hawker
Posts: 103
Joined: Sun Aug 29, 2004 12:18 pm

Safest Seat On A380?

Wed Apr 20, 2005 5:58 pm

As a general rule the safest seats on an airliner are at the rear, so the rest of the airframe absorbs most of the energy from a crash.

With the A380 would you be better off at the rear top or bottom? I would think the upper deck would more likely survive collision damage, but on the other hand getting to the ground might be virtually impossible if the extra long slides for the upper level either malfunctioned, or sent you at high speed onto the tarmac, or twisted and dumped you over the side.
 
wunala
Posts: 898
Joined: Tue Mar 22, 2005 7:17 am

RE: Safest Seat On A380?

Wed Apr 20, 2005 6:05 pm

Can we wait for it to fly, before you have it crashing on us?  Smile
 
NoUFO
Posts: 7397
Joined: Tue Apr 17, 2001 7:40 am

RE: Safest Seat On A380?

Wed Apr 20, 2005 6:35 pm

Quoting Hawker (Thread starter):
As a general rule the safest seats on an airliner are at the rear,

Forget it.
There is no such thing like "the safest seat on an airliner".
I support the right to arm bears
 
squirrel83
Posts: 1219
Joined: Mon May 24, 2004 12:28 pm

RE: Safest Seat On A380?

Wed Apr 20, 2005 6:37 pm

Flight Deck, Or I wouldnt mind a window seat just past the Wing~
A346, 7E7, 747, 777, Sonic Cruiser
 
User avatar
HAWK21M
Posts: 29867
Joined: Fri Jan 05, 2001 10:05 pm

RE: Safest Seat On A380?

Wed Apr 20, 2005 6:41 pm

Quoting Wunala (Reply 1):
Can we wait for it to fly, before you have it crashing on us?

Yeah....Let it Fly.
regds
MEL
I may not win often, but I damn well never lose!!! ;)
 
ZRH
Posts: 4371
Joined: Tue Nov 16, 1999 11:32 pm

RE: Safest Seat On A380?

Wed Apr 20, 2005 9:11 pm

As somebody already said, there is no "safest seat" in an airliner. It always depends on what happens.
 
User avatar
Starlionblue
Posts: 17115
Joined: Fri Feb 27, 2004 9:54 pm

RE: Safest Seat On A380?

Wed Apr 20, 2005 9:16 pm

Quoting Hawker (Thread starter):
As a general rule the safest seats on an airliner are at the rear, so the rest of the airframe absorbs most of the energy from a crash.

As has been said, this is not true. In statistical terms, all the seats are about equally safe. Not really a lot of crashes to give us data on relative safety.
"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots." - John Ringo
 
wunala
Posts: 898
Joined: Tue Mar 22, 2005 7:17 am

RE: Safest Seat On A380?

Wed Apr 20, 2005 9:27 pm

All seats must have the same probability of safety, otherwise the Y cabin would be at the front and F and J down the back. Afterall you want to give your hi rev pax the best chance. What airline would deliberately try to hurt premium pax?
 
backfire
Posts: 3467
Joined: Fri Oct 06, 2006 8:01 am

RE: Safest Seat On A380?

Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:42 pm

Quoting Hawker (Thread starter):
As a general rule the safest seats on an airliner are at the rear, so the rest of the airframe absorbs most of the energy from a crash.

It's not just a statistical fallacy it's also rubbish in physics terms. An aircraft isn't like a car with a crumple-zone. A high-speed impact generates a destructive shockwave which travels rapidly through the airframe and anything (fittings, seats, people) attached to it.
 
gkirk
Posts: 23347
Joined: Thu Jun 15, 2000 3:29 am

RE: Safest Seat On A380?

Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:50 pm

Obviously The ejection seat  bigthumbsup 
When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
 
DIJKKIJK
Posts: 1785
Joined: Sun Jul 27, 2003 11:03 pm

RE: Safest Seat On A380?

Wed Apr 20, 2005 11:00 pm

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 9):
Obviously The ejection seat

Which one? Isn't it possible to eject on all seats?
 Wink
Never argue with idiots. They will bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience.
 
dtwclipper
Posts: 6668
Joined: Wed Oct 29, 2003 3:17 am

RE: Safest Seat On A380?

