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Wed Apr 20, 2005 7:10 pm

 
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RE: What Happened To This Southwest 733?

Wed Apr 20, 2005 7:11 pm

He parked at a gas station IIRC  Wink
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RE: What Happened To This Southwest 733?

Wed Apr 20, 2005 7:27 pm

Was anybody held to blame or punished for this? Dare say the pax wanted a few answers!
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RE: What Happened To This Southwest 733?

Wed Apr 20, 2005 7:38 pm

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 4):
Was anybody held to blame or punished for this? Dare say the pax wanted a few answers!

Even if I don't know the follow-up of the story I suppose that if you end up crashing an airliner that way your career as a pilot is pretty over...
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RE: What Happened To This Southwest 733?

Wed Apr 20, 2005 9:03 pm

The captain was fired; the first officer, while initially let go, was reinstated after further review.

Captain's voice on the CVR as it became apparent that the aircraft would not stop in time: "There goes my career."
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RE: What Happened To This Southwest 733?

Wed Apr 20, 2005 9:20 pm

Ouch!

Yep that is WN's only incident. An overrun in Burbank. That must have been a wild ride. Total pilot error. Those are great pics!
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RE: What Happened To This Southwest 733?

Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:07 pm

Talk about a bad day at work, wow. Was the aircraft written off? I would presume so from the apparent degree of damage to the engines and airframe.
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RE: What Happened To This Southwest 733?

Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:33 pm

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 8):
Was the aircraft written off?

Yes it was...
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RE: What Happened To This Southwest 733?

Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:45 pm

The captain knew that he needed gas so decided to visit the local petrol station at the end of the runway, but didn't park correctly at the petrol station so sadly the aircraft got damanged.

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RE: What Happened To This Southwest 733?

Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:50 pm

I believe the gas station is no longer there either.
I guess they figured having a gas station on the centerline just a few hundred feet off the end of the runway threshold was not a good idea.

BTW, the aircraft was not originally delivered to Southwest. I believe it flew for a number of carriers before WN, including Morris Air in SLC before that airlines acquisition by Southwest.
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RE: What Happened To This Southwest 733?

Wed Apr 20, 2005 11:03 pm

Quoting Richierich (Reply 11):
BTW, the aircraft was not originally delivered to Southwest.

N668SW was a -3T5, with T5 being Orion Airways, the original customer...

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RE: What Happened To This Southwest 733?

Wed Apr 20, 2005 11:20 pm

i'm sure the people of cali would love to see the gas prices on the sign in the background today duck 
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RE: What Happened To This Southwest 733?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 12:21 am

The F/O was reinstated but later fired over another situation from my understanding. Anyone remember the incident with the Flt. attendant catching 2 WN pilots with a little less then full uniform on during a flight? Same F/O.....

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RE: What Happened To This Southwest 733?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 1:23 am

NIKV69...wrong again. You forgot the Nashville overrun.
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RE: What Happened To This Southwest 733?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 1:58 am

There is a point of view that says that a good landing is one that you can walk away from.

After this earlier "problem" the FO must be a prat.
 
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RE: What Happened To This Southwest 733?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 7:00 am

Quoting SCCutler (Reply 6):
Captain's voice on the CVR as it became apparent that the aircraft would not stop in time: "There goes my career."

Is that for real or are you just kidding? Either way, it's pretty funny.

Do you know where to find CVR transcripts online?
 
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RE: What Happened To This Southwest 733?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 7:24 am

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 16):
There is a point of view that says that a good landing is one that you can walk away from.

And a great landing is when you can re-use the aircraft!
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RE: What Happened To This Southwest 733?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 7:30 am

Quoting Mav75 (Reply 17):



Quoting Mav75 (Reply 17):
Is that for real or are you just kidding? Either way, it's pretty funny.

If its true it has to be a pretty sick feeling knowing the mistake you made just ended your career. But in that line of work the pilot should be happy that his mistake didn't end his life and that of everyone else on the jet.

But maybe he saw Chevron had a really good price on gas and was trying to save WN some money  Smile
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RE: What Happened To This Southwest 733?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 7:31 am

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 7):
Yep that is WN's only incident.

I believe a similar accident occured at MDW, a WN 737 overran, crashed through a cement wall, and stopped halfway onto Cicero Ave...it was a while back, but I'm almost certain it was WN.
 
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RE: What Happened To This Southwest 733?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 7:52 am

WN's only incident? Hardly. Though Southwest does have a fantastic safety record, they also ran a 737 (just) off the end of the runway in PHX in March 2001.

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20010308X00561&key=1

Not mentioned in this narrative is that the airplane just missed a dump truck.
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RE: What Happened To This Southwest 733?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 7:57 am

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 20):
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 7):
Yep that is WN's only incident.
I believe a similar accident occured at MDW, a WN 737 overran, crashed through a cement wall, and stopped halfway onto Cicero Ave...it was a while back, but I'm almost certain it was WN.

