Beaucaire
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Emirates To Delay Some European Destinations

Thu Apr 21, 2005 3:37 am

Following a message on the Geneva Airport Website,EK have decided to postpone the introduction of flights from Geneva to Dubai due to unavailability of aircraft.It is assumed that also the flights from Hamburg will be delayed.
Probabely EK have re-allocated resources onto higher-yield oportunities...
http://www.gva.ch/fr/default.htm
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RE: Emirates To Delay Some European Destinations

Thu Apr 21, 2005 3:54 am

I noticed EK have increased several services to Asia and Africa since end of March, but I haven't yet checked their timetable updates for May.

Delay due to shortage of aircraft...lovely!  bigthumbsup 


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RE: Emirates To Delay Some European Destinations

Thu Apr 21, 2005 4:06 am

That should SOMEWHAT justify their huge order backlog
 
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RE: Emirates To Delay Some European Destinations

Thu Apr 21, 2005 4:14 am

My guess would be lack of traffic rights. At least in the case of Hamburg.

From what I have heard, the bilateral between Germany and the UAE allows three gateways in each country. EK flies to FRA, MUC and DUS and therefore no additional gateways are allowed.
 
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RE: Emirates To Delay Some European Destinations

Thu Apr 21, 2005 10:45 am

No, landing rights for HAM have already been granted and the flight will start as scheduled i.e. October 2005. Geneve operations have only been postponed to 4 weeks.
 
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RE: Emirates To Delay Some European Destinations

Thu Apr 21, 2005 7:57 pm

The Geneva flight has been deferred until further notice as the A330-200 LD confg. aircraft scheduled to operate that route has been re-allocated to operate an additional West African frequency. So as Beaucaire indicated they are re-deploying capacity on higher yielding routes. However, Hamburg (HAM) is going ahead as planned.

EKcrew - i understand GVA has been postponed beyond 4 weeks and likely goes online during 2Q06 once additional capacity arrives.

Effective 1 December 2005, Lagos (LOS) and Accra (ACC) will be de-linked. Both destinations will get dedicated daily flights, all op. by A330-200 LD config. acft.

Looking at the flight timings it wouldnt surprise me if Emirates added an extra sector on the Accra flights. It would likely be Abidjan (Ivory Coast) or Dakar (Senegal). I think its more likely Abidjan.

The Lagos flights are already so full that it is unlikely they add another sector unless they upgrade the aircraft size. Extension of Lagos would likely be to a combination of Abuja and Kano. Of course, Emirates is still awaiting clearance from the Nigerian authorities for these permissions.

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RE: Emirates To Delay Some European Destinations

Thu Apr 21, 2005 8:05 pm

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 2):
That should SOMEWHAT justify their huge order backlog

Yes, I get the picture  Wink


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RE: Emirates To Delay Some European Destinations

Thu Apr 21, 2005 9:59 pm

Exactly Emirates777,
Lagos will have a dedicated flight which will terminate there. Daily
Accra will have a seperate flight which will continue to Abidjan confirmed Daily.
As to Abuja and Kano both will have dedicated flights each Daily. Govt approval is given. Emirates is only negotiating to lower the fees per seat that the nigerian govt asking for...
As to the GVA service EK is rethinking not to fly there atl all.
 
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RE: Emirates To Delay Some European Destinations

Fri Apr 22, 2005 12:24 am

Does this mean finally an end to the rumours about Cardiff, Carlisle, Newcastle, Humberside, and Hinton-In-The-Hedges, or shall we start a rumour that EK are about to swoop on all NW's DC-9 fleet to maintain this massive expansion ??  smirk 

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RE: Emirates To Delay Some European Destinations

Fri Apr 22, 2005 12:26 am

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 8):
Cardiff, Carlisle, Newcastle, Humberside, and Hinton-In-The-Hedges,

It's Walton-on-the-Naze, not Hinton - EK are scheduled to start A380 service Walton-DXB double daily from summer 2006.
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RE: Emirates To Delay Some European Destinations

Fri Apr 22, 2005 1:25 am

I still find it amazing that EK doesn't fly to Amsterdam...
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RE: Emirates To Delay Some European Destinations

Fri Apr 22, 2005 1:26 am

Quoting T154M (Reply 7):
As to Abuja and Kano both will have dedicated flights each Daily. Govt approval is given. Emirates is only negotiating to lower the fees per seat that the nigerian govt asking for...

And what is your source on this? I doubt it ABV and KAN will be operated daily each!!!
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RE: Emirates To Delay Some European Destinations

Fri Apr 22, 2005 2:58 am

EK should consider a route from DXB to Dublin as there are still no nonstops to Ireland from the Middle East, except for the SQ 744F which I think comes in from SIN via Sharjah. Plenty of sixth freedom traffic from Ireland to Far East/Australia too.
 