Wed Apr 20, 2005 11:04 pm

4A on a 744.

dtwclipper
Compare New York Air, the Airline that works for your Business
 
Birdwatching
Posts: 3575
Joined: Sat Sep 06, 2003 10:48 am

RE: Safest Seat On A380?

Wed Apr 20, 2005 11:05 pm

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 10):
Obviously The ejection seat

Isn't that what a JUMP SEAT is for?  Smile
All the things you probably hate about travelling are warm reminders that I'm home
 
AA737-823
Posts: 4905
Joined: Wed Mar 01, 2000 11:10 am

RE: Safest Seat On A380?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 12:07 am

Which seat is the safest for an A380 flight?

The one attached to the floor in the terminal.

(preparing to be flamed)

Actually, several of you are incorrect in saying that statistically they're all the same. Statistically, the safest seats are in the rear, toward the center. That idea also stands up to the laws of physics. The accelerations exerted on the bodies in the rear are lower than those accelerations encountered in the front, as the structure collapses and absorbs much of the energy. That's assuming you hit something while traveling forward, which in an airplane, you are likely to be doing.
Granted, there are infinite variables. But that statistic comes from somewhere, it's not arbitrary. Most crash survivors are sitting in the rear of the airplane, regardless of variables.
Look it up on the Net, I am sure you'll find some credible things that can explain it and prove it better than I.
 
wingnutmn
Posts: 492
Joined: Thu Jan 08, 2004 10:27 am

RE: Safest Seat On A380?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 12:08 am

I thought that the seats over the wing were the safest due to the reinforcement of the airframe for the wings? I would definitely choose the right seat. best view with the least amount of responsibility! Remember the old addage.....3 Bars equal "I Don't Know, and I Don't Care" where 4 bars equal "I Need To Know, and I Need To Care"

WingnutMN
Any landing you can walk away from is a good landing! It's a bonus if you can fly the plane again!!
 
User avatar
Starlionblue
Posts: 17115
Joined: Fri Feb 27, 2004 9:54 pm

RE: Safest Seat On A380?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 2:14 am

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 13):

Actually, several of you are incorrect in saying that statistically they're all the same. Statistically, the safest seats are in the rear, toward the center.

No, because any good statistician will tell you that the sample sizes are too small to make any meaningful conclusions. The aircraft and the accidents are all very different and there are too few accidents total for good statistics.
"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots." - John Ringo
 
lehpron
Posts: 6846
Joined: Tue Jul 10, 2001 3:42 am

RE: Safest Seat On A380?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 2:54 am

Quoting Hawker (Thread starter):
As a general rule the safest seats on an airliner are at the rear, so the rest of the airframe absorbs most of the energy from a crash.

Dude, that is a myth. If the plane were in a nose dive, you would simply die last. No airplane in the world is designed to absorb crash energy, they all fold like foil under a brick. Considering g-forces and duration, your seat might disengage and you'd be thrown forwards.

Quoting Wunala (Reply 7):
otherwise the Y cabin would be at the front and F and J down the back

pax pay more for more conviniences, one example being not having to walk all the way to the back of the plane for your seat. Nothing to do with who is safer.
The meaning of life is curiosity; we were put on this planet to explore opportunities.
 
Lemurs
Posts: 1320
Joined: Sat Mar 12, 2005 5:13 am

RE: Safest Seat On A380?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 3:00 am

Quoting Lehpron (Reply 16):
Dude, that is a myth. If the plane were in a nose dive, you would simply die last. No airplane in the world is designed to absorb crash energy, they all fold like foil under a brick. Considering g-forces and duration, your seat might disengage and you'd be thrown forwards.

It's not a myth, you're just applying it to the worst case scenario. Of course no one survives a nose-first dive. However, if you run off the runway during an emergency landing and impact stationary objects, certain parts of the plane will have higher survivability factors than others, and generally the further back you are (assuming no fire) the more physics is on your side. That said, the weakest link and break points in the fuselage could work against you as well, but the premise of what he is saying is correct. If you hit a concrete building at 60 knots, I'd rather be near the tail than the cockpit.
There are 10 kinds of people in the world; those who understand binary, and those that don't.
 
lehpron
Posts: 6846
Joined: Tue Jul 10, 2001 3:42 am

RE: Safest Seat On A380?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 3:11 am

Quoting Lemurs (Reply 17):
If you hit a concrete building at 60 knots, I'd rather be near the tail than the cockpit.

Statistics show most accidents occur during the takeoff or landing sequence and they are usually above 60kts. Just like in a car, 120-knot impact is four-times as great as a 60-knoter. You may be injured but and may not be dead.

What was that Delta L-1011 that crashed in the 80's in the US, the plane landing prior to the runway in the fog and only the rear survived?
The meaning of life is curiosity; we were put on this planet to explore opportunities.
 
Lemurs
Posts: 1320
Joined: Sat Mar 12, 2005 5:13 am

RE: Safest Seat On A380?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 3:40 am

Quoting Lehpron (Reply 18):
Statistics show most accidents occur during the takeoff or landing sequence and they are usually above 60kts. Just like in a car, 120-knot impact is four-times as great as a 60-knoter. You may be injured but and may not be dead.

What was that Delta L-1011 that crashed in the 80's in the US, the plane landing prior to the runway in the fog and only the rear survived?

That's my point though. His statement isn't a myth, it's just that it doesn't apply to most accident scenarios where the accident happens well outside the boundaries of reasonable survivability. At that point, it's all irrelevant.

HOWEVER, if you're in a situation like UAL 232 (the DC-10 that crash landed after it lost hydraulics in '89) there's still a real survivability difference in different parts of the plane. Of course, you can't calculate all the factors very well, espc with the fire component. Being behind the wings and engines on a loaded plane that catches fire isn't a good place to be, for example...
There are 10 kinds of people in the world; those who understand binary, and those that don't.
 
RedDragon
Posts: 1096
Joined: Sat Jul 03, 2004 2:24 am

RE: Safest Seat On A380?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 3:53 am

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 13):
The accelerations exerted on the bodies in the rear are lower than those accelerations encountered in the front, as the structure collapses and absorbs much of the energy. That's assuming you hit something while traveling forward, which in an airplane, you are likely to be doing.

Quoting Lemurs (Reply 17):
Of course no one survives a nose-first dive. However, if you run off the runway during an emergency landing and impact stationary objects, certain parts of the plane will have higher survivability factors than others, and generally the further back you are (assuming no fire) the more physics is on your side.

Picking up on what Backfire and Lehpron have said, aircraft aren't designed to dissipate impact forces in a controlled way - they aren't designed in the same way a car is designed, to absorb energy throughout the vehicle thereby keeping the passenger cabin intact. When a car suffers a frontal collision, the forward bodywork crumples in and the engine hopefully doesn't penetrate the firewall - result: the survival cell (the passenger cabin) remains uncompromised. When an airliner crashes, simplistically assuming that it hits a wall/ground/mountainside nose-first, there aren't built-in ways for the impact energy to dissipate and protect the passengers. There's no crumple zone in the nosecone, and crash forces will be transmitted forcibly along the fuselage. Hence the passengers are screwed, to a certain extent wherever they're sitting. Similarly, if the aircraft suffers a severe belly landing instead, impact forces will propagate upwards through the fuselage in a destructive manner.

Remember that Austrian Fokker 70 that landed short of the runway at Munich in January? There was very little fuselage deformation, visibly at least. In contrast, after a car crash the vehicle is significantly deformed so as to minimise forces on its occupants.

The safest seat in a car, at least when you're siting a child seat, is arguably in the middle of the back seat. Not so in an aircraft.

Rich

[Edited 2005-04-20 20:54:49]
 
RedDragon
Posts: 1096
Joined: Sat Jul 03, 2004 2:24 am

RE: Safest Seat On A380?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 3:58 am

Quoting Lemurs (Reply 19):
HOWEVER, if you're in a situation like UAL 232 (the DC-10 that crash landed after it lost hydraulics in '89) there's still a real survivability difference in different parts of the plane. Of course, you can't calculate all the factors very well, espc with the fire component. Being behind the wings and engines on a loaded plane that catches fire isn't a good place to be, for example...

I'd suggest that a differing survivability in an accident like UAL 232 is down to factors other than the seemingly obvious "sit at the back for a softer deceleration". In the event the DC-10 cartwheeled violently and consequently broke apart, so this argument was instantly made irrelevant. It may have been that passengers seated at the fuselage break points were those more likely to perish - or on the other hand, they might have benefited from being ejected from the wreckage. Maybe. Where you're sitting relative to where the plane is breaking apart, and where fire is about to engulf you, is far more relevant than where you are in relation to the aircraft's non-crumple zone.

Rich

[Edited 2005-04-20 20:59:22]
 
citationjet
Posts: 2259
Joined: Sun Mar 09, 2003 2:26 am

RE: Safest Seat On A380?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 4:04 am

The seat closest to the "black" box.  Wink
Boeing Flown: 701,702,703;717;720;721,722;731,732,733,734,735,737,738,739;741,742,743,744,747SP;752,753;762,763;772,773.
 
Lemurs
Posts: 1320
Joined: Sat Mar 12, 2005 5:13 am

RE: Safest Seat On A380?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 4:22 am

Quoting RedDragon (Reply 21):
Where you're sitting relative to where the plane is breaking apart, and where fire is about to engulf you, is far more relevant than where you are in relation to the aircraft's non-crumple zone.

Which is why I said you can't calculate all the factors...however, in a typical runway overshoot (abort above V1, landing too far down the runway...both of which happened with some regularity, in terms of accidents) you have a linear path the plane follows, and most of the damage is absorbed by the front of the fuselage, and the wings.

Again, I'm not saying it's worth pretending there's a "safer" seat on the plane you can pick out for yourself...it's just the academic exercise of pointing out that given some specific scenarios, you can say which areas of the plane are statistically safer than others. Now if you could pick your accident scenario, I'd pick "none"........  Smile
There are 10 kinds of people in the world; those who understand binary, and those that don't.
 
kl911
Posts: 3981
Joined: Mon Jul 21, 2003 1:10 am

RE: Safest Seat On A380?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 4:24 am

The safest seat is the one who takes you from A to B, in one piece...
 
User avatar
Starlionblue
Posts: 17115
Joined: Fri Feb 27, 2004 9:54 pm

RE: Safest Seat On A380?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 7:23 am

Quoting CitationJet (Reply 22):
The seat closest to the "black" box.

As the comedian once said: "So the black box is built to survive a crash. Why don't they build the whole plane out of that stuff?!?" Big grin
"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots." - John Ringo
 
Boeing7E7
Posts: 5512
Joined: Sat Jul 31, 2004 9:35 pm

RE: Safest Seat On A380?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 7:35 am

The only guaranteed safe seat is in a folding chair outside the runway safety area for any aircraft. Then again, you could fall out of that too.
 
User avatar
Starlionblue
Posts: 17115
Joined: Fri Feb 27, 2004 9:54 pm

RE: Safest Seat On A380?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 7:39 am

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 26):
The only guaranteed safe seat is in a folding chair outside the runway safety area for any aircraft. Then again, you could fall out of that too.

Yeah but then who would you sue?
"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots." - John Ringo
 
Lemurs
Posts: 1320
Joined: Sat Mar 12, 2005 5:13 am

RE: Safest Seat On A380?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 7:43 am

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 27):
Yeah but then who would you sue?

Oh that's easy. The maker of the folding chair, for not putting in restraints to protect you from yourself! You forget, we're American, so we learn to litigate right after we're weened off breast milk.  Silly
There are 10 kinds of people in the world; those who understand binary, and those that don't.
 
Boeing7E7
Posts: 5512
Joined: Sat Jul 31, 2004 9:35 pm

RE: Safest Seat On A380?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 7:45 am

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 27):
Yeah but then who would you sue?

1. The chair maker.
2. The guy that owns the land.
 
User avatar
Starlionblue
Posts: 17115
Joined: Fri Feb 27, 2004 9:54 pm

RE: Safest Seat On A380?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 8:18 am

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 29):
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 27):
Yeah but then who would you sue?

1. The chair maker.
2. The guy that owns the land.

I'd still try for the manufacturer of the plane that startled me  Wink
"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots." - John Ringo
 
prebennorholm
Posts: 6430
Joined: Tue Mar 21, 2000 6:25 am

RE: Safest Seat On A380?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 8:26 am

The statistics are clear concerning the safest seat on any plane, not just the 380.

Sitting on the wingtip it the safest.

Nobody ever got hurt sitting on the wingtip of a crashing plane.

How can you be in doubt? I mean, where were you at high school during classes about statistics?
Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs
 
prebennorholm
Posts: 6430
Joined: Tue Mar 21, 2000 6:25 am

RE: Safest Seat On A380?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 8:36 am

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 30):
Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 29):
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 27):
Yeah but then who would you sue?

1. The chair maker.
2. The guy that owns the land.

I'd still try for the manufacturer of the plane that startled me

Better sue the descendants of Sir Isac Newton as well. After all he was responcible for the Law of Gravity which made the chair collapse.
Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs
 
SWISSER
Posts: 1568
Joined: Sat Feb 12, 2005 11:31 am

RE: Safest Seat On A380?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 9:05 am

Quoting Squirrel83 (Reply 3):
Flight Deck, Or I wouldnt mind a window seat just past the Wing~

yeah!
I think too those are the safest!  bigthumbsup 
What time is top of descent?
 
SWISSER
Posts: 1568
Joined: Sat Feb 12, 2005 11:31 am

RE: Safest Seat On A380?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 9:06 am

Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 31):
The statistics are clear concerning the safest seat on any plane, not just the 380.

Sitting on the wingtip it the safest.

Nobody ever got hurt sitting on the wingtip of a crashing plane.

How can you be in doubt? I mean, where were you at high school during classes about statistics?

 biggrin   bigthumbsup 
What time is top of descent?
 
September11
Posts: 3293
Joined: Fri May 21, 2004 12:49 am

RE: Safest Seat On A380?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 9:15 am

safest seat? the toilet in rear lavatory! just kidding ...

there is no guarantee on which seat is the safest ...

on a Greyhound bus, there is no such safest seat.
Airliners.net of the Future
 
ComeAndGo
Posts: 813
Joined: Thu Mar 31, 2005 5:58 pm

RE: Safest Seat On A380?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 10:15 am

Quoting Backfire (Reply 8):
It's not just a statistical fallacy it's also rubbish in physics terms. An aircraft isn't like a car with a crumple-zone. A high-speed impact generates a destructive shockwave which travels rapidly through the airframe and anything (fittings, seats, people) attached to it.

That's why the rear restroom is the safest place to be in an aircraft.
 
airxliban
Posts: 4285
Joined: Wed Oct 01, 2003 12:14 pm

RE: Safest Seat On A380?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 12:29 pm

There are two equally safe seats on an aircraft...the pilot's and copilot's seat in the simulator.
PARIS, FRANCE...THE BEIRUT OF EUROPE.
 
fbm3rd
Posts: 154
Joined: Wed Mar 30, 2005 12:20 am

RE: Safest Seat On A380?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 12:39 pm

Quoting CitationJet (Reply 22):
The seat closest to the "black" box. Wink

cloest seat to...how about putting me in that mug...
 
baylorairbear
Posts: 2841
Joined: Wed Jan 26, 2005 5:25 am

RE: Safest Seat On A380?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 2:31 pm

Quoting Lemurs (Reply 28):
right after we're weened off breast milk.

Mmm, Breast milk.

BaylorAirBear
I'm just skipping stones...
 
bassie2010
Posts: 57
Joined: Mon Mar 28, 2005 1:41 am

RE: Safest Seat On A380?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 3:35 pm

For safety on aircraft, visit www.airsafe.com. Best website there is on air safety. Founded by a former Boeing safety analyst, Todd Curtis. He also wrote a book about it: "Understanding Aviation Saftey Data".

In some cases there are seats which are more safe than others, but you have to know up front which kind of crash you would encounter and the plane type is also an issue. So in general: no such thing as 'safe' seats. If the thing goes down, you're screwed.
Flown A319 A320 A321 A342 A346 A388 B733 B737 B738 B739 B742 B744 B762 B772 DC3 F50 F60 F70 F100 MD11 MD80 RJ85 E190
 
GQfluffy
Posts: 3072
Joined: Tue Apr 19, 2005 1:25 pm

RE: Safest Seat On A380?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 3:42 pm

Quoting Hawker (Thread starter):
With the A380 would you be better off at the rear top or bottom?

The seat you were sitting in at the gate before you boarded that cow.  box 

fluffy
This isn't where I parked my car...
 
jafa39
Posts: 4320
Joined: Wed Mar 23, 2005 2:14 pm

RE: Safest Seat On A380?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 4:11 pm

Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 32):
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 30):
Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 29):
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 27):
Yeah but then who would you sue?

1. The chair maker.
2. The guy that owns the land.

I'd still try for the manufacturer of the plane that startled me

You would sue the govt for not having legistlation in place to prevent you having to take personal responsibility for your own safety..no, wait you'd sue the wright brothers (or Richard Pearce) for making flying possible in the first place!!!
We, the undersigned, do hereby consent.....
 
MD-90
Posts: 7835
Joined: Mon Jan 17, 2000 12:45 pm

RE: Safest Seat On A380?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 4:36 pm

Quoting Lehpron (Reply 16):
No airplane in the world is designed to absorb crash energy, they all fold like foil under a brick.

Actually, some GA planes are designed with crash-worthiness in mind. Specifically, the Cirrus planes were designed with two features relevant to this discussion: 1) the engine is designed to slide underneath the cabin in a serious frontal impact 2) when the CAPS parachute is deployed, the landing ought to be survivable (if not completely injury-free) because of how the landing gear and cabin structure were designed.

But Boeheeds or McBuses? Gotta use all the available space and be as lightweight as possible, of course.

Quoting September11 (Reply 35):
on a Greyhound bus, there is no such safest seat.

I dunno, the driver's seat has a seat belt, that might be safer.
 
User avatar
Starlionblue
Posts: 17115
Joined: Fri Feb 27, 2004 9:54 pm

RE: Safest Seat On A380?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 6:06 pm

Quoting Bassie2010 (Reply 40):
For safety on aircraft, visit www.airsafe.com. Best website there is on air safety. Founded by a former Boeing safety analyst, Todd Curtis. He also wrote a book about it: "Understanding Aviation Saftey Data".

Home of such weak statistical analysis as his "Fatal Events by Airline". As I said before, sample sizes under 30 do not good statistics make.

[Edited 2005-04-21 11:06:59]

[Edited 2005-04-21 11:07:29]

[Edited 2005-04-21 11:08:02]
"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots." - John Ringo
 
jafa39
Posts: 4320
Joined: Wed Mar 23, 2005 2:14 pm

RE: Safest Seat On A380?

Fri Apr 22, 2005 6:42 am

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 44):
sample sizes under 30 do not good statistics make.

But it is possible to extract an emerging paradigm.
We, the undersigned, do hereby consent.....
 
User avatar
Starlionblue
Posts: 17115
Joined: Fri Feb 27, 2004 9:54 pm

RE: Safest Seat On A380?

Fri Apr 22, 2005 8:37 am

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 45):
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 44):
sample sizes under 30 do not good statistics make.

But it is possible to extract an emerging paradigm.

How emerging is it if there are so few events, and all the events are so different? You can hardly compare an loss due to engine explosion (DC-10 at Sioux City) to a loss due to covered static ports (AeroPeru 757) to a loss due to bad pilot judgement (A320 at Mulhous).

Is the 737 less safe than the 320 (as the data on the site states)? Hardly.

If you can give me data on a 30+ REASONABLY SIMILAR accidents for EVERY type, I will grant that this constitutes a reasonable baseline. Right now my only conclusion is that air travel, IN GENERAL, is extremely safe in any aircraft type.
"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots." - John Ringo