Nope, it was an ATA 757.


WN has had 3 landing incidents, all in california.

BUR (over ran runway)
ONT (Landing gear would not come out)
SFO/SAN? I think- where a planeover ran a runway and went into the mud.
then again that could also be BNA

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RE: What Happened To This Southwest 733?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 8:03 am

Quoting FlyHoss (Reply 21):
WN's only incident? Hardly. Though Southwest does have a fantastic safety record, they also ran a 737 (just) off the end of the runway in PHX in March 2001.

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20010308X00561&key=1

Not mentioned in this narrative is that the airplane just missed a dump truck.

Thats ironic and the next day the BUR incident happened, two incidents in two dyas, YIKES! lol

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RE: What Happened To This Southwest 733?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 8:11 am

Link: http://flatrock.org.nz/topics/flying/down_with_a_crash.htm

Here's a summary from that link. They also have a nice photo with the aircraft next to the Chevron gas station sign. It's a little more than halfway down the page. In summary:

"As Southwest Flight 1455 descended toward Burbank-Glendale-Pasadena Airport on the evening of 5 March 2000, warnings began sounding, according to transcripts released Tuesday by the National Transportation Safety Board. Captain Howard Peterson, who was flying the jet, and co-pilot J D Erwin continued to descend.

6:10:47 pm Warning: "Whoop, whoop, pull up, whoop, whoop, pull up, whoop, whoop, pull up, whoop, whoop, pull up."
6:10:53 Peterson: "That's all right."
6:10:59 Jet touches down.
6:11:15 Erwin: "Need any help?"
6:11:18 Peterson: "(Expletive), Howard. You (expletive)." [cursing himself]
6:11:20 Sound of impacts.
6:11:28 Peterson: "My fault."
6:11:32 Peterson: "My fault."
6:11:37 Peterson (over PA): "And folks, remain seated, remain seated, we're all right."
6:11:42 Air traffic controller: "Response coming now."
6:11:46 Peterson: "Well, there goes my career."
6:11:58 Peterson: "You stupid (expletive)." [again cursing himself]
6:14:09 Peterson (to controllers): "Yeah, you better send the emergency equipment over, uh, uh, we went through the barrier."
6:14:15 Controller: "Affirmative, they should be over there already."

Source: USA Today 11 July 2001; photo credit Kevork Djansezian, Associated Press"
 
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RE: What Happened To This Southwest 733?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 8:24 am

The BNA mishap was due to a bird being ingested in the port engine during takeoff. The plane was brought to a stop off the runway without injury. It was after the successful stop that things kind of went to crap.

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RE: What Happened To This Southwest 733?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 10:16 am

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 24):
6:11:46 Peterson: "Well, there goes my career."

So was he fired or "let go" or does he still remain at WN?
 
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RE: What Happened To This Southwest 733?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 10:17 am

I heard he was fired...and didn't get his job back on appeal...
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RE: What Happened To This Southwest 733?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 10:38 am

Actually, not all of Southwest's landing incidents occurred in CA. The company had a -300 depart the runway in Amarillo on 5/24/03 while landing in a thunderstorm, collapsing the nose gear and compromising the integrity of the pressure bulkhead.
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RE: What Happened To This Southwest 733?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 10:57 am

I find it interesting that everybody keeps calling this BUR "landing" an incident. We need to call it what it was...an accident.
 
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RE: What Happened To This Southwest 733?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 10:59 am

Quoting AS739X (Reply 14):
Anyone remember the incident with the Flt. attendant catching 2 WN pilots with a little less then full uniform on during a flight?

I havn't heard about this one. Could you tell me a little more? Thanks.
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RE: What Happened To This Southwest 733?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 11:03 am

Quoting Nyskymasters (Reply 29):
I find it interesting that everybody keeps calling this BUR "landing" an incident. We need to call it what it was...an accident.

I think that occurs because some folks may not know that there are specific criteria for an accident/incident, and not knowing that, use "incident" as a general term in the context of an "occurence."

BUR was definitely an accident...
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RE: What Happened To This Southwest 733?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 11:04 am

Quoting Pl4nekr4zy (Reply 30):
I havn't heard about this one. Could you tell me a little more? Thanks.

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RE: What Happened To This Southwest 733?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 11:20 am

Alex - Atrude777
No, the PHX incident was almost exactly a year later. The BUR accident was in March 2000, the PHX incident was March 2001.
Minor point, I know...
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RE: What Happened To This Southwest 733?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 11:29 am

I saw the skidmarks a few days later....pretty impressive...

