777s on this busy sector. During school and public holidays - many flights are switched to be operated by 747s and extra flights are also usually laid on.

Apart from MH and SQ, Japan Airlines, Air India, SriLankan, Air Mauritius, Indian Airlines and soon Qatar Airways also operate this route. Air New Zealand and Qantas have also both operated 767s on this sector in the past - whilst BA had a weekly 747 during the early 1980s.
 
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RE: ICN-NRT 744's And A332!

Thu Apr 21, 2005 10:56 pm

Air Mauritius and Indian Airlines do not operate between KUL-SIN vv. at the moment.
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