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RE: Emirates To Delay Some European Destinations

Fri Apr 22, 2005 3:03 am

EurostarVA
Sorry cant tell you my source However its upper Mgt in EK.
 
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RE: Emirates To Delay Some European Destinations

Fri Apr 22, 2005 3:31 am

It was posted in local newspapers few weeks ago about EK future destinations and they include:

Abidjan
Free Town
Antananarivo
Cape Town
Algiers
Tunis
Lusaka
Kinshasa
Dublin
Amsterdam
Copenhagen
Prague
Chicago
Los Angeles
Washington
Houston
Toronto
Vancouver
Boston
San Fransisco
Tokyo
Taipei
Adelaide
Bangalore
 
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RE: Emirates To Delay Some European Destinations

Fri Apr 22, 2005 12:38 pm

In response to reply 14,
Tokyo cannot physically happen. I am sure they have wanted to serve since the late 90s but just can't because of runway slot limitations.
UAE & Japan recently concluded a deal for additional frequencies between each country perhaps they will fly into Nagoya.
 
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RE: Emirates To Delay Some European Destinations

Fri Apr 22, 2005 1:21 pm

I can't wait for them to start flights to AMS, I noticed none of the middleeast airlines and few Asian Airlines flying to AMS , why is that so ? Any idea?
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RE: Emirates To Delay Some European Destinations

Fri Apr 22, 2005 2:40 pm

Quoting 9V-SVC (Reply 16):
I can't wait for them to start flights to AMS, I noticed none of the middleeast airlines and few Asian Airlines flying to AMS , why is that so ? Any idea?

Dutch business and leasure travels are much focussed on the USA ,Asia and the mediterranean counties.Traditionally and historically, Holland was never a "player " in the Middle East or Gulf region in comparision with the UK ( clearly Gulf influence ),France ( Lebanon,Egypt ) or Germany ( strong ties with Turkey ). The dutch have always been a trader's nation but the strong areas of interests have been in Indonesia ,the Caraïbes and South Africa.
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RE: Emirates To Delay Some European Destinations

Sat Apr 23, 2005 12:25 am

Any word on GLA going double daily anyone ?

We are getting the 773 in October this year.

Hopefully EK will be double daily come October 2006.

Cheers

Gusty
 
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RE: Emirates To Delay Some European Destinations

Sun Apr 24, 2005 1:35 am

Just to add to this, this came in a couple of days back and clearly says that the service now stands cancelled.
HAM is definitely happening. Airport staff are currently being recruited.

CANCELLATION OF SERVICES TO GENEVA<
-------------------------------------<
GVA OPERATIONS WILL NOT COMMENCE EFFECTIVE 01DEC05. HENCE THE<
DAILY EK085/086 DXB-GVA-DXB SERVICE EFFECTIVE 01DEC05 STANDS<
CANCELLED.
 
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RE: Emirates To Delay Some European Destinations

Sun Apr 24, 2005 2:54 am

Quoting T154M (Reply 14):

Chicago
Los Angeles
Washington
Houston
Toronto
Vancouver
Boston
San Fransisco

Eight additional North American gateways is very ambitious indeed. Are they anticipating tourist traffic to Dubai from North America. What's the timeframe? Would these all be nonstops to DXB or with intermediate stops elsewhere?
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RE: Emirates To Delay Some European Destinations

Sun Apr 24, 2005 3:39 am

Quoting GustyOrange (Reply 18):
Any word on GLA going double daily anyone ?

We are getting the 773 in October this year.

Hopefully EK will be double daily come October 2006.

Cheers

Gusty

http://business.scotsman.com/transport.cfm?id=413652005

Seems they might well choose EDI over 2x daily GLA initially. Which would make sense these days inkeeping with what CO and CSA have done.
 
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RE: Emirates To Delay Some European Destinations

Sun Apr 24, 2005 4:02 am

Very interesting to see that Chicago is in the list. I'm assuming if they do fly to Chicago they will use an A340-500. Let's see when this will happen.
 
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RE: Emirates To Delay Some European Destinations

Sun Apr 24, 2005 9:07 am

It all depends on what aircraft they get. Presumably they are scrambling around madly, trying to look for suitable aircraft. There was a rumour, some time back, that they were looking at four ex-LH A340s. The problem is, of course, that there is a serious lack of medium/long haul widebodies right now.

Maybe one determining factor might be how the proposed destinations might help EK in this regard. How, I'm not quite sure, but maybe in the case of DUB, the Irish govt could help co-ordinate some financial package for EK, dependant on their flying to DUB by next Summer.
 
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RE: Emirates To Delay Some European Destinations

Sun Apr 24, 2005 8:35 pm

Quoting T154M (Reply 14):
It was posted in local newspapers few weeks ago about EK future destinations and they include:

Abidjan
Free Town
Antananarivo
Cape Town
Algiers
Tunis
Lusaka
Kinshasa
Dublin
Amsterdam
Copenhagen
Prague
Chicago
Los Angeles
Washington
Houston
Toronto
Vancouver
Boston
San Fransisco
Tokyo
Taipei
Adelaide
Bangalore

This is looking more like your wish list than the actual cities EK is planing to serve in the next years. You haven't mentioned the name of your source yet so it is not reliable.

Boston
Cape Town
Antananarivo
Washington

hum..... hard to believe....!!!

Rgs,

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RE: Emirates To Delay Some European Destinations

Sun Apr 24, 2005 9:08 pm

@ 9V-SVC:

RJ, IR, RB and LY are flying from their home countries in the middle east to AMS.
 
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RE: Emirates To Delay Some European Destinations

Mon Apr 25, 2005 12:10 am

Quoting A319114 (Reply 10):
still find it amazing that EK doesn't fly to Amsterdam...

amen to that, and I can't figure out why on earth they fly to Dusseldorf?
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RE: Emirates To Delay Some European Destinations

Mon Apr 25, 2005 12:36 am

Dusseldorf does seem like an odd choice, especially ahead of a major gateway like Amsterdam. But I was at DUS last November and saw the Emirates flight deplaning - it was FULL of passengers. The Ruhr River valley has a lot of Arab/Muslim guest workers and asylum seekers - the EK flight is one of the few nonstop links to that region (I believe Mahan Air also serves DUS.)

Regarding the "wish list" of destinations... if anyone can make all those flights work, it's Emirates. Chicago's not far off-base - we already get service from El Al, Royal Jordanian, Kuwait Airways and PIA. We can definitely support a nonstop or one-stop to Dubai.
 
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RE: Emirates To Delay Some European Destinations

Mon Apr 25, 2005 1:33 am

Quoting Neo (Reply 24):
Boston
Cape Town
Antananarivo
Washington

CPT and IAD are not hard to believe at all...infact EK has gone on record as saying that if they werent limited to 14 weekly flights to South Africa which is used up for double daily JNB flights then they would have definitely gone daily already by now to CPT.

IAD is also on the drawing board and will start in the future but probably after ORD and LAX/SFO begin...BOS isnt being considered one bit.

In USA its LAX-SFO-JFK-EWR-ORD-IAD-IAH and in Canada its YVR-YYZ.
 
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RE: Emirates To Delay Some European Destinations

Mon Apr 25, 2005 2:17 am

Al Khaleej Local News Paper few weeks ago.
By the way this wish list as you call it stretch from 2006-2012
 
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RE: Emirates To Delay Some European Destinations

Mon Apr 25, 2005 2:34 am

Quoting A340-Fan (Reply 25):
RJ, IR, RB and LY are flying from their home countries in the middle east to AMS.

Also Egyptair from CAI.

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RE: Emirates To Delay Some European Destinations

Mon Apr 25, 2005 5:51 am

DUS is an extremely busy route for EK with flights being almost 100% full year round. As of March 2006 DUS will be going double daily. The morning flight will be operated with a B777-300 and the afternoon flight will be an A330.
DUS is located in Nordrhein Westfalen, which to my knowledge is the most high density populated area in Germany.
 
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RE: Emirates To Delay Some European Destinations

Mon Apr 25, 2005 6:02 am

Quoting A319114 (Reply 10):
I still find it amazing that EK doesn't fly to Amsterdam...

Well, we do have their cargo-flights at AMS... As stated above, Emirates will definitely bring pax-services to AMS in the near future.

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RE: Emirates To Delay Some European Destinations

Mon Apr 25, 2005 6:05 pm

The catchment area of DUS is the second largest in Europe after London. Around 10 mio people can be at DUS airport within an hour�s drive. The question would have to be asked the other way around, why are there just so few intercontinental flights ?
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RE: Emirates To Delay Some European Destinations

Mon Apr 25, 2005 8:15 pm

Quoting Jsnww81 (Reply 27):
Dusseldorf does seem like an odd choice, especially ahead of a major gateway like Amsterdam. But I was at DUS last November and saw the Emirates flight deplaning - it was FULL of passengers.

We are selling DUS-DXB flights quite a lot here in Belgium too, EK have quite attractive fares ex-DUS, compared to ex-BRU on interline carries to FRA or LHR and connecting to DXB...

DUS is like 200 km from Belgium and is considered an alternative to AMS

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