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RE: What Happened To This Southwest 733?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 11:52 am

I know a lot of WN pilots take steep approachs and finals when they are cleared for visual finals. I don't know if it is from their training or what but they seem to land fast and like dive bombers.
Maybe WN executives want them to keep fast thru the pattern so there are no delays at their hubs??
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RE: What Happened To This Southwest 733?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 12:13 pm

Quoting FlyHoss (Reply 33):
Alex - Atrude777
No, the PHX incident was almost exactly a year later. The BUR accident was in March 2000, the PHX incident was March 2001.
Minor point, I know...

No, its a point that needs to be corrected and thank you for correcting me, I did not think the date looked right. Thanks for the new info, i admit it IS still odd the events happened one day apart (whether by days or years)

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RE: What Happened To This Southwest 733?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 12:38 pm

Quoting Hirisk (Reply 13):
i'm sure the people of cali would love to see the gas prices on the sign in the background today duck

I didn't notice the gas prices on the sign...I was busy staring in amazement at the car right next to the plane. Can you imagine sitting in that thing when a 737 comes barreling across the street right at you?? I'm sure the owner sent the auto-detail bill to WN for the extra steam cleaning of the drivers seat bottom.
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RE: What Happened To This Southwest 733?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 2:15 pm

Quoting Hirisk (Reply 13):
i'm sure the people of cali would love to see the gas prices on the sign in the background today

I bet everyone in the world wishes petrol prices were as low as they were in 2000
 
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RE: What Happened To This Southwest 733?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 2:35 pm

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 37):
Can you imagine sitting in that thing when a 737 comes barreling across the street right at you??

Time would literally stand still. Even if it happened a block in front of you.  eyepopping 

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RE: What Happened To This Southwest 733?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 3:11 pm

Maybe this is a stupid question, why would the pilot risk this kind of steep (7 degree approach) and high speed (181 kts ground speed at touchdown) landing when you know you are already dealing with a short runway with no margin for error? Wouldn't the obvious plan of action be to abort the landing and reattempt after a go-around? I'm guessing this is why the pilot lost his job...poor judgement.
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RE: What Happened To This Southwest 733?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 3:17 pm

LoL. You answered your own question. He could've done things WAY different, but, you know how some pilot's egos get in the way. (Thinking with his balls instead of his brains) And now he's looking for work. Worst part is, the airline I work for probably would hire him on the spot.  tapedshut 

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RE: What Happened To This Southwest 733?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 3:24 pm

Thanks fluffy. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything obvious. Those WN pilots do like to come into BUR fairly hot I've noticed, more so than any other carrier that flies into the best kept secret for travelers in the LA basin!
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RE: What Happened To This Southwest 733?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 5:01 pm

Quoting RamerinianAir (Reply 35):
I know a lot of WN pilots take steep approachs and finals when they are cleared for visual finals. I don't know if it is from their training or what but they seem to land fast and like dive bombers.
Maybe WN executives want them to keep fast thru the pattern so there are no delays at their hubs??
SR

Please, lets not let this lead into hinting that WN pilots fly in an unsafe manner to save time, fuel etc. I know this might not be where you were heading with this, but some like to accuse WN of flying like hotshots who like to cut corners in the name of being on time or saving a buck.
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RE: What Happened To This Southwest 733?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 5:06 pm

Quoting Adipasqu (Reply 42):
Those WN pilots do like to come into BUR fairly hot I've noticed, more so than any other carrier that flies into the best kept secret for travelers in the LA basin!

They cannot come in any hotter than the runway allows. WN pilots are very safe and actually do more of their own flying/stopping than other airline pilots because of WN's policies.

BUR is no secret, service is just limited
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RE: What Happened To This Southwest 733?

Mon Apr 25, 2005 9:44 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 32):
Quoting Pl4nekr4zy (Reply 30):
I havn't heard about this one. Could you tell me a little more? Thanks.

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Please?  Wink
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RE: What Happened To This Southwest 733?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 1:21 am

Anyone know the about of the pilots, did they find new jobs?

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RE: What Happened To This Southwest 733?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 1:25 am

Quoting Pl4nekr4zy (Reply 45):
Please?

Sorry!
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RE: What Happened To This Southwest 733?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 8:08 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 44):
They cannot come in any hotter than the runway allows. WN pilots are very safe and actually do more of their own flying/stopping than other airline pilots because of WN's policies.

WHAT? "come in hotter than the rnwy allows???
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RE: What Happened To This Southwest 733?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 8:44 am

A higher up training pilot at southwest told me he had to re-create that approach a few times for the lawyers (like more than 20 times). no matter how many times he did it he said he still didn't ever feel comfortable while flying it.

inside nearly every training class room at the Flight Training Center in Dallas there is a picture of the wrecked 737 with the caption:

"Aviation, like the sea, is not inherently dangerous. it is just extremely unforgiving"

and because of these accidents, unstabilized approaches were the #1 safety priority at southwest for some time. I'm not sure if it is anymore, In-Flight Turbulence is pretty high up there and may have over taken unstablized approaches